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    Who are the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj?

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    First, in the Qur'an, Yajuj and Majuj are mentioned in the story of the Righteous King Dhul-Qarnain:

    83. They will ask thee of Dhul-Qarneyn. Say: I shall recite unto you a remembrance of him.
    84. Lo! We made him strong in the land and gave unto every thing a road.
    85. And he followed a road
    86. Till, when he reached the apparent setting place of the sun, it appeared to [Dhul-Qarneyn] to be setting in a muddy spring, he found a people thereabout: We said: O Dhul-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
    87. He said: As for him who doeth wrong, we shall punish him, and then he will be brought back unto, his Lord, who will punish him with awful punishment!
    88. But as for him who believeth and doeth right, good will be his reward, and We shall speak unto him a mild command.
    89. Then he followed a road
    90. Till, when he reached the apparent rising place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no helper therefrom.
    91. So (it was). And We knew all concerning him.
    92. Then he followed a road
    93. Till, when he came between the two mountains, he found upon their hither side a folk that scarce could understand a saying.
    94. They said: O Dhul-Qarneyn! Lo! Gog and Magog are spoiling the land. So may we pay thee tribute on condition that thou set a barrier between us and them?
    95. He said: That wherein my Lord hath established me better (than your tribute). Do but help me with strength (of men), I will set between you and them a bank.
    96. Give me pieces of iron till, when he had levelled up (the gap) between the cliffs, he said: Blow! till, when he had made it a fire, he said: Bring me molten copper to pour thereon.
    97. And (Gog and Magog) were not able to surmount, nor could they pierce (it).
    98. He said: This is a mercy from my Lord; but when the promise of my Lord cometh to pass, He will lay it low, for the promise of my Lord is true.
    99. And on that day We shall let some of them surge against others, and the Trumpet will be blown. Then We shall gather them together in one gathering.


    There are many ahadith about Yajuj and Majuj, a massive monstrous population, and they say that towards the day of judgement, they shall break theis wall and escape and rampage upon the earth killing all in their path.

    Many people enjoy declaring different groups as Yajuj and Majuj, but their thesis is illogical because these groups have not emerged yet.
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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    http://www.inter-islam.org/faith/Majorsigns.html#ma'juj
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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)



    hmm.... we dont really know where they could be .. so i just voted for " Impossible to know" Allahu Alam ..
    * Wonders whats behind the great wall of china*

    Who are the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj?

    The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)."

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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

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    America and Isreal.
    I thought you might say that. But why? What facts? Can you prove it?

    It appears to me that you are just speaking from your whims. Because the Qur'anic information along with the ahadith demonstrate that it is impossible for it to be america and Israel, for the following reasons:

    1. Neither America, nor Israel existed at the time of Dhul Qarnayn, yetYajuj and Majuj are only mentioned in the story of Dhul Qarnayn

    2. Geographically, America is isolated from Dhul Qarnayn's kingdom and is very far from Israel as well. How could they be coming through the mountains to attack those people?

    3. Yajuj and Majuj are isolated and will only come out at the end of time, while america and Israel are open and free.

    4. Yajuj and Majuj were tribes at the time of Prophet Ibrahim and Dhul Qarnayn. Bani Israel are the descendents of Prophet Yaqub, son of Prophet Ishaaq, son of Prophet Ibrahim. How can the descendents predate their ancestor?

    There are many opther points as well, but I'll just leave you with those for now. They are sufficient to reufte the view that America and Israel are Yajuj and Majuj.

    Indeed they are not.

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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    In my opinion, they could be somewhere in the Himalayan ranges.

    Anyway, here is interesting story which might be related to Yajuj Majuj.

    Nellis Kua is too old to remember his exact age, but his eyes light up when he talks of the gang of hobbit-like creatures his grandparents told him once lived in the forest on the slopes of this still smoking Indonesian volcano.

    "They had these big eyes, hair all over their body and spoke in a strange language," said Kua, his skin leathered by a lifetime tending coffee and chili pepper crops under the harsh tropical sun.

    "They stole our crops, our fruit and moonshine. They were so greedy they even ate the plates!"

    Kua and other elders said the creatures, known locally as the Ebu Gogo or the Grandmother who eats everything, were last seen on the central Indonesian island of Flores around 300 years ago.

    The story had previously been dismissed as a legend - along with other tales of "little people" living in isolated rainforests that are common elsewhere in Indonesia and Southeast Asia.

    But a stunning archaeological find deep in a limestone cave on Flores has meant skeptics are having to take the tales more seriously.

