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    For brothers and sisters who live in the west, did you ever wish that you would move to an Islamic country ? If yes pls post some of the reasons for this, you can mention which country it is, and what are the things that you are doing to make this happen ofcouse beside Douaa.

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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

    Salam alaykum

    I haven´t never plant to move to any other country - not islamic or non-islamic. One reason for this is because I feel home in this country I have born. Also, the most islamic countries are already quite over populated and I feel it is better (even to me) living in the west; here it is possible to tell to others whose might be interesting to become muslim about islam.
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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

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    For brothers and sisters who live in the west, did you ever wish that you would move to an Islamic country ? If yes pls post some of the reasons for this, you can mention which country it is, and what are the things that you are doing to make this happen ofcouse beside Douaa.
    What I missed in Islamic country that I am not getting it here in the West are mosques where you hear the Athan coming from the mosques. I missed when you hear the Athan and you see people walking to toward the mosque and you see people closing the stores and walking toward the mosque...this is what I am missing here in the West.

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    One my friend before said to me that it is same in which country she lives (now she lives in Gaza) because in any country she can serve and praise Allah...
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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

    Quote Originally Posted by sister herb View Post
    One my friend before said to me that it is same in which country she lives (now she lives in Gaza) because in any country she can serve and praise Allah...
    Amen to that.

    I like to think that God places us in certain places and situations and with certain people for a reason - so we should make the best of it and serve him as best we can.
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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

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    For brothers and sisters who live in the west, did you ever wish that you would move to an Islamic country ? If yes pls post some of the reasons for this, you can mention which country it is, and what are the things that you are doing to make this happen ofcouse beside Douaa.


    I think about moving to KSA very frequently.
    I cant think of anything better than to be able to live in the blessed cities of Madhinah or Makkah, or at least in the vicinity.

    The following hadith is from Bukhari (9:88, 210):

    Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:
    Allah's Apostle said,
    "There will come a time when the best property of a Muslim will be sheep which he will take to the tops of mountains and the places of rainfall so as to flee with his religion from the afflictions.
    "

    ^ I'm not sure if we are already at this point in time, but certainly it does feel like it is becoming increasingly difficult to protect ourselves and families from the types of fitnahs that we are surrounded by.

    Unfortunately I'm not in a position to do so at present - so this is probably what is best for me.... Allahu alim.

    I think that if anyone has the physical/ financial possibility to make hijrah to a muslim country, purely for the sake of safe-guarding their imaan and with the intention of living a life that is more focussed on deen, then they should make every effort to do so, in shaa Allah.

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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

    Just some thoughts.

    A little over 1400 years ago, there were no Islamic Nations. Today there are 49. Each one of them B
    became Islamic Nations because the Muslim Minority stayed in them and grew to become the Majority.

    Contrary to popular belief the Islamic Nations did not become so because of Muslims migrating into the Nation, but because the residents reverted to Islam and stayed in the Nation instead of moving to an Islamic Nation.

    I read an intersesting story the other day. Stop and think about this Brother:


    NUUK: Wassam Azaqeer, a Lebanese, who lives in a country surrounded by icebergs called “Greenland”, is the only Muslim in this state who is fasting daily for 21 hours with full determination.

    Greenland is the largest island in the world; lies between the North Atlantic and the Arctic Ocean; a self-governing province of Denmark.

    According to an Arab TV report, Wassam Azaqeer, who is living in Greenland from the past several years and has been called “Arab Columbus” as he is the only Arab Muslim who not only managed to live in Greenland-despite for its long and difficult journey, but also running a successful business in the capital city of Greenland called Nuuk.

    Wassam, is running his own restaurant where he receives 200 customers each day.

    The month of the Ramdan,this year, came in summer so Wassam has to fast for 21 hours and after Aftari he only got 2 hours to prepare for Sehri to start next fast.

    In these 2 hours Wassam, also has to offer his Maghrib and Isha prayers. Wassam says that he is very proud Muslim to be living on a state where he is the only one fasting and praying in the name of Allah.

