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I have always been curious to why its called arabic and islamic sciense.
First of all, its mostly persians that are the inventors, Razi, Algebra, et c i would say 80% where persians. Then we have atheists and oer religions, Razi was an atheist.

So how can these be arabic or islamic sciense? I dont belive you can give religion or nations the claim of sciense, cause its an internationall thing. Not a religous or national.
 
sciense, its evereything, from medecine, to physics, its knowledge that can be proven wrong and is always expanding. scientist are people that bring in new things to the world
 
oh seen, "science" why didn't you say, wait 'till sir.Zubair comes on... 'And i thought i was bad...'

tk m8y
 
^^^ very helpful sis lol.

Well Sinbad, whilst the world was in the early stages of discovering science, muslims made A LOT of progress inventing/discovering a vast amount of knowledge which is accepted today.
 
Woopsy i do apologise bro,

yeah what the clever sis said, and erm just open the Qur'an and read inshaAllah (God willing)
 
Here are a few verses from the Quran that are science related:

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YUSUFALI: Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) for a term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs in detail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.

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YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

^^^ I love this ayah. It is a perfect example of the many miracles in the Quran!

Any more you want me find?
 
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YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

^^^ I love this ayah. It is a perfect example of the many miracles in the Quran!

Any more you want me find?


Well that is more common sence, thats not sciense, you know t was that way cause people didnt get pregnant before sex, and you knew the prosses by studying it. The ancient babylonians knew how to operate an eye. The egyptians knew how to bring out the brain. Islam didnt add that in. Then we got the thing that the earth is round and the sun is in the center of the solar system, evereyone already knew that. You studied the stars, it was only that the catholic churchs took it away in europe. The romans and greeks knew that to.
 
Back to topic, why call it arab inventions when most where not even arabs. Why call it islamic inventions when al razi the creator of modern medecine was an atheist et c?

Why mixing sciense with religion?
 
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YUSUFALI: Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

^^^ I love this ayah. It is a perfect example of the many miracles in the Quran!

Any more you want me find?


Well that is more common sence, thats not sciense, you know t was that way cause people didnt get pregnant before sex, and you knew the prosses by studying it. The ancient babylonians knew how to operate an eye. The egyptians knew how to bring out the brain. Islam didnt add that in. Then we got the thing that the earth is round and the sun is in the center of the solar system, evereyone already knew that. You studied the stars, it was only that the catholic churchs took it away in europe. The romans and greeks knew that to.


I can't help but add that the prophet s.a.w was ILLITERATE and in the middle of a desert. how did he know about the foetus? in the 1600s?
 
Cause someone had "the talk" with him? Maybe he knew better than the stork comming with babies?

Can i ask whats up with your avatar? Dosent muslims hate dogs?
 
Cause someone had "the talk" with him? Maybe he knew better than the stork comming with babies?

Now your just being silly.

Can i ask whats up with your avatar? Dosent muslims hate dogs?

Now who is changing the subject? Anyway I'll humour you: a dog is a creation of Allah. Just like you are. And I don't have the dog living in my house (which keeps the angels away), so what is your point exactly?
 
This again.... I have pages upon pages on Islamic science that was even stolen by the likes of Copernicus though he didn't plagiarize correctly from Muslim scientests... the latest lecture was given by Dr. George Saliba of Columbia University... He isn't even Muslim to take such interests...

I think you should all buy his book -- but here is another guy who took some excerpts from his book
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ISLAMIC SCIENCE


Author: Ilias Fernini

Preface of the Book

The rewriting of the history of Islamic science is now receiving large attention both from Muslim and non-Muslim scientists after a lack of interest that lasted almost a century after the fall of the Islamic empire. It is indeed quite inconceivable to know little about scholars who, during more than ten centuries, wrote in all branches of science, at a time when the whole of the Western world was in its deep darkness.

It is often well emphasized that Muslims received inherited Greek knowledge with great consideration. What is less known, however, is that they did not not restrict themselves to saving it and then passing it intact to future generations, they in fact enlarged and enriched it with new and original ideas. It can be said, without any doubt, that the whole of Greek learning was completely rethought by the Muslims and that without this renovation, the Western renaissance could not have come about.