    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=25262
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    Who are the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj?

    It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).


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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    That's about Homo Florensesis. They are geographically far from where I imagined Yajuj and Majuj, but you have a point that these tribes may be known in local cultures.

    Good point.

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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    They are geographically far from where I imagined Yajuj and Majuj.
    Yep thats why I didn't say they were the Yajuj and Majuj, but it is possible that before Zulqurnain sealed the main land of Yajuj and Majuj, a band of them might have moved to other areas.

    Indonesia is not really that far away from the locations that are identified for Yajuj and Majuj.
    Who are the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj?

    It is not Al-Birr (piety, righteousness, and obedience to Allâh, etc.) that you turn your faces towards east and (or) west (in prayers); but Al-Birr is (the quality of) the one who believes in Allâh, the Last Day, the Angels, the Book, the Prophets and gives his wealth, in spite of love for it, to the kinsfolk, to the orphans, and to Al-Masâkîn (the poor), and to the wayfarer, and to those who ask, and to set slaves free, performs As-Salât, and gives the Zakât, and keep their word whenever they make a promise, and who are patient in extreme poverty and ailment (disease) and at the time of persecution, hardship, and war. Such are the people of the truth and they are Al-Muttaqûn (the pious).


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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    Yes, that's an interesting theory.

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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    Impossible to know, we shall see them when Moshiach comes and they attack the true Israel.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gog

    "Son of man, set your face toward Gog, [toward] the land of Magog, the prince, the head of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy concerning him." Ezekiel 38
    Who are the Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj?

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    لا إله إلا الله
    أمّة إسرائيل حيّه
    هذا أرضي و بلدي

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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    It will be interesting to get a little interfaith perspective on this.

    Who is Moshiach, SpaceFalcon?
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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    Moshiach, aka the Jewish Messiah, is a living human who will restore the true Israel, bring all the Jews to the land of Israel, reestablish the sanhedrin, rebuild the Holy temple (enabling us to fulfill all 613 laws of torah once again), ressurect the dead of Israel, and cause the world to recognize the God of Israel.

    It is a pillar of faith for Jews (we have 13 fundamental beliefs as said by Rabbi Moses ben Maimon Zt"l) that we believe in the coming of the Moshaich and what he will do.

    In the end of days, once the true Israel is created and Moshiach is king, Gog and Magog will wage war with Israel and try to destroy the true Israel (and all the Jews). After a very firce and violent battle with many losses, HaShem will save the Jews of Israel and destroy all evil in the world; Leviathan and Behemoth will appear and have a battle in which they both die, and people will sacrifice their bodies to HaShem. This will hapen by the Jewish year 6000.

    Finally, once all that is through with, in the year 6000 it is guestimated, the seventh millennium will begin as an era of holiness, tranquility, spiritual life, and worldwide peace, called Olam Haba, where all people will know God directly.

    The Jewish year 6000 begins 9/30/2239 7pm

    Interesting, no?
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    سلام
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    لا إله إلا الله
    أمّة إسرائيل حيّه
    هذا أرضي و بلدي

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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    Very interesting. In fact, it is parallel to the belief in Imaam Mehdi for the Muslims. The muslims expect Imaam Mehdi to come and unite them and lead them against the Dajjal and his forces.
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    Talking Salaam! About "gog And Magoog"!!!

    Many scholars say that "Gog and Magog" refers to future battle of muslims against all other nations. But I will prove that it is already fullfilled prophecy:

    About Alexsander the Great and "Gog and Magog":

    83. They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnain [or Dhul-qarnain]. Say, 'I will rehearse to you something of his story.'
    84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
    85. One (such) way he followed,
    86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: 'O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.'
    87. He said: 'Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before).
    88. But whoever believes, and works righteousness,- he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as We order it by our Command.'
    89. Then followed he (another) way,
    90. Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun.
    91. (He left them) as they were: We completely understood what was before him.
    92. Then followed he (another) way,
    93. Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains, he found, beneath them, a people who scarcely understood a word.
    94. They said: 'O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?'
    95. He said: '(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:
    96. Bring me blocks of iron.' At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, He said, 'Blow (with your bellows)' Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: 'Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead.'
    97. Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.
    98. He said: 'This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true.'

    18:86 Is not description to take literally (as Koran has those in other places too), as sun can not even in anyone´s wildest dreams go from place were there is no hole in the ground (as all water in lake would go from it), and it is not said to pounch back to east from west. According to Islam, hadiths, sun goes from west to east only on Judgement Day, and it is sign from that Day (what even may have began, as sun goest from west to east in northest part of the world in summer time at night, and there is even muslims now to prove it eventhough there is no muslim-state in north, that is why signs are given so that as muslims realize those, it is sign. Another way to see this sign is connected to part of Koran that says about two west and two east, Islam and muslims have reached also Hawaiji and sun there rises from western coast of America and will set on eastern coast of China).

