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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

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    I have already told you if you read my previous post, I have no problem immigrating to lands so long as they live under the laws of the land of which they are citizens..
    you know what percentage of Israeli citizens are atheists? look it up, because I really don't know what ties them to that place.. I have to run I am already late for work........

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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you hadas, welcome to the forum.



    Maybe the question should be, do you think Palestinians have a right to live in the state of Israel? I have just come back from a Christian pilgrimage to Israel, we had a Jewish guide, who constantly talked about the 1967 war, and the reunification of Jerusalem.

    I don’t know how accurate her figures are but she said, Israel is about 80 % Jewish, and about 20 % Muslim, so there aren’t too many Palestinians left according to her information.

    What are your thoughts?


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    have nothing against Arabs living in Israel...there are many of them who live , go to work, school, etc...

    For example world center of Bahai religion is in Haifa...do you know that...

    Do you know that one jewish female was sentenced to prison because she made a cartoon of Mohammad Rasul?
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by hadas View Post
    Do they have right to their own state?
    I don't mind but not through violent force and killing people in the process.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeaZuj7ruwM

    Watch this video. Do you agree with what this Jew says?

    format_quote Originally Posted by hadas View Post
    One more question

    what do you think about Ahmadinejad and his words: Israel should be wiped off the Earth
    NO. President Ahmadinejad never said that he wants to see Israel wiped off the map militarily but to see the Zionist regime collapse like how the Soviet Union collapsed. There is NO evidence to suggest that Iran has developing nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the map. That's stupid. President Ahmadinejad supports the Palestinians and an attack on Israel will surely affect Palestinians.

    You should be more worried about countries that have nuclear weapons and do not allow any other nations to inspect their weapons.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    Is it true that they call new york jew york? if thats the case then america is more jewish then isreal. most jews move to america don't they
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

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    I don't mind but not through violent force and killing people in the process.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeaZuj7ruwM

    Watch this video. Do you agree with what this Jew says?



    NO. President Ahmadinejad never said that he wants to see Israel wiped off the map militarily but to see the Zionist regime collapse like how the Soviet Union collapsed. There is NO evidence to suggest that Iran has developing nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the map. That's stupid. President Ahmadinejad supports the Palestinians and an attack on Israel will surely affect Palestinians.

    You should be more worried about countries that have nuclear weapons and do not allow any other nations to inspect their weapons.
    May I ask you something, do you think that Israel is responsible for all the problems in the muslim world and arab world?
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by hadas View Post
    May I ask you something, do you think that Israel is responsible for all the problems in the muslim world and arab world?
    No. Everyone is it at fault to some extent. It would not be logical to put the entire blame on one country. Nothing good comes out of it if people take that approach.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    May I ask you something, do you think that Israel is responsible for all the problems in the muslim world and arab world?
    Israel is not in fault for current mess in arab world.But i am sure the oppressive actions of israel is the cause for mess in Palestine and israel.


    But i hope everything settles in peace i don't want more people to die because of this conflict
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    I don't hate Jews or pious Jews... I don't know if they call their religion Judaism... But I have the same respect to them as I respect other Muslim brethren... Hebrew is considered as Bedouine.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by hadas View Post
    Do you know that one jewish female was sentenced to prison because she made a cartoon of Mohammad Rasul?
    What a joke! Yes it is a big joke if this took place in israel. israeli jews get away with many things, it's obvious.
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    What is so fun making fun about others like caricatures and etc? I never see any sane Muslim make fun of Moses or Jesus like others had done... And I'm sure I myself will kick the head of anyone not only Muslim who make fun of these holy prophets!
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    Gretings and peace be with you hadas; thanks for your reply.

    have nothing against Arabs living in Israel...there are many of them who live , go to work, school, etc...
    What are your thoughts on the reunification of Jerusalem, the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock, which are both built on top of the Temple Mount?

    For example world center of Bahai religion is in Haifa...do you know that...
    Thanks for the info, very interesting.

    Do you know that one jewish female was sentenced to prison because she made a cartoon of Mohammad Rasul?
    There is a great need to search for justice for all people, but we each seem to want justice more for our own kind, rather than those who are different.

    In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

    Eric
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    What are your thoughts on the reunification of Jerusalem, the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock, which are both built on top of the Temple Mount?
    This can happen only when both parties come to a conclusion and israel stops its occupation and make a Free country with jews and muslims living in peace and respect
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by JaffaCake View Post
    I think you might have missed my point. It appears that you believe ownership of, or at least a right to live on, a piece of land is by birthright.
    Hmm, this birth right concept wasn’t exactly what i was aiming at, so im not sure that your conclusions are right. All i was saying was that the Palestinians, since they are in the authority- have the right to choose who enters their lands etc.

    However, Being in authority of a land does not denote that one has inhabited it illegally. Not everyone who is in authority on land fought the original inhabitants and took over.
    It seems that a lot of these arguments rest on a historical claim that Palestinians are the descendants of the original residents. How far back do you go with that? People have moved around a lot in the last few thousand years, I doubt that anyone can say with certainty that all current Palestinians have a link to the original 'owners' (whatever that means) and nobody else does.

    Also, how does that work alongside your belief that everyone is a
    descendant of Adam?
    I don’t see what that has to do with anything quite frankly.
    If that's the case surely we all have an equal stake.
    How so? Going by your logic, i have the right to to steal your property and claim it as my own and then make myself look like the victim. but any sound intellect rejects that notion-and rightfully so!

    format_quote Originally Posted by hadas View Post
    Arab language is official language in Israel....
    indeed, because is Israel is Occupied Palestine...so it makes perfect sense



    format_quote Originally Posted by hadas View Post
    Well I can post pictures of suicide-attacks victims...
    if you do, and whilst your at it, please post pictures of mosques that have been destroyed, olive trees farms that have been stolen, etc etc
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by hadas View Post
    So jews are not original inhabitants in Middle East?? Where did they originate? In Siberia maybe?
    As Jewism is religion, then jews are original from many parts of the world. Many zionist leaders, for example, are original from Russia and East Europe.

    If some originally Finnish for example would convert to jewism, his etchnic background wouldn´t change to semitic at all neither nobody couldn´t claims he is original inhabitant from Middle East, but jew he will be.

    By same way I could ask from where muslims are original from? Or all Christians?
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    We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.



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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by hadas View Post
    Well I can post pictures of suicide-attacks victims...
    Of course you can, as like we could post here pictures of mutilated bodies of child victims from Gaza and Lebanon after zionists´ terrorist attacks, but I don´t think it is the main point of this discussion.

    Surely you also can explain these victims of zionists are all just as "mistake" of the most moral army who only has right for self-defence.

    Like these ones:
    Self-defence stories from Gaza
    By Paul J. Balles


    October 24, 2009

    According to Amnesty International, some 1,400 Palestinians were killed in the 22-day Israeli offensive between 27 December 2008 and 17 January 2009, which agrees broadly with Palestinian figures. More than 900 of these were civilians, including 300 children and 115 women.

    Two-year old Amal Abed Rabbo, one of the 300 children casualties, died in an Israeli attack outside her house in the village of Izbit Abed Rabbo, Gaza, on 7 January 2009.

    The UN Human Rights Council’s Goldstone report called Israel’s military assault on Gaza "a deliberately disproportionate attack designed to punish, humiliate and terrorize a civilian population, radically diminish its local economic capacity both to work and to provide for itself, and to force upon it an ever-increasing sense of dependency and vulnerability".

    Gabriela Shalev, the Israeli ambassador to the United Nations, quickly rejected the report, saying it failed to take into account that the operation was in "self-defence".

    Amira Qirm lay on a hospital bed with her right leg in plaster, and held together by a line of steel pins dug deep into her skin. For several days after her operation Amira, 15, was unable to speak, and even now talks only in a low whisper.

    Amira watched her father die in the street outside their home in Gaza, then heard another shell land and kill her brother Ala'a, 14, and her sister Ismat, 16; and then she spent three days alone, injured and semi-conscious, trying to stay alive in a neighbour's abandoned house.