In our present time, it is very astonishing to note that the Islamic contribution to civilization is often undermined by the West despite the fact that in several cases, medieval Western scholars diligently imitated, copied and plagiarized the works of Muslim scientists. In 1979, a historian of the Frankfurt University won the First King Faisal Foundation Prize for Islamic scholarship; his work showed that in the 12th century, a decree was issued in Seville, forbidding the sale of scientific writings to Christians because the latter translated the writings and simply published them under another name. The research work of this historian has taken him 30 years of his life and required a survey of more than 1.5 million Arabic manuscripts.

In another example, it has been shown at an international symposium on the subject " East and West in the Middle Ages" held in 1969, that in the third book of Copernicus' On the Revolution of the Heavenly spheres," in the chapter (iv) " How the reciprocal movement of libration is composed of circular movements," the basic lemma was taken from the work of the famous Persian mathematician, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi.



The achievements of Muslim scientists in astronomy, physics, biology, medicine, chemistry, and mathematics are poorly known. Many of the known achievements are attributed to Western scientists. For example, the discovery and the whole concept of planetary motion is attributed to Kepler and Copernicus while not crediting the contribution of Ibn Al-Shatir, the Damascene astronomer (1304-1375 A.D) who, among his works, wrote a major book entitled " Kitab Nihayat al-Sul fi Tashih al-Usul" ( A Final Inquiry Concerning the Rectification of Planetary Theory) on a theory which departs largely from the Ptolemaic system known at that time. In his book " Ibn al-Shatir, an Arab astronomer of the fourteenth century, E.S.Kennedy wrote " what is of most interest, however, is that Ibn al-Shatir's lunar theory, except for trivial differences in parameters, is identical with that of Copernicus (1473-1543 A.D)." The discovery that the models of Ibn al-Shatir are mathematically identical to those of Copernicus raised the very interesting question of a possible transmission of these models to Europe.

A scholar such as Nasir al-Din al-Tusi (1201-1274 A.D) should also be mentioned when discussing the planetary models of Copernicus. Al-Tusi's best known works in astronomy are the " Ilkhani Tables" and the Tadhkirah". The latter is the most thorough criticism of Ptolemaic astronomy and presents the only new mathematical model of planetary motion to appear in Medieval times. Kennedy wrote a note about al-Tusi's planetary model saying : al-Tusi seems to have been the first to notice that if one circle rolls around inside the circumference of another, the second circle having twice the radius of the first, then any point on the periphery of the first circle describes a diameter of the second. This rolling device can also be regarded as a linkage of two equal and constant length vectors rotating at constant speed (one twice as fast as the other) . This has been the Tusi-couple. Nasir al-Din, by properly placing such a couple at the end of a vector emanating from the Ptolemaic equant center caused the vector to periodically expand and contract. The period of its expansion being equal to that of the epicycle's rotation about the Earth, the end-point of the couple carries the epicycle center with it and traces out a deferent which fulfills all the conditions imposed upon it by Ptolemy's observations. At the same time, the whole assemblage is a combination of uniform circular motions, hence unobjectionable, and it preserves the equant property, also demanded by the phenomenon itself." This planetary model most likely influenced Copernicus through Byzantine intermediaries and, with the work of al-Tusi's followers, contains all the novelty of Copernicus's astronomy except the heliocentric hypothesis.

Al-Battani, another Muslim astronomer, is to be credited for the discovery of the movement of the sun's apogee, the evaluation with great precision of the ecliptic's obliquity, and its progressive diminution. Contrary to Ptolemy, al-Battani proved the variation of the apparent angular diameter of the sun, and the possibility of annular solar eclipses. The indebtedness of Copernicus to al-Battani is well known. He quotes him fairly often especially in matters dealing with the problems of solar motion and of precession. The Baghdad School noted the irregularity of the Moon's highest altitude and discovered a third lunar inequality, known by the name of lunar variation. This was discovered by Abu'l Wafa (a crater on the Moon is named after him) and is wrongly attributed to the Danish scholar, Tycho Brahe, who lived six centuries after Abu'l Wafa. The introduction to spherical astronomy was with al-Battani. He was the first to use in his works the expression sine" and " cosine" The introduction to trigonometry of these concepts proved to be of capital importance. This was credited to Regimontanus who lived five centuries after al-Battani. Another Muslim astronomer, al-Bitruji, considered Ptolemy's system to be mathematically not physical regarding the order of the spheres of the inferior planets. Finally, we should also mention al-Mahani (b.860 A.D) who was able to predict three lunar eclipses within an half hour's accuracy.

