Moving to Saudi

format_quote Originally Posted by Jawharah

There's no catch to them paying for everything and granting free education. There are a few students on here from Madeenah University, and they're even fortunate enough to go for Umrah every now and then mashaAllah. I'm not sure if Umrah applies to Imaam Muhammad universities as well, but I think it may. I believe they do have some requirements regarding grades, but they're pretty liberal. I've heard of brothers getting accepted to Madeenah University having had Bs and Cs on their transcripts. Umm al Qura is a lil more harder and their standards are a bit higher, so if your grades are mostly A's and B's you'd have a better chance. Make sure you fill out everything required from you for the application and send in every single thing. If one thing is missing, the application is tossed out. You also do need two recommendations, so definitely ask the brother in Makkah for one.

If you can actually go for Umrah and apply in person, that would be better and increases your chances of getting in inshaAllah. And you'll get to take a tour of the university as well and ask them all your questions. The latest you can apply for the 2009-2010 year is this coming Hajj, and the acceptance letter is sent around May or June. Any application after Hajj is considered for the next year, 2010-2011.

Ultimately, being accepted there is the will of Allah. So make lots of sincere dua, especially since it is such a huge honor to study in a university in His beloved city. May Allah grant you admitance to Umm al Qura, and may He make your knowledge a source of benefit to the ummah, and may He let you be amonst those who are blessed to stay in Makkah and treat it with the respect it deserves. Ameen. <3

And all that I have said is what I have heard, and if anybody see's an error please correct me. Jazakallah khair.

Thanks so much!!!!!

Ameen to the Duas....Insh ALLAH ill be making alot more Duas soon,especially in Ramadan Insh ALLAH

i cant believe i have to turn in my trascript so early,i know its all the way in Mecca but dang school is just starting for in 2 weeks in sh ALLAH...my grades havnt been all to great because ive taken Advanced Placement classes ,its basically ofr collag credit,its iso hard,if i new i would be so intrested in going over seas i would have taken regular classes and gotten a A's..but thats not how it went lol

ive had c's,plenty actually but my average is still a B so would that make a difference or do they look at each class speartly

there is no way ill be able to come to Umrah.it would be a dream come true though


oh n do they look at the Advance classes ive took or is it all the same to them

does the recomandaions have to be from a well known person,if so i have the best person,my qu'ran teacher,i want to be jus like her lol,its funny because she has a Phd in eveything,she doesnt consider her self scholar like although shes been studing for over 20 something years..hoepfully their recomandations will seriously help

i really wish i would have known earlier i would have had everything ready,but thats not how it was written,Alhamdulilah,im glad i found out before deadlines.


do i have to apply before Hajj or is it after?

you seam to know alot about this,did you go to these collages or do you live there?

thanks to all those helped!!!

im so excited!!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam

I have been to Holy land Mecca and I like it there because it is the land where Prophet Muhammad S.A.W was borned and there is Kaaba and Masjidilharam. South Asian there too are as racist as Saudian. I nearly had a fight with a Pakistani and an Arab I guess from Syria because of his fair skin. But at that time I am in Ihram, I have to be patient even if they kill me.

But my sister who worked in King Faisal Hospital in Riyadh said that Arabs there behave like barbarians rather than acting like Muslims. She hates them because they treat Muslims from other countries like lower class people. We in SEA are polite people especially those from Malaysia, Cambodia and Thailand. Our culture too blended well with Islam and we receive Islam as old as 8th C. So, we can see many Saudian behaviour that contradict Islamic moral teachings in fact that we agree Syariah law should be and a must be imposed in a country with majority Muslim inhabitants.

ive been mistaken as an Arab but im not....how bad is it there wth the racism
...either way dnt really care how im treated if im blesses to live in the Holiest city in the world,i could careless

anyway you blessed..i could only dream aout living in such a place


so hows an average day like..how far from Masjid Al-Haraam can u still hear the Atham..i would love that so much

Wait...have you graduated high school yet? You have to have graduated high school first before applying there, so if you haven't then apply next summer or so inshaAllah. A "B" average is pretty good mashaAllah, and I'm sure they'd take the AP classes into consideration inshaAllah.

The recommendations gotta be from any imaams or person you know who is qualified. Pretty sure your teacher would be a good recommendation.