    He says he sometimes think about going to Lebanon in this holy month but he stops himself by thinking that if left Greenland, there wont be anyone to fast and pray on this land.
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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

    As-salaamu 3laikum, I would love to move to a Muslim-majority country, however, I would need to be sure that hijra was really obligatory for me as I don't have a mahram to travel with. So in sha Allah I will see how my situation is when I finish my studies. The other problem is that a lot of Muslim countries require you to get a visa which can be very expensive and a lot don't allow you to stay there permanently.

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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

    I live in an Islamic country , and wouldn't mind travelling to see how other Muslims live - as soon as I make enough $$

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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

    Salam aleykum,

    Mashallah I love the story in Woodrow's post about the man in Greenland - I always wondered what it must be like to be a Muslim so far north during Ramadhan when it falls in the summer!

    I have thought a lot about making Hijrah and my strong desire is to live under the protection of full shariah, but I take the point that historically Muslim countries became Muslim because the residents reverted to Islam and insha'Allah it would be lovely to play my small part in making that happen here in the west.

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    i did not know there was a single Islamic country on the face of the earth! we have countries populated by Muslims, yes, but not a single Islamic country.

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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

    I would never move to an Islamic country because no Muslim leader I have seen has EVER been a just leader. They are all frauds, as far as I can tell, and they either serve their own interests or the interests of the Western powers out of fear of them. Furthermore, Muslim leaders today seem to think it's fine to oppress their fellow Muslims and allow Muslims to kill each other - again, as long as their own interests are served.

    So no, I would never move to an Islamic country. There is no peace and no justice there as far as anyone is concerned. There is no "Islam" followed by the so-called Muslims in those countries. When a Muslim country has Muslims killing one another, no Muslim country mobilizes their military to stop that conflict. They only stop conflicts when their leader is involved because apparently that is more important.

    When the time finally comes that the so-called Muslim countries follow Islam, then I would decide to move there. They are Muslims in name only and no government is without extreme corruption. Even though Saudi Arabia is rich and does well, they are the most unjust because they have never lead any nations in intervention in their own fellow neighboring Muslim countries. Even if they are not neighbors, they are the country in which Islam began. Yet, they do NOTHING to stop any conflicts, unless it be a threat to their own power.

    I have not heard of any Islamic country considering military intervention in Syria, only the US considers this. Forget hidden agendas, at least the US considers this a humanitarian crisis. Unless the Muslims in those countries wake up and smell the coffee that their own brethren are suffering and plan to do something to stop all of this bloodshed, then I will move there. But even my safety is not guaranteed as a Muslim. So why should I ever consider it?

    It is a terrible option for any true Muslim to move to any Muslim country, when they know none of them follow Islam in their laws and behavior. Instead they are cowards who don't help their own fellow Muslims. Shame on them. They are not worthy of being called Islamic when this is who they act. They should have come up with a solution a long time ago instead of letting non-Muslim countries deal with countries like Syria and Egypt as they wish. It is both weak and pathetic. I have no sympathy for those who cannot lift a finger to save their own brothers. Instead, there are Ulema who consider it a Jihad to go and fight in Syria, thus furthering the bloodshed there. What Jihad? Jihad of Muslims killing Muslims? Astaghfirullah! Shame on them and shame on those who kill their own brethren in faith!

    Never! Not until they reform themselves to the correct Islam. The Islam which the Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) had revealed to him by Allah and that which the Sahaba (ra) had followed. Not until that is their goal.
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    I think that the intention behind making hijrah to a muslim country is important.

    If one is emigrating, in an attempt to live under uncorrupted 'islamic leadership', then it is true - there will be great difficulty in trying to find such a country.
    If one is emigrating to a muslim-predominate country, simply because they want to live amongst muslims in general - then this is all that will be achieved (and as brother Woodrows post has beautifully shown, there may be more benefit in staying in ones own country for the purpose of dawah).

    However, if a person is making hijrah because he/ she feels that their current society is drowning in so many types of vices and sin - that it is becoming difficult to protect their imaans and to protect their families/ kids - then, in shaa Allah, this is the type of hijrah that is worth pursuing.

    Which is why, personally, I can see no better place of residence than in the blessed cities.
    And which is also the reason why some groups of people have opted for the formation of 'Muslim Villages' in various parts of the world.

    ^ Simply because they are saying, that their imaan is so precious.....and that they can no longer safe-guard it in their current environments.