    Israel's argument: the war was a response to Palestinian rocket fire and therefore an act of self-defence.

    Muhammad Balousha, aged two, waited constantly by the door listening carefully to the sounds around him, hoping to recognize the sounds of his five sisters coming home. He does not know that, when on that one night they said goodnight and went to sleep, it was forever.

    On the Israeli side 13 died in this conflict, three of them civilians. In total in the past eight years, 20 people in Israel have died from rocket and mortar attacks launched by militants in Gaza.

    Abdul Rahim Abu Halima, 14, was killed when a white phosphorous artillery shell hit his home on 4 January. He died with two of his brothers, Zayed, eight, and Hamza, six, his sister Shahed, who was 15 months old, and their father Saadallah, 45.

    Anne Bayefsky, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute writes, in The Jerusalem Post that the charges of human rights violations are just more of "that same old bash-Israel agenda".

    A boy from the Abu Halima family lost his father, three brothers and an infant sister in a horrific fire after an Israeli phosphorus shell hit the house.

    Israeli Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi has difficulty believing the soldiers' testimonies that they intentionally harmed Palestinian civilians, because the Israel Defence Force is a "moral army".

    A Palestinian ambulance arrives with a patient who is barely 10 years old and his head is wrapped in a bandage and he is unconscious and on manual ventilation. He was shot in the head by Israeli sniper fire.

    Prime Minister Netanyahu says Israeli forces were exercising their right to self-defence.

    Neurosurgeon Dr Ahmed Yaha catalogued horrific injuries such as babies being shot in the head, babies with broken spines due to being thrown by shell blasts. People burned to the bone by white phosphorus, nail bombs causing brutal injuries and a new phenomena, micro-pellets, that leave no entry wound but cause fatal internal injuries.

    In self-defence?

    Source: http://www.uruknet.com/index.php?p=m...hd=&size=1&l=e
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb View Post
    As Jewism is religion, then jews are original from many parts of the world. Many zionist leaders, for example, are original from Russia and East Europe.

    If some originally Finnish for example would convert to jewism, his etchnic background wouldn´t change to semitic at all neither nobody couldn´t claims he is original inhabitant from Middle East, but jew he will be.

    By same way I could ask from where muslims are original from? Or all Christians?
    I have Yemeni ancestry, so that means that I am a Yemeni and have the right to go back to Yemen? Heck, I don even know where is my ancestral land anymore because my ancestor had been here since 17th C. Although we still can trace our clan lineage but that doesn't approve anything for me to snatch Yemeni lands or claiming anything from Yemen.

    We do practice Arab customs here like we only marry among Muslim Arab, but the tradition had been broken nowadays when our grandfathers had practiced polygamy and they also have non-Arab wives. Is this has something in common with Jew tradition?
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by malayloveislam View Post
    What is so fun making fun about others like caricatures and etc? I never see any sane Muslim make fun of Moses or Jesus like others had done... And I'm sure I myself will kick the head of anyone not only Muslim who make fun of these holy prophets!
    Are you talking to me? Coz your post are right before and after mine, that im not sure if you are referring to someone else..
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by Afg View Post
    Are you talking to me? Coz your post are right before and after mine, that im not sure if you are referring to someone else..
    Nope, sorry for not clearly stating to whom it is addressed. I'm quoting the post about people who love to make fun of others' prophets... I guess it is about a woman who was detained in Israel for making caricatures of prophet Muhammad (saw), it's not addressed to you nor anyone who doesn't making fun of holy prophets ...
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    Oh Are you serious they detained her? Then they should detain all those war criminals and all those israeli terrorists.
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    Re: A jewish person moving to Israel

    format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin View Post
    I agree that people can live where they like, so long as their home wasn't built in the spot another abode was forcibly demolished after immorally evicting its inhabitants.
    Not wanting to take this thread off topic, but it reminded me of something I came across on our trip to Germany this week.
    All across German cities they have placed pavement plaques (named 'stumbling blocks') outside the houses from which Jewish families were taken during WWII.
    A powerful visual reminder of Germany's cruel past.

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    Perhaps we need similar reminders in Palestine.
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