You have to apply before Hajj I thinkkk. As far as I remember, they close right after Hajj.

Have you checked out all the requirements of stuff you need to send in with the application? If not, I'd be happy to look for it and post it.

Make dua you get to go for Umrah... Whenever you apply to a university, even in America, when you actually get to talk to people in the university, the chances of your being accepted when they review all the applications becomes higher... May Allah make it possible for you. Ameeeen.

Nah, never studied there or lived there, inshaAllah some day though. I know people who got accepted there / wanted to go there so ended up finding out some stuff.

Racism is all over the world. It's not unique to Saudi Arabia, even though it is tragic that it happens there. However, I will say, I do of people living in Riyadh who are treated well mashaAllah. So...not all Saudis are the same. And by judging them all to be the same, we are also bein racist. No offense intended.

format_quote Originally Posted by ayan333

ive been mistaken as an Arab but im not....how bad is it there wth the racism
...either way dnt really care how im treated if im blesses to live in the Holiest city in the world,i could careless

anyway you blessed..i could only dream aout living in such a place


so hows an average day like..how far from Masjid Al-Haraam can u still hear the Atham..i would love that so much

Yes sister, we should not take our race as barrier to expand our brotherhood in Islam. Prophet Muhammad S.A.W never taught us so and Allah S.W.T too forbid us to practice racism.

I am only in Mecca for pilgrimage and I live in a Muassasah. It was not so far from Masjidilharam, I use to walk for prayers in Masjidilharam.

The temperature there at the time I was performing pilgrimage is around 16 degree celcius to 20 degree celcius because it is cold season. It is dry, sandy and our nose bleeding but it doesn't affect our health don't worry. Drink a lot amount of water helps.

My sister told me the temperature around June-August is about 50 degree celcius. Make sure you drink a lot of water and if possible don't forget to take bath frequently when you live in Saudi during hot season, I think water is so valuable in a country like Saudi. We Malaysians always taking bath or shower 4-5 times per day in our country if the temperature is high, it is just a habit.

In Medinah I live in a hotel and it is just in front of Masjid Nabawi. I have been in Saudi for almost a month and I almost grab local Arabic slang. It is good for you to live there if you want to improve your Arabic rather than taking class in places where there is nobody to talk with in Arabic. I learned Arabic formally for almost 6 years in my country and yet it doesn't help much except I can understand few passages from Al-Quran and understand standard Arabic spoken in Saudi television.

I am also thinking to further my study in Islamic field in Saudi as my sister is currently working in Riyadh. But now she refuse to renew her contract with the hospital she is working in because she feels treated badly. Eventhough the pay for her job is quite good even higher than the same job in our country, she still refuse to renew her contract and willing to come back to Malaysia. I hope that she will not regret that she had miss the opportunity of performing Hajj and Umrah.

Last time she encountered bad experience with a Saudi guard at the hospital while she is seeking help from the guard because her house which is near the hospital had been entered by someone, but the guard is trying to spoil her dignity even when she is wearing Hijab.
Alhamdulillah Allah the Most Merciful had saved her when her friend arrive home at that time.

She said it is not a place for her as a woman without Mahram even my family persuaded her to live there a bit longer because we can have accomodation if we perform Hajj or Umrah or if anyone in my family want to further Islamic study. She said the law is unfair where women will be accused as guilty even it is actually mens fault, in the case they can't hold their bad desires and bad thinking.

I think it is not a part of Syariah law as Syariah is flawless, that narrow judgement is a part of Saudi Arabians customs.

I would like to advice you to bring together your Mahram who would be your brother or sister if you are going to study there in Saudi someday. And do not talk with strangers especially men, because their way of thinking is weird unlike people from other places. I myself avoiding talking to female during Hajj because I am afraid being misunderstood. And wearing Hijab particularly black in color all the time when you are outside your house there.

Yes, Mecca and Madinah are blessed cities. But we must be strictly careful even if the cities are blessed, Syaithan are everywhere. Those are experiences that we encountered in Saudi, they are by no mean to give bad impression about the country, just sharing some precautions because we have different cultures and way of thinking although we are all the same Muslims.