    To the west of the town of Lychnis is a lake 170 square miles in area, fed by underground springs that issue through limestone rocks and give out murky water. Both town and lake are now called Ochrida, about 50 miles west of Monastir. The water is so dark that the river which forms the outlet of the lake to the north is called the Black Drin. Looking at the sunset from the town, the observer would see the sun set a pool of murky water (18:86). It was a question before the boy Alexander -- the dreamy, impulsive, fearless rider -- whether he would put the barbarous Illyricans to the sword or show them mercy. He showed true discrimination and statesmanship. He punished the guilty but showed kindness to the innocent, and thus consolidated his power in the west. This I construe to be the meaning of (Noble Verses) 18:86-87; otherwise these verses do not seem to be perfectly clear.

    (17)

    18:90 Mentions people who Allah had not "offered protection from the sun", meaning people of Central-Asia where they live on plains and desert, where Alexsander visited Bukhara and Samarkand. He did not went to conquest Central-Asia, but "left them as they were".
    Then he arrived area 230 kilometers south-east from Bukhara, where he build Iron Gate to protect people who did not speak his language (turkish) as protection against "Gog and Magog"-people (mongols). As Allah had promised, this gate was later destroyed in this narrow canyon. Yet on 7th century chinese traveller and 985-986 arabian traveller reported and wrote about this gate made of iron blocks.
    Another but less propably possibility could be Tiemen Pass (also called Iron Pass or Iron Gate Pass), only 8 kilometers north of Korla, lies at the mouth of a 14 kilometer (9 mile) long valley. It was of strategic importance in history in ancient China and islisted as one of the 26 famous Passes. Tiemen was at the throat of the Silk Road and the traffic junction between northern Xinjiang and southern Xinjiang. Nearby, there are still traces of an ancient barracks and military activities. Four Chinese characters are inscribed on the cliff beside the pass. The characters describe the steepness and precipitousness of the pass. But this is maybe only in case that there really has been (destroyed) iron gate and that Alexander visited so north in plains of Xinjiang or if Zul-qarnain is not Alexander the Great.

    21:96-97 "Until the Gog and Magog (people) are let through (their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every hill. Then will the true promise draw nigh (of fulfilment): then behold! the eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror: "Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay, we truly did wrong!"
    Section 21:96-97 is from my wiew of point telling "Gogin ja Magogin" nations (as described in 18:93-96, mongols) new destructive wave of attack, it does not descrbe future but is already happened prophecy from 1200- and 1300-centuries about everything destroying, killing all (muslims) in the way from east to west coming mongol invasion. All cities (including Bagdad) were destroyed completely, and from their (muslim) inhabitants skulls were made towers and hills. This wave reached from Himalaja-mountains trough Centre-Asia, Afghanistan an Iran´s "all hills" (that area has A LOT because of differences in altitude) reaching all the way to Damascos (were before they were finally stopped) destroying Bagdad on the way, destroying completely Caliphate, symbol of muslim prosperity and unity, even getting many (non-muslims mostly) to believe that end of Islam is at hands. Mongols attacked also over hills of Ural (to muslim-areas of Volga, who accepted Islam at 10th century), untill they finally after advancing long inside modern Russia- and Ukraine- areas accepted Islam as Koran informed and predicted mukaisesti Islamiin. Just like Koran said ("Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay, we truly did wrong!"), they were terrified and on horror about destruction they had made (to Islam, its another wing in form of bird/angel were severely injured back then), and they spend long time and big efforts in trying to repair damage they had done, with for example prospering arts and other kind of cultural activities of Timurid-Empire.

    "...The name (i.e., Gog and Magog) stands for wild and lawless tribes who will break their barriers and swarm through the earth. This will be one of the prognostications of the approaching Judgement."
    Muhammed said that mongols will come again (after times of Aleksander), and that they will "swarm through the earth" as waves, as they did conquering most of biggest continent in th earth, Asia (even China was conquered). Remember that "approaching Judgement" is not far away for Allah even in hundreds or thousands of years, christians waited Jesus to come back in their life-time.