    Our intentions for moving to a muslim country, are more important than the actual hijrah itself.


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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

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    I think that the intention behind making hijrah to a muslim country is important.
    As much as I agree with that, I still cannot swallow the fact that the Islamic countries do not coalesce together and work together. Instead, the rich and powerful don't give any heed to the suffering of their fellow Muslims, except maybe a few of them. I don't see the spirit of Islam anywhere in the Islamic countries. Yes, there is Hajj and Umra in Mecca, and many worship at the sacred mosques, but when it comes to calling one another Kafir and killing others who clearly claim to be Muslim, then nothing is stopped. No deterrence is given and preferences are given instead to one side over the other.

    There are a lot of other reasons as well, but suffice it to say, a lot of Muslims are Muslims in name only these days. I'd rather live in the West where I can see how true Muslims stand against Fitnah and persevere as Muslims despite living among non-Muslims who surround them. Most who come from Islamic countries tend to become Westernized more easily than Muslims who already live here in the West and embrace Islam strongly. You see guys and girls from the Arab and South Asian countries start dating and mixing freely, adopting evil attitudes and committing Fahishah. It really surprised me to see this for the last couple of years, but now I realize a lot of the Muslims who live in Islamic countries, when tested on their faith, fall victim to temptation easily. So how do you know how many Muslims from these countries really stand the test when the time comes? Not all of them, in fact a few of them stay strong - from what I've seen.

    So I would rather live with those here in the West, who are Muslim in practice despite the test and trials surrounding them. They are the best company, and they are like the gold which is purified from the heating having been separated from the impurities. After going through fire (trials), they come out pure. These are how you know the true Muslims from those who adopt hypocrisy.

    Tell me I'm wrong and that you haven't seen this. This is the main reason why I would never move to an Islamic country. You can't tell who is truly Muslim behind closed doors and who is Muslim in all situations. Belief and disbelief prevail everywhere, but if you can live somewhere where you can tell the believers from the disbelievers easily, then you are safer than having to guess and fall into the wrong company by accident. That can be devastating.

    All in all, I don't disagree with you, I just see things differently. I like to know my friends are following Islam truly and not just acting like they believe it. I've got to know they are the same way behind closed doors, rather than being hypocritical people who could be a bad influence given the right situation. I usually try to stay away from those people if I can manage to avoid them. It just seems easier here in the West.

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    It has appealed to me to move to a Muslim country (there is no Islamic country in the world, only Muslim majority countries), but then again I keep avoiding that idea, because I feel there is wisdom to every aspect of our lives, and that includes our place of birth as well. Most people move to Gulf countries that also happen to be Muslim countries with the intent of making money, and also the part that the population is mostly Muslim is an added bonus, not the primary motivation. However, these people live with an unthinkable amount of fear of getting in the hair of the citizens of the country. I despise this part of living abroad with a fear, especially even more when I have to be afraid of my Muslim brothers and sisters.

    Apart from that, I feel that the reason I get these ideas of going there is because I'm having difficulty in following the deen where I'm located, or that place has plenty of fitnah. So then I think if every Muslim moved to the Middle-East with this mindset then who would take up the duty of Dawah for these non-Muslim countries? Very recently, I came to know of a couple of situations that brought this thought to my head. There were two daees in my city who were very active MashaAllah, and looking at them was a sheer pleasure, because they were respected by non-Muslims as well. However, about a week ago, I came to know that both of them have been living in Saudi Arabia for quite a while now - some even say its been years. I was not able to catch up with them, and was mostly following their activities on facebook and all, but I had no clue that they had moved. Not to say that they don't have a right to live whatever way they want to live, but I felt weird that these people who were upholding the flag of Islam with honor even amongst non-Muslims left to live with Muslims. My dawah is not even peanuts compared to what they have done, and I have no right to judge them whatsoever, but I was actually sad after I came to know this. However, it also reminded me that Islam is not an أمانة (trust) of a handful of Muslims, but of all of us, and all of us need to collectively contribute in establishing it wherever we live.

    Then there is the freedom aspect as well. No other place can provide you as much freedom as your place of birth. Plus, the demerits such as racism are easily forgotten in such matters.

    A life without trials and tribulations only means that you choose to go to the day of Judgment with an easy question sheet in your hand, and we all know that there is hardly anyone in this world today who is upholding every duty of Islam as devoutly as it should be. We also know that even our most perfect deeds won't be sufficient to grant us jannah until Allah covers us with His mercy. So, I feel, although Allah is Ar-Rahman (the Most Compassionate) Al-Haleem (Most Forbearing), how much compassion will be fair if we show up on the day of judgment with an innocuous life to our credit despite having moved to a Muslim country? Despite having crossed oceans to have an easy life, and yet be ungrateful and sinful?

    People can go wherever they want with whatever intentions they have, but for me these thoughts hinder any plans of going abroad. I absolutely love Makkah, love it more than any place in the world, love it in a way that I can compare the love I have for it only with the love I have for my daughter, but still as I was not born there I take it as an indication that its best that I enjoy it as a visitor, and not as a resident.
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    Re: Moving to an Islamic Country

    People who are there want to come here , saying they want to live with Muslims.
    People who are here want to go there because they want to live in a country of Islam.

    It is common here for people to say that in the west people are not Muslims , but Islamic law is upheld by the way people behave and deal with each other.
    "I went there and found Islam without Muslims , whilst here I only find Muslims without Islam".

    Whether this is correct or not I don't know. But there's only one way to find out!
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    Lol I passed through Saudi Arabia when i left the uk with the tiny hope of finding a reason to get a job there and settling to be near the epicentre of islamic thought and struggle. The utter selfishness, fear and wahn I felt around me was startling, even the mujahideen sites are blocked there, and king abdullah (al salul)'s idol pasted on every large empty space, waving his fat arms, arms that hug Obama and bush.

    It seems that the western political thought + materialism has infiltrated the minds heavily and competing to by expensive stuff has become a high ideal, the situation of the ummah comes somewhere near last.
    Not that I'm saying it's not like that nearly everywhere, but at least in bd I know the lingo and mind frame, Islam is respected (althought more in a ritual sense), and hefajat-e-Islam came out to show the world that the Muslims here are prepared to come out fighting when it becomes necessary.
    The political scene is bleak (another western puppet), but the ability to say salaam to almost anyone and frIe dliness of its people is comforting.

    It is impossible to live in the west and be fully submitted to Allah, because the first requirement of western despots is acceptance of their authority to rule over Allah's - outright shirk.
    If they make a satanic law, you can't go with your Quran and say, but Allah says this, even the community will chastise and mock you.
    Here in BD, there are nasty despots trying to implement kufr, but when you see something against Islam and go to stop it, people may ask you why and when you explain the cause, they support you and they'll even contend with cops who'd try to enforce "the law".
    It's a big difference, though the distinction between iman and kufr is not as enhanced here as in a disbelieving land, one can lose the determination to strive when everything's mild. But when the government try to attack Islam, the urge to do something is rekindled.

    Example: in the uk, if you have a huge m&s panty and bra advert past which you and your children have to walk every day, it's very difficult to give them a valid reason to remove it, pull it down, you can get arrested - some people will even call the cops, and the judge will not listen to your moral qualms. (we make your laws and dictate what you accept and reject - willingly or unwillingly.

    In BD, if they put up a slightly provocative ad and you pull it down, explain your reasons, people will acknowledge you and support you against kafir police. They're less domesticated by authority.

    Anyways, I don't know if I'll be arrested or killed, but I do know that Muslims bond together in conflicts involving faith, it doesn't feel like a barren rock.

    I.e you can strengthen and erect what remains, or try to turn over a huge rock that refuses to budge - while lying prostrate under it.
    You and fellow muslims can stand up and demand respect for Islam in a majority population while schooling your children in an Islamic establishment without having to stress about a £20,000 bill.
    or you can request to be allowed to practice your faith submissively to an infidel tyrant in a land where people have been conditioned to reject the rule of Allah and accept the decadence of Shaytaan. And your children can grow up desensitised to and un-awed by rebellion towards Allah.

