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    Niqâb during Hajj!

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    Why isn't it allowed to wear niqâb during hajj..? You would think it would be more recommended since so many people, men and women are mixed..

    Insha Allâh someone can explain it to me, barak Allâhu fîkum..



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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    ^ Well, I personally dont know exactly why, But it's probably just one of the rulings that we dont know the reason of and we just take it as how the Hadeeth comes, when Rasulullah peace be upon him said " Wa laa tantaqib al mar2ah wa laa talbis alqoffaaz " And the woman should not wear the Niqaab and she should not wear gloves.

    But we know in the hadeeth of Aisha she said that whilst they were in Hajj, whenever they saw a man approaching they would pull their khimar to cover their face until he passed.......but ofcourse that's impossible in todays situation
    I'm sorry Ukhti I wasn't much help :X

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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    salaam,

    "Women must uncover their faces and hands when they enter ihraam for Hajj or ‘Umrah. At this time, they are forbidden to wear niqaab and gloves, because the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The woman who is in ihraam must not wear niqaab or gloves.”

    If a woman needs to cover her face because men are passing close by her, or she is beautiful and is sure that men are looking at her, she should drop a part of head covering over her face, because of the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah in which she said, “Riders were passing by us, and we were in ihraam with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so when they came near, each of us would lower her jilbaab over her face, and when they went away we would uncover our faces again.”


    and this is a story which my mum told me....lol

    Naz's mum : a husband had gone to Hajj with his wife....and as other women had done his wife had worn the full niqaab. the husband grabbed another woman by the arm thinking it was his wife...but it wasnt her. so thats one of the reasons why you dont wear the niqaab for that prescribed time inshAllah.

    but Allahu Alam about that ^^^^

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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    ^ LOL Nazia the sammmmmeