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    Assalamu Alaikum

    This is your chance to ask about anything that has to do with the country. I've lived here for a few years now, and I'm no expert by any means of course, but I've learned a lot about the life and people here. There's A LOT of misconceptions, even I had some before moving here, but it's quite different than what I expected. So if anyone is interested in knowing more about this country through my experiences, ask away!
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    Salam. How do you regard women's contribution to socio-economic life? Good enough?
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    How do they view foreigners that come there? How is it to live Islam over there?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Salam. How do you regard women's contribution to socio-economic life? Good enough?
    Can you be more specific with your question?

    Women here can contribute a lot more than they're given opportunities to in regards to jobs. The occupations that they work in are usually stereotypically female oriented such as healthcare (nurses, doctors), teachers, secretaries, etc. Though there are some exceptions. In the US, where I grew up, women are allowed to really work in whatever sector they want. They can be construction workers, waitresses, CEO's etc. I don't think women here have those opportunities, but I also don't think they would want those jobs in the first place. There are some Saudi women who own large businesses, but usually they come from rich families so they are given an advantage over the majority of other women to have such a luxury. Social media is also quite popular and helpful for the average Saudi woman. It helps them start their own businesses in that respect, especially those who work from home. For example, some do catering and they advertise themselves on social media. In regards to the economy, women are huge spenders here. They shop quite a bit. Malls are everywhere, so they try to keep up with the trends and they spend a lot (on things like fancy platters and tea sets) to entertain guests. Funnily enough, some Saudi women own cars even, but of course cannot drive them. Although they are restricted in some aspects, I find them quite spoiled for the most part.

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    How do they view foreigners that come there? How is it to live Islam over there?

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    Saudis have the opportunity to study outside of Saudi for full scholarships, and many of them do. So they are exposed to other cultures through that. Many of them also travel during the summer (probably cuz it gets soo hot here). And believe it or not (I couldn't believe it!) there are sooo many foreigners, even westerners who have been living here for years and years. So I don't think its strange at all for them to be around foreigners. Although, I do think that it depends sometimes on where the foreigner is from too, and what the context of the situation is. In general though, say you're at a restaurant or something, everyone is treated the same. But if you're an employee at a private school, westerners are treated better whereas desis are considered inferior due to their accent and strict ways of teaching. Another thing is that saudis are really private. So if you come here and you don't know anyone, you might feel lonely in the beginning, especially as a single man lol. Single men live in separate neighborhoods in men-only buildings, and I think because there's a language barrier, men of the same ethnicity/nationality generally flock together.

    Mashallah I really love the Islamic atmosphere here. It's not like any other islamic country. Imagine you're at a gas/petrol station, and adhan starts, so the station and all other businesses shut down and you see brothers of all different kinds line up together and start praying together. It's something really beautiful. I also love it when I see little kids and their older siblings running to the masjid for salaah . In nearly every business, whether its a mall, restaurant, grocery store, there is a prayer room available each for men and women. Another advantage is the food...everything is halal mashallah. Even huge corporations that don't have halal available in the west, are halal here. There's also having madinah and makkah nearby. The only downside is that even though it's an islamic country, you'd expect people to be more religious and more aware. I feel that foreigners have more love for this country due to its religious significance than the Saudis do lol.
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    Wa alaykum assalam,

    JazakAllah khayr for this interesting thread, I've always seen myself as spending maybe a few months there just to see how life is like- I so want to spend some time studying in Madina in'sha'Allah!

    So is it true that women need to have a mahram with them whenever they go somewhere and how strictly is that enforced?

    Also, how is it when it comes to recreational activities, especially for women, other than shopping? I'm quite good at keeping myself entertained but an aunt who lived there (as a housewife) said she couldn't stand it after a while, lol, as there's nothing to do.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    Assalamu Alaikum

    This is your chance to ask about anything that has to do with the country. I've lived here for a few years now, and I'm no expert by any means of course, but I've learned a lot about the life and people here. There's A LOT of misconceptions, even I had some before moving here, but it's quite different than what I expected. So if anyone is interested in knowing more about this country through my experiences, ask away!
    Do they allow me to move there and become a citizen I wanted to live there but my dad says they don't let people immigrate also if I live there I can go to Makkah at any time for ummrah right?
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    Also if I do all of my school and college work in America do I get to keep my degree over there for workOh
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    format_quote Originally Posted by noraina View Post
    So is it true that women need to have a mahram with them whenever they go somewhere and how strictly is that enforced?
    There's this really big misconception that women here are not allowed to leave their houses or go anywhere without a mahrem. It's not true. Saudi really caters to the women here. Where they may lack giving them something, they replace it with something else (eg. they can't drive, but allowed to sponsor foreign drivers). So when women are out, say they want to go to the mall, the malls here allow women and families (husband + wife + kids) to shop freely, but if a group of teenage boys or any man without a family wants to shop as well, they are denied entry. This is to protect the women from having to deal with harassment from single men. Most large establishments where people like to go to waste time and loiter around are like that. However, places like grocery stores, pharmacies (where you're actually going cuz you're in need of something) are not. Secondly, having drivers or using taxis are utilized by many women here to go to work, school, and other necessary places. They don't need to have a mahrem with them to utilize them. That goes without saying though, if you want to go out and your dad says no, then you can't go out I think that runs in any household.

    So then, what is this huge rumour all about then?? THe rumor is about women who want to leave the country. Any woman who wants to leave, has to have permission from her mahrem. What that means is, there is actually a governmental online system, where the mahrem fills out an application that basically says "My wife/daughter is allowed to leave the country with my knowledge" So whenever they are flying or crossing the border, the mahrem is notified that they have left via a text message (if he is not with them). Also, there are hotels here that require one to show his "family card" to prove that the female with him is his mother/sister. It's a governmental issued card that lists the names and relationships of the family members in the first degree. This is to limit any hanky panky that may go on if a woman and a man are trying to get a hotel room and commit some haram lol. Every individual household has their own rules though, so some families may be a lot more strict in allowing female members to leave or go anywhere without a mahrem. However, it's purely individual and it's not really enforced by the government. I also want to add that there are many nonMuslim women who reside here on their own. NonMuslim westerner women who are sponsored by companies or private international schools are given housing, drivers, and anything they need really to live here on their own. When they want to leave the country, then it's their sponsor who has to give the permission to do so in that situation. They can't go anywhere without it.


    format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23 View Post
    Do they allow me to move there and become a citizen I wanted to live there but my dad says they don't let people immigrate also if I live there I can go to Makkah at any time for ummrah right?
    You can't become a citizen that easily, but you can move here with reason (ie. for work/business purposes) or if you're the son/daughter of someone who is sponsored to come there. Even women/men who have been married to Saudis for years have difficulties getting the citizenship. However, Saudi is in the works of making it easier for people to come and stay (with a price), they're thinking of having something similar to the US green card. Also, rumor has it that they may even be opening Saudi for tourism as well. My friend's father was given the opportunity to get the Saudi citizenship. He's worked there for years and years and I guess he was highly respected so they offered it to him, but he refused it. So it can happen, but you really, really have to earn it, and most likely it will be after years and years of residing there.

    To go to Umrah, you have to get a visa to travel there first. I think they are more lenient with allowing people to come for Umrah whenever they want. (Tip: Come during the winter months Dec-Feb). For hajj though, it can be more difficult and a lot more expensive because you have masses and masses of people coming from every country. There's actually a limit on how many people are allowed to come from each country (including Saudis I think) so that they can ensure every country is given a chance to perform hajj.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23 View Post
    Also if I do all of my school and college work in America do I get to keep my degree over there for workOh
    Sorry, missed this question. Yes, all your schoolwork is valid if it's from the US. When you want to come here to work though, your certificates have to be notarized by the Saudi Embassy in the US. When you are hired for a job, I think they walk you through what is required of you in regards to the necessary documents and visa processing .
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    format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    There's this really big misconception that women here are not allowed to leave their houses or go anywhere without a mahrem. It's not true. Saudi really caters to the women here. Where they may lack giving them something, they replace it with something else (eg. they can't drive, but allowed to sponsor foreign drivers). So when women are out, say they want to go to the mall, the malls here allow women and families (husband + wife + kids) to shop freely, but if a group of teenage boys or any man without a family wants to shop as well, they are denied entry. This is to protect the women from having to deal with harassment from single men. Most large establishments where people like to go to waste time and loiter around are like that. However, places like grocery stores, pharmacies (where you're actually going cuz you're in need of something) are not. Secondly, having drivers or using taxis are utilized by many women here to go to work, school, and other necessary places. They don't need to have a mahrem with them to utilize them. That goes without saying though, if you want to go out and your dad says no, then you can't go out I think that runs in any household.

    So then, what is this huge rumour all about then?? THe rumor is about women who want to leave the country. Any woman who wants to leave, has to have permission from her mahrem. What that means is, there is actually a governmental online system, where the mahrem fills out an application that basically says "My wife/daughter is allowed to leave the country with my knowledge" So whenever they are flying or crossing the border, the mahrem is notified that they have left via a text message (if he is not with them). Also, there are hotels here that require one to show his "family card" to prove that the female with him is his mother/sister. It's a governmental issued card that lists the names and relationships of the family members in the first degree. This is to limit any hanky panky that may go on if a woman and a man are trying to get a hotel room and commit some haram lol. Every individual household has their own rules though, so some families may be a lot more strict in allowing female members to leave or go anywhere without a mahrem. However, it's purely individual and it's not really enforced by the government. I also want to add that there are many nonMuslim women who reside here on their own. NonMuslim westerner women who are sponsored by companies or private international schools are given housing, drivers, and anything they need really to live here on their own. When they want to leave the country, then it's their sponsor who has to give the permission to do so in that situation. They can't go anywhere without it.
    That's really interesting because I have always assumed you cannot leave the house at all unless you have a mahram with you. Just goes to show how much we can be influenced by those media reports and 'rumours' circulating about Saudi Arabia.

    And well, if your dad says no, then it means NO. I'm quite sure the vast majority of us are familiar with that.

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    Can media speak freely against government?
    Publicly speaking against the government leads to dissent and Allah says, وَالْفِتْنَةُ أَشَدُّ مِنَ الْقَتْلِ ... and fitnah is worse than killing [2:191].

    Someone asked the grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia why he did not speak with the rulers or advise them. He said, who says he does not speak with them? He said he does speak with them and regularly advises them but he does so privately. Not only him, there are other scholars who advice them as well. But all in privacy and they don't have to announce anything to the public.

    Why? Because one who advises privately is the well wisher, and the one who publicly comments against them is the mischief monger.


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    Bukhari book 88 has the particular ahadeeth about the "ruler and his rights".

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    BTW, I don't want this thread to get too political as it's more about the life and people here in general, like things to expect if someone were to live, work, or visit KSA. If anyone is interested, I can move some posts around into a new thread related to the political aspects of Saudi.

    Edit: All political posts have been deleted to keep the focus on travel and life in KSA.
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    As there are so many nationalities living there, how is it in terms of integration? Do non-Saudi citizen keep themselves to themselves, e.g. do they tend to live in certain neighbourhoods?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Zeal View Post
    What are the best places to visit besides those in Makkah and Madinah?
    I will inshallah go into more details about this because Saudi is huge and there are some beautiful hidden places many don't really know or hear about.

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    As there are so many nationalities living there, how is it in terms of integration? Do non-Saudi citizen keep themselves to themselves, e.g. do they tend to live in certain neighbourhoods?
    Those who come with families from other countries to work, usually are given a place to live by their sponsor. This means they will live in compounds owned by the company they work for (usually a gated, private community), flats (also owned by the company), or they are compensated and they choose their own living arrangements. Those who are single will generally share their flats with other single men in a building specifically for single men. The buildings are usually away from typical family residential areas and are often closer to the workplace where they are sponsored. The compounds are completely gated and are for those who are working for huge companies where they get paid well.

    So then we get to those who can choose where to live. Depending on their salaries and how much they are given, most people that are here for work will try to save money because they do not plan on staying forever. You will find their communities in middle-low to low class neighborhoods due to the lower rent costs. They typically live around people of their own ethnicity too. Those who have more money will live in middle-class homes or choose a more affluent compound where again, they will probably gravitate towards those who they can relate to. Then you have the Saudis, who typically live in middle class homes to high class villas which are each in their own separate neighborhoods. Every house here is completely walled for privacy and I think that gives a different type of vibe than say villages in other countries or neighborhoods in the west where you interact with your neighbors or at least see them on a regular basis. I think there is a lot more isolation when someone works in a city that is very conservative and majorly Saudi.

    With that being said, I don't think anyone purposely or intentionally segregates themselves from any community. It's just a result of the way they are living, language barriers, cultural differences and busy lifestyle. Places where integration starts is in international schools, but those are expensive. There are also private schools directed only towards certain ethnicities, because families still want their kids to be in touch with their culture, even though governmental schools are free. Many of the nonSaudis that live here, are here due to work. However, on the weekend when most are off from work, you see more communities gathered together at parks, festivals, shopping centers, and the like. No one is forced to live anywhere specifically, it just has more to do with where they can afford to live and what accommodates them best.

    This is at least what I have experienced where I live, but I think that places like Jeddah are a lot more open, with much more culture, so there's probably a lot more interaction going on.
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    What are the best places to visit besides those in Makkah and Madinah?
    This is a beautiful place in the northwest of Saudi called Haql. I've not been there yet, hoping to go soon inshallah, but someone I know shared a video of their trip there and it was breathtaking!

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    If you like mountains, you'll have to visit Abha. It doesn't just have mountains though..there's a lot of green too. Here's Imagination Park:

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    Here's a waterfall called Shalal al Dahna:

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    Here are some of my pics from when I went:

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    And sometimes, randomly, you'll pass by a swarm of baboons:

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    Abha has more conservative Saudis. They also have their own type of culture where they dress quite differently from the Saudis we're used to seeing. Abha also borders Yemen.

    In Saudi they also have beaches which are locally called "Cornaish." You'll find families here bbq'ing and spending time together.

    I gathered some pics of the Dammam Cornaish which is in the Eastern Province of Saudi Arabia:

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    Inshallah I'll discuss some more places later But I hope this sparks your interest for now!
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    Beautiful photographs!

    Thanks....
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    Isn't the current "traditional clothing" that Saudis wear more in line with the Jews instead how they wore clothing back 14 centries ago?. You now a days see them like a white cloth falling down from their heads while in the past you only saw some Turban kind of style.

    So my question is where does this new style come from? Or brought in to fashion by whom?
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