May Allah protect you sister and also pray for your success in your study, Insyaallah you will get the place in the education institution there as your intention is very good, Amin!

format_quote Originally Posted by Jawharah

Wait...have you graduated high school yet? You have to have graduated high school first before applying there, so if you haven't then apply next summer or so inshaAllah. A "B" average is pretty good mashaAllah, and I'm sure they'd take the AP classes into consideration inshaAllah.

The recommendations gotta be from any imaams or person you know who is qualified. Pretty sure your teacher would be a good recommendation.

You have to apply before Hajj I thinkkk. As far as I remember, they close right after Hajj.

Have you checked out all the requirements of stuff you need to send in with the application? If not, I'd be happy to look for it and post it.

Make dua you get to go for Umrah... Whenever you apply to a university, even in America, when you actually get to talk to people in the university, the chances of your being accepted when they review all the applications becomes higher... May Allah make it possible for you. Ameeeen.

Nah, never studied there or lived there, inshaAllah some day though. I know people who got accepted there / wanted to go there so ended up finding out some stuff.

Racism is all over the world. It's not unique to Saudi Arabia, even though it is tragic that it happens there. However, I will say, I do of people living in Riyadh who are treated well mashaAllah. So...not all Saudis are the same. And by judging them all to be the same, we are also bein racist. No offense intended.

wow! here in america we apply before we graduate ,basically u rlast year inhih school,so if we get accepted we wouldnt have to waste anytime and we would start school the very next year,thats weird..i guess there school schedule is different,what is the typical school year dates,like when do they began and end.

im realy bumed out,if i do apply then it would have to be after i graduate and you dnt get aaccepted until may or june of the folowing year,correct?

thatll mean that if i must stat classes here in the u.s for one year becasue there is no way my Father would let me take the year off since it isnt garunteed ill get accpeted

on the other hand...that'll give me a chance bring uo my averages and grades in general which is good

and yes sister please send me wat ever it is that you have that woul d help me in anyway


thank you so much for all the info!!!!!!

format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam

Yes sister, we should not take our race as barrier to expand our brotherhood in Islam. Prophet Muhammad S.A.W never taught us so and Allah S.W.T too forbid us to practice racism.

I am only in Mecca for pilgrimage and I live in a Muassasah. It was not so far from Masjidilharam, I use to walk for prayers in Masjidilharam.

The temperature there at the time I was performing pilgrimage is around 16 degree celcius to 20 degree celcius because it is cold season. It is dry, sandy and our nose bleeding but it doesn't affect our health don't worry. Drink a lot amount of water helps.

My sister told me the temperature around June-August is about 50 degree celcius. Make sure you drink a lot of water and if possible don't forget to take bath frequently when you live in Saudi during hot season, I think water is so valuable in a country like Saudi. We Malaysians always taking bath or shower 4-5 times per day in our country if the temperature is high, it is just a habit.

In Medinah I live in a hotel and it is just in front of Masjid Nabawi. I have been in Saudi for almost a month and I almost grab local Arabic slang. It is good for you to live there if you want to improve your Arabic rather than taking class in places where there is nobody to talk with in Arabic. I learned Arabic formally for almost 6 years in my country and yet it doesn't help much except I can understand few passages from Al-Quran and understand standard Arabic spoken in Saudi television.

I am also thinking to further my study in Islamic field in Saudi as my sister is currently working in Riyadh. But now she refuse to renew her contract with the hospital she is working in because she feels treated badly. Eventhough the pay for her job is quite good even higher than the same job in our country, she still refuse to renew her contract and willing to come back to Malaysia. I hope that she will not regret that she had miss the opportunity of performing Hajj and Umrah.

Last time she encountered bad experience with a Saudi guard at the hospital while she is seeking help from the guard because her house which is near the hospital had been entered by someone, but the guard is trying to spoil her dignity even when she is wearing Hijab.
Alhamdulillah Allah the Most Merciful had saved her when her friend arrive home at that time.

She said it is not a place for her as a woman without Mahram even my family persuaded her to live there a bit longer because we can have accomodation if we perform Hajj or Umrah or if anyone in my family want to further Islamic study. She said the law is unfair where women will be accused as guilty even it is actually mens fault, in the case they can't hold their bad desires and bad thinking.

I think it is not a part of Syariah law as Syariah is flawless, that narrow judgement is a part of Saudi Arabians customs.

I would like to advice you to bring together your Mahram who would be your brother or sister if you are going to study there in Saudi someday. And do not talk with strangers especially men, because their way of thinking is weird unlike people from other places. I myself avoiding talking to female during Hajj because I am afraid being misunderstood. And wearing Hijab particularly black in color all the time when you are outside your house there.

Yes, Mecca and Madinah are blessed cities. But we must be strictly careful even if the cities are blessed, Syaithan are everywhere. Those are experiences that we encountered in Saudi, they are by no mean to give bad impression about the country, just sharing some precautions because we have different cultures and way of thinking although we are all the same Muslims.

May Allah protect you sister and also pray for your success in your study, Insyaallah you will get the place in the education institution there as your intention is very good, Amin!

thanks so much for the highlights,i would love to her some of your experiences

im seriously thinking about going for Umrah...its just a dream but im the kinda person who dreams big!!!

when is teh best month to go do you thing

i would like to go in the winter but school is always in the way.

Your so blesses,i would love to live in either places


Alhadmdulilah ALLAH (SWA) has blessed as all



shuran

Salamun alaykum

How much would it be to live in Riyaadh? Where can i find the best houses for sale, etc?
I am looking to move to Arabia in these next five years insha'Allah any suggestions?

Originally Posted by Abu Ibraheem
Salamun alaykum

How much would it be to live in Riyaadh? Where can i find the best houses for sale, etc?
I am looking to move to Arabia in these next five years insha'Allah any suggestions?

Don't know about Riyadh. I live in Jeddah. But i hear that rent is higher in Riyadh than Jeddah.

format_quote Originally Posted by amani

can none saudis even buy houses?

This may sound strange to you, but no sis, non saudis cannot buy houses or own any kind of property. This btw, is true in Most middle eastern countries. I don't why it is so. I think maybe because there are so many foreigners living here that if they are allowed to won propert, there'll be non left for the citizens!

Most expats live in apartments and the highly paid ones live in villas in special compounds

format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam

Of course it is good to perform Umrah in Ramadhan. The experience would be superb. You can perform Umrah in Muharram too I think. There aren't many people circumambulating Kaaba in Masjidilharam during Muharram, but I strongly recommend you to perform Umrah in Ramadhan

Insyaallah your dream will come true, it is a very good dream indeed

when is the weather better,of course wi woud love to go to the Holiest place in Holiest month,Alhamdulilah,that would be dreaming Big...

see,its not that easy for me to jus get up and leave,my Father is strictly educational and dnt antto dissppoint him so itll be hard leaving while school is going on..Alhamdulilah now that i think about it,its kinda good though,Ramamdan is moving up the calender and next year it might be during our summer vacation so it might work InshALLAH

so,yes,when is it cooliest there,as in climate and all..im nota big fan of the heat,although ill have to get over it if i do Insh ALLAH get accepted.

and you need a Mahram to come wih you right,even if its jus for Umrah...and how old does this Mahram have to be.

^ I am told that the weather will cool down by the end of august.

Mahram for Umra is one of these: father, husband (won't apply to you right now ), brother (who has reached puberty), grandfather, Uncle (mother's bro or father's bro)

format_quote Originally Posted by amani

jawharah if you have the documents required for uqu for females can u please post them here.
thankss

thank sis! ive been on the schools official website and any othe rwebsite that contains information about the school but i havnt realy got straight foward answers thanks to all who've respnded to my posts,evrything little thing has helped.May ALLAH (SWA) guide you all and grant you success in this life and in the hereafter,Insh ALLAH..Ameen

format_quote Originally Posted by manaal

^ I am told that the weather will cool down by the end of august.

Mahram for Umra is one of these: father, husband (won't apply to you right now ), brother (who has reached puberty), grandfather, Uncle (mother's bro or father's bro)

Really? Alahdulilah,thats great,I no i wont be able to go nex tyear,but Insh ALLAH next year if i work hard enough.I was worried about the mahram part,if i was to go along with my aunt would we need two mahrams or is one fine,he'll only be 16,although MashALLAH he could fall for older?

and i was told that applications would have to be turned in after Hajj,will i be able to apply and turn it in if i was to go for Umrah in august?If so when are the exact deadlines?

lol bro you dreaming.

Scimi