    "Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: "The Prophet said 'The people will continue performing the Hajj and 'Umra to the Ka'ba even after the appearance of Gog and Magog.' Narrated Shu'ba extra: The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established till the Hajj (pilgrimage to the Mecca) is abandoned. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Pilgrimage (Hajj), Volume 2, Book 26, Number 663)"
    Mongols did not advance to Mecca, that is why pilgrimages continued normally, in east people had even more reasons to get there from way of mongols.

    "Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: "The Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people wearing shoes of hair and the Last Hour would not come until you fight with a people having small eyes and broad snub noses. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book Pertaining to the Turmoil and Portents of the Last Hour (Kitab Al-Fitan wa Ashrat As-Sa`ah), Book 041, Number 6958)"
    Beginning of this prophecy has at least finally now come true, as soldiers "wearing shoes of hair" are now in Irak, meaning shoe-lazes of their army boots (also mongols had lot of hair in their boots). This does not mean that war should be continued or spread, peace should be made when offered as Islam requested. And it does not mean that "Hour" (Different time-section than) is yet any much closer than in times of mongols, just "close".

    "Abu Sa'id reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: "Allah, the High and Glorious, would say: O Adam I and he would say: At Thy service, at thy beck and call, O Lord, and the good is in Thy Hand. Allah would say: Bring forth the group of (the denizens of) Fire. He (Adam) would say: Who are the denizens of Hell? It would be said: They are out of every thousand nine hundred and ninety-nine. He (the Holy Prophet) said: It is at this juncture that every child would become white-haired and every pregnant woman would abort and you would see people in a state of intoxication, and they would not be in fact intoxicated but grievous will be the torment of Allah. He (the narrator) said: This had a very depressing effect upon them (upon the companions of the Holy Prophet) and they said: Messenger of Allah, who amongst us would be (that unfortunate) person (who would be doomed to Hell)? He said: Good tidings for you, Yajuj and Majuj (i.e., Gog and Magog in English) would be those thousands (who would be the denizens of Hell) and a person (selected for Paradise) would be amongst you. He (the narrator) further reported that he (the Messenger of Allah) again said: By Him in Whose Hand is thy life, I hope that you would constitute one-fourth of the inhabitants of Paradise. We extolled Allah and we glorified (Him). He (the Holy Prophet) again said: BY Him in Whose Hand is my life, I wish you would constitute one-third of the inhabitants of Paradise. We extolled Allah and Glorified (Him). He (the Holy Prophet) again said: By Him in Whose Hand is my life, I hope that you would constitute half of the inhabitants of Paradise. Your likeness among the people is the likeness of a white hair on the skin of a black ox or a strip on the foreleg of an ass. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman), Book 001, Number 0430)"
    (18)
    According to this prophecy, only one out of thousand mongol-invaders got to paradise (at least without going to helle first). Every (mongol conquered area) child came "white-haired", because also their skulls were put into these (white) towers/hills to be burned by sun and sand. Pregnancyes of womans were aborted understandably, as they all were killed. People were "in state of intoxication" either from fear or shock (muslim-civilians), or either from hatred and lust for murdering (mongols). Increasingly rising numbers of muslims proportion in paradise means that it is open (in princible, even as determined, but not informed by declaration), hopely high as possible. In any case muslim (ecspesially really so believing) is in this world among of thousands of gods come to earth etc. worshipping religions is as easy to spot like "white hair in black ox".

    "Narrated Thauban: "The Prophet peace be upon him said: 'The nations shall gather and team up against you (i.e., Muslims) as the predators gather and team up against their preys. A questioner asked: 'Is it because of us being low in numbers at that day?' The Prophet replied: 'No, you that day shall be in great numbers, but you will be as powerless as the foam of the water on the surface of the river, and Allah shall remove any fear from your enemies toward you, and He shall put in your hearts a corruption.' A questioner asked: 'O Apostle of Allah, what is the corruption?' The Prophet replied: 'The love of life's amusements and the fear of death.' (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, The Book of Fierce Battles - The Gathering of all Nations against Islam, Book 37, Number 4297)"
    In times of mongol-invasions muslims were suffering in all directions, enemy really came from all directions, "nations together". Half of Asia were attacking muslims from east, indians and mongols (who controlled China also), from west there came enthuastic christian-missionaries to "crusade" towards Jerusalem, Spain was pushing (all ready for centuries in "reconquista") like as in last days towards south, Granada, to get their hands on muslim-maps of America (Granada surrendered on january 1492, Columbus found America in 12th of october 1492), just born in sub-Sahara huge muslim-states of Mali and Songhai were neither so thrilled with southern pagan-states of africans (which were supprisingly strong and big also), Russia started to wake up from mongol-invasion. That means that almost all of Asia and Europe were (as crusades were hobby of whole continent as football now) and half of Africa non-muslim areas (it was not much easier either on African east coast for muslims) were attacking together against muslims, "without fear".