    Jarir ibn ‘Abdullaah al-Bojali relates, Rasulullaah sent a battalion to the tribe of Kulthum. Some members of the tribe sought salvation in performing prostration; however the battalion rapidly killed them. When Rasulullaah heard of the news, he ordered their families to be paid half the amount of blood money and said, `I disown every Muslim who settles amongst the Mushrikeen’ His companions asked, “Why is that Ya Rasulullah?” He replied, “You could not distinguish the Muslim from the kaafir.”

    The hadeeth is reported by Abu Dawud and at-Tirmidhi that Hannad ibn al-Sarri narrated to us, Abi Mu’awiyyah narrated to us, from Ishma’il ibn Abi Khalid from Qais bin Abi Hazim from Jarir ibn ‘Abdullaah: that Rasulullaah sent a military expedition to Khath’am. So some people (living there) sought safety by prostrating, but they were met quickly and killed. News of this reached the Prophet upon which he commanded that they be given half of the ‘Aql (blood money). And he said: “I disown every Muslim who settles amongst the Mushrikeen” They said: “Why is that Ya Rasulullaah?” He said: “They should not see each others campfires.”

    Abu Dawud said:* “Hushaim, Ma’mar, Khalid al-Wasiti and others narrated without mentioning Jarir.”

    at-Tirmidhi said:* “Similar to the narration of Abi Mu’awiyah (no. 1604) but he did not mention in it: “from Jarir” in it, and that is more correct. There is something on this topic from Samurah. Most of the companions of Isma’il said: “From Isma’il, from Qais bin Abu Hazim, that Rasulullaah sent a military expedition.” and they did not mention: “from Jarir” in it. Hammad bin Salamah reported similar to the narration of Abi Mu’awiyah, from Al-Hajjaj bin Artah, from Isma’il bin Abi Khalid, from Qais from Jarir“

    Ibn Hajr writes in ‘Talkhis al-Habir’: “this hadeeth is reported by Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi, ibn Majah from the hadeeth of Jarir…al-Bukhaari, Abu Hatim, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi and ad-Daraqutni graded it as Mursal from Qais ibn Abi Hazim…”

    In ‘Takreej Ahadith al-Ihya’, the author writes, “this hadeeth is narrated by an-Nasa’i as Mursal and al-Bukhaari said that the correct view is that this hadeeth is Mursal.”

    Abu Hatim al-Razi commenting on the hadeeth (No.942) in his book “‘ilal al-hadeeth” also regarded it as Mursal.

    Here's an interesting article I just found:


    The Importance of Making Hijrah From The Lands of Disbelief

    http://www.islampolicy.com/2011/02/i...lands.html?m=1

    I am not saying that I am a better person now than I was then, but I have to admit that the opportunities are endless, just needs effort.

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    Abz2000, where is BD?

    the most sanest" "Muslim" head of state that i can see is Pres. Ahmadinejad of Iran. but it isn't an Islamic country, it is Shii'a. i'm dying, so i don't care anyway. but what country wants to take someone that can only be a financial burden? not saying that they want me here!

    the fault, as i see it, isn't really the "fault" of the Muslims. Alhamdulillah, they are freer in some places on earth than others. BUT, BUT, because they are busy doing what is correct, they don't bother with the problems of running a country. those that DO run the countries and live by their own rules. it is near disastrous. some of the early Scholars were tortured and imprisoned for not co-operating or assisting those in power. maybe if you "keep your head down", but is keeping your head down the proper way to live? how can you ignore shirk in KSA? how? how do you justify it? (that isn't rhetorical, btw)

    it is all very, very complicated!

    Zariah, iirc, said it best. imho.


    from Islam QA

    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/13363


    I live in a western country, and I can practice my religion without much difficulty, praise be to Allaah. I have seen on your site some ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which forbid Muslims to settle in kaafir lands or to live among the kuffaar. I am now confused about whether to go back to my country or to stay in this country, knowing that if I go back to my country, I will encounter hardship and persecution because of my adherence to the laws of Allaah, and I will not be able to find freedom of worship such as I enjoy in the country where I live now.
    I hope that you can answer my question and explain the ruling on my staying in this country, especially since the Muslim countries are no longer very different from others with regard to adherence to the laws of Islam.


    Praise be to Allaah.

    The basic principle is that it is not permissible for the Muslim to settle among the mushrikeen. This is indicated by evidence from the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and on the basis of common sense.