These are only a few examples of the achievements astronomy. Other examples exist in other fields as well. It is an important task now to reconsider this tremendous heritage, since Islamic science has not yet gained its rightful place. The scientific achievements of Muslim scholars in medieval time have yet to be fully recognized and duly appreciated in the West.

It will be very unjust from our part to state that the history of Islamic science has been completely neglected. Scholars like H. Suter, C. Brockelmann, H.P.J. Renaud, M. Krause, G. Sarton, J. Sedillot, F. Woepcke, C.A. Nallino, 0. Neugebauer, E.S. Kennedy, A.P. Youschkevitch, B.A. Rosenfeld, 0. Gingerich, D.A. King, A. Sayili, and many others have contributed a lot to our present knowledge of Muslim scholars of medieval times. Original manuscripts have been translated and analyzed after careful identifications by Muslim and non-Muslim historians. Many libraries and museums over all the world hold thousands of these manuscripts still awaiting detailed studies necessary to grasp the full importance of Islamic science. The task can be difficult for the historian of science since many of the works do not exist in their original Arabic forms. Some Latin translations are just pure literary translations without any regards to the scientific contents. This has brought about some scientific inconsistencies with what is known from different other sources putting in doubt the contribution of some important Muslim scholars.

When still a graduate student, I was attracted by the history of science in medieval Islam because I felt that some injustice is being done to al-Biruni, al-Khwarizmi, Ibn al-Haytham, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, al-Tabari, al-Farghani Ibn al-Shatir, al-Kashi, and so many others regarding their contribution to our present knowledge of science. It is difficult to realize the place of Islamic science since the available sources are so widely spread and the information so widely different. When I started my research, I felt the need to have a document with all the answers to my questions, but I could not find one. Many important works exist on the contributions of Muslim scholars, but most of them are either outdated or in a language that cannot help the reader to grasp the full importance of these scholars. This is where this new bibliography falls in. It should first be noted that this book is mainly a bibliographical research. Most of the information exists elsewhere and has been reported here with full credit. The main purpose of this work is to have a handy document for easy reference, while the sophisticated reader is urged to refer to the main original article or to the tremendous secondary references for a deep study. In all cases, this first edition is a tentative approach to the history of Islamic science and the list of scholars reported is by no means complete.

I hope that you will enjoy reading this bibliography as much as I enjoyed writing it. I will be glad to hear from the readers, and I invite you to send me your reactions to the book and suggestions for how I can improve future editions. You can send your comments to the address given in my homepage
 
WHY ARE YOU IGNORING MY QUESTONS!

ALL THESE ISLAMIC ACHIEVMENTS WHERE MADE BY PERSIANS! SOME NOT EVEN MUSLIMS

Nasir al-Din Muhammad ibn Muhammad ibn Hasan al-Tusi (Persian: خواجه نصیر طوسی‎ (1201–1274) was a Persian of Shi'a Twelver Islamic belief, born in Tus, Khorasan, Iran. He is known as a philosopher, mathematician, astronomer, theologian, physician, and a prolific writer, i.e., he was a polymath.
K. N. Toosi University of Technology in Iran is named after him.
 
great articles
Muslims sure did invent so many things masha'Allah
 
great articles
Muslims sure did invent so many things masha'Allah

DEAR AKULION THE GREAT ARABIC ISLAMIC AL RAZI

Asked if a philosopher can follow a prophetically revealed religion, al-Razi frankly replies:
How can anyone think philosophically while listening to old wives' tales founded on contradictions, which obdurate ignorance, and dogmatism?
Gentility of character, friendliness and purity of mind, are found in those who are capable of thinking profoundly on abstruse matters and scientific minutiae.
Man should hasten to protect himself from love before succumbing to it and cleanse his soul from it when he falls.

AL RAZI AND OTHER ARABIC ISLAMIC SCIENTIST KEEP EXPRESSING THEIR HATE TOWARDS ISLAM. Im beginnign to become a muslim myself, i begin to doubt zoroaster.

BUT STILL THESE ISLAMIC SCIENTIST HATED ISLAM! How can you say muslim contributtion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Razi#Quotes_from_Rhazes
 
"Al"l? I'd have to beg to differ besides that-- what difference does it make where from? if they were Muslim? There is no Nationalism in Islam!
 
I know but still, there are some pan-arabist saying arabic invenstion even if theyre mostly persian. Then we have islamic inventions, but they are many non muslims.

There are no christian invenstions, galilleo galillei would probably laugh at religion just like al razi if he could. No religion can claim sciense, and sadly many muslims say islamic contributions.
 

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