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    Re: SALAAM! ABOUT "GOG AND MAGOOG"!!!

    So are you saying that Dhul Qarnayn is Alexander???

    :confused:

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    Talking Re: SALAAM! ABOUT "GOG AND MAGOOG"!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by TEH
    So are you saying that Dhul Qarnayn is Alexander???

    :confused:
    That is way to fit all, "Murky lake" of Makedonia, "scorching" plains of Central-Asia and former Iron Gate in modern Pakistanian/Afganistanian border.

    Yes maybe he said himself son of Zeus, but prophet Jesus said he was son of jewish God (as according to jewish bible almost all prophets are said to be, it was almost demanded for jewish prophet, even Adam is called that). It was only possible way for them to act, and it was more figure of speech and attached to language and culture/time than how we now understand it (or how christians understood it, more accurate writing about it below).

    Of course Alexander had to act pagan, if he wanted to finish his mission. It was to unite hellenistic and Asian cultures, and that way make road for christianity and Islam to march in.




    Problem really is in interpretations and understanding past times. Old Testament (jewish) Bible is full of "sons of God" (son written with big first letter is Greek invention, as hebrea does not have small or big letters), and so is called almost all prophets in Bible, even Adam (who had not even mother according to Bible).

    Thing is that it is FIGURE OF SPEECH for jews, words describeing someone very important for God (even Jesus himself answered accusations about using word "son of God" that "doesn´t your writings say, they were gods?"). Jews understood that, as according to acts of apostoles jews allowed christians to use synagogues eventhough they knew how Jesus was called, as jews themselves have had prophets who were accepted by many other jews but not by all. Jews never would have let christians to worship Jesus as god in synagogue, so that is proof that early christians thought him only as prophet. But situation changed:

    As Paul had permission from apostoles to teach pagans (Jesus himself said in evangeliums that "I have not been sent but for lost sheeps of house of Israel", and misson-order meant 13 "nations" of Israel), and had permission not to "bother" them by Taurah or law, most pagan-christians did not understand correctly "son of God"-term. After jewish christianity was almost totally wiped out by romans in destruction of Jerusalem, pagan-christians did came as dominant sect of christianity and modern churches are based on their beliefs.

    As you see, christians can be accepting Islam through Bible, even if they tought that it is corrupted, if given good and accurate enough explanations and descriptions. In this case of beginning of my writing, proofs against Paul as evil who messed christianity is important.

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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)



    What do you mean by "sub human subterranean species? :confused:

    I voted for "impossible to know"

    However, as brother Chuck said, they may be somewhere in himalayas, as that is quite a vast mountain range.

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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)


    This topic rocks and it scares the daylights outa me.

    I think if they (yajuj and Majuj) are here on earth at the mo, then probly in great wall of china - I mean there has to be SOMETHING in there. Although i don't know if that was built at the time of Dhul Qarnayn. If it wasn't, then hmm, maybe himalayas?
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    No they arent in teh great wall becuase i saw a documentry about it in class, and the only thing that is in there is the bodies of those who died when creating that wall. That wall was created i believe to keep the Huns from conquering China. As people were building it, many died due to exhaustion etc, and they were thrown into the wall and are part of the wall.

    Also, i mean, you can see both sides of the wall clearly, there is nothing there.
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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    interesting topic here
    i dont think its possible to really find out the exact location of the tribes
    and im pretty certain that its not inside the great wall of china
    i read about chinese history and the purpose for the great wall being created was to avoid the opposition forces from entering china
    that is wht i remember from history class
    and as brother Ahmed mentioned, ppl who died working in the walls werent given burials
    their corpse was placed in the wall so they made up a part of the wall

    okay bak to topic

    ...
    i suspect that the tribes are somewhere hidden on earth...somewhere the media doesnt reach....some place where there are no donut shops......some place where english isnt the core language....
    wow its scary if u ask me
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    Re: Location of Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog)

    as salam alikum,

    i rekon they're underground somewhere. From discriptions ive heard in talks and read in books, ive always imagined them to be underground...........

    Because in my minds eye i can sort of imagine them digging and then they create a hole, which allows some sunlight in. Then they go to sleep with out saying inshallah in succeeding to escape and the hole is closed up.....


    subhanallah allah knows best. Allah knows where they are and when they will emerge and if any of us live to this time, may allah save us from their fitna. ameen

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