    In the Qur’aan, Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): “In what (condition) were you?” They reply: “We were weak and oppressed on the earth.” They (angels) say: “Was not the earth of Allaah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?” Such men will find their abode in Hell — what an evil destination!”

    [al-Nisa’ 4:97]

    In the Sunnah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2645; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

    With regard to common sense, the Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen cannot carry out many of the rituals and visible acts of worship of Islam, in addition to the fact that he is exposing himself to temptation because of the permissiveness in those countries that is protected by their laws. The Muslim should not expose himself to temptations and trials.

    This is if we look at the evidence of the Qur’aan and Sunnah without paying attention to what is really happening in Muslim countries and kaafir countries. But if we look at what is really happening in Muslim countries, we cannot agree with the questioner when he says, “Especially since the Muslim countries are no longer very different from others with regard to adherence to the laws of Islam.” But this generalization is not correct. The Muslim countries are not all the same with regard to how closely or otherwise they adhere to the laws of Islam. Rather they vary in that, and even within one country, regions and cities may vary in that regard.

    Similarly the kaafir countries are not all the same with regard to their permissiveness and moral laxity; they also vary in that regard.

    So given that the Muslim countries vary, as do the kaafir countries, and given that the Muslim cannot go to a Muslim state and settle there because of visa and strict settlement laws etc, and that a Muslim may not be able to practice his religion in some Muslim countries, when he may be able to do so in whole or at least in part in some kaafir countries – for all these reasons it is impossible to issue a general ruling that will cover all countries and all individuals. Rather we should say that each Muslim has his own unique set of circumstances and his own ruling that applies to him, and each person is accountable for himself. If he is able to practise his religion in the Muslim country in which he lives more than he can in a kaafir country, then it is not permissible for him to settle in a kaafir country. But if it is the other way round, then it is permissible for him to settle in a kaafir country, subject to the condition that he is confident that he can resist the desires and temptations to be found there by taking the precautionary measures prescribed in sharee’ah.

    There follow some comments of the scholars which support what we have said above:

    Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about this matter and he said: This is one of the most difficult issues nowadays because countries vary, as stated above, and because for some Muslims, if they go back to their homelands they will be persecuted for their religion whereas they are safe from that in the kaafir countries. But if we say that it is haraam for them to settle among the kuffaar, then where is the Islamic state that will accept them and allow them to settle there?! This is the meaning of what he said, may Allaah have mercy on him.

    Zakariya al-Ansaari al-Shaafa’i said in his book Asna al-Mataalib (4/207):

    It is obligatory to migrate from the kaafir lands to the Muslim lands for those who are able to do that, if they are unable to practise their religion openly.

    Ibn al-‘Arabi al-Maaliki said: Hijrah (migration) means leaving dar al-harb [non-Muslim lands] and going to dar al-islam [Muslim lands]. This was obligatory at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and remains so after his time for those who fear for their lives. From Nayl al-Awtaar, 8/33, by al-Shawkaani.

    Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said concerning the hadeeth, “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen”:

    This is to be understood as referring to those who are not safe to practise their religion there. Fath al-Baari, commentary on hadeeth no. 2825

    In al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (20/206) it says:

    Dar al-harb refers to every place in which the rule of kufr prevails. One of the rulings that have to do with dar al-harb is hijrah (migration). With regard to migration from dar al-harb, the fuqaha’ divided people into three categories:

    (a) Those who are obliged to migrate: they are those who are able to migrate and who cannot practise their religion openly in dar al-harb. It is obligatory upon a female even if she does not have a mahram, if she thinks she will be safe when travelling, or if the risk of travelling is less than the risk of staying in dar al-harb…

    (b) Those who are not obliged to migrate: they are those who are unable to do so, either because of sickness or because they are forced to stay in the kaafir land, or those who are weak, such as woman and children, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Except the weak ones among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan, nor are they able to direct their way”

    [al-Nisa’ 4:98]

    (c) Those for whom migration is mustahabb but not obligatory: they include those who are able to migrate but are also able to practise their religion openly in dar al-harb. It is mustahabb for such a person to migrate so that he can participate in jihad and increase the numbers of the Muslims.

    In a fatwa issued by the Standing Committee (12/50): One may also migrate from a mushrik land to another mushrik land that is less evil and where there is less danger to the Muslim, as some of the Muslims migrated from Makkah at the Prophet’s command to Abyssinia.

    We ask Allaah to set the Muslims’ affairs straight.
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    Just from fiqh standard of point, Dawa is Fard Kifaya , practing our deen as avoiding Haram and do the mandatory is Fard, so if somebody cant practice their deen in any place then it is Fard to move.
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    bin Haatim he told our prophet “We did not worship them (rabbis and priests).” The Prophet replied: “Didnt they forbid what Allah permitted and you forbade it and they permitted what Allah forbade and thus you permitted it? He said “Yes.” The Prophet said,“That is how you worshipped them" (Hassan)

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    BD is Bangladesh,
    Islam came here via jihad against a tyrant
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shah_Jalal

    How to avoid collective shirk? The answer and its burden are not easy.
    They are however in the Quran.

    to live in a community where the best one can usually do is dislike evil and walk away out of the fear of causing a backlash and fitnah is an example of the weakest part of iman,
    Even some of the so called Muslims condemn those who (ghayyirhu bi yadaih) And fight against the killers of millions of Muslims, because obviously Muslims living under non Muslim rule and without Muslim backing have to take into consideration the perception of their colleagues and boss and neighbours and society in general. As we saw in the example of that "drummer" who killed Muslims and was punished.

    In a Muslim majority population they'll perceive it very differently, and sometimes come out celebrating, coz they feel the sting of the lash and don't care about how the aggressor qawm may perceive them. Most people around them are Muslim and they think with that kind of collective mindset.

    Another thing I did notice in the uk was the tendency of of Muslim leaders to say "we", not we as in the alliance of believers, but we as in the geographical alliance of a cocktail of people within a border, within which borders kufr is the status quo and kufr is the head.
    Comments from Muslim leaders like "we shouldn't have killed awlaki as it will make him a martyr" we this we that,
    We - the secular (god rejecting) people.
    It's quite ironic when those referred to as "we", say in their newspapers, "if you don't like it why not do that in your own country? even if you're born in the uk and live in the uk, the only distinction is that you are a stranger because you are a Muslim.

    Explaining to them that most Muslim lands have western controlled puppets in the seat is quite futile, but there does come a time when one comes ro the understanding that they wouldnt hear this among muslims, and makes a conscious decision to move to live amongst believers who won't dream of asking such a ridiculous question.

    O ye who believe! take not for friends and protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those who reject Faith; but fear ye Allah, if ye have faith (indeed).
    Quran 5:57

    لا يَتَّخِذِ المُؤمِنونَ الكٰفِرينَ أَولِياءَ مِن دونِ المُؤمِنينَ ۖ وَمَن يَفعَل ذٰلِكَ فَلَيسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فى شَيءٍ إِلّا أَن تَتَّقوا مِنهُم تُقىٰةً ۗ وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفسَهُ ۗ وَإِلَى اللَّهِ المَصيرُ

    Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.

    Quran 3:28


    إِنَّما وَلِيُّكُمُ اللَّهُ وَرَسولُهُ وَالَّذينَ ءامَنُوا الَّذينَ يُقيمونَ الصَّلوٰةَ وَيُؤتونَ الزَّكوٰةَ وَهُم رٰكِعونَ

    Your (real) friends are (no less than) Allah, His Messenger, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship).

    Quran 5:55


    Even people who have no faith understand the necessity of this concept as can be seen in the u.s declaration of independence.

    Here's a nice vid explaining some of the pros and cons:

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WJjW1LT...%3DWJjW1LTTIkU

    I recall that Moses pbuh and the children of Israel (when they were believers) left Egypt with all it's tall buildings and amenities, they didn't move straight into a khilafah, they became a tight knit community -a majority, and fought to establish a khilafah,
    And even recently (with Britain and Americas cuddling) and the prodding of the zionists, they left the lands in which they were scattered minorities and built an infidel run state.

    I believe it's possible to do more in a collective effort than in a scattered haphazard set of I disciplined plan less community, i hope Allah gives us the ability to re-establish His rule and kingdom, maybe He took it away before since it was a kingdom of men fraudulently using His name.
    and Allah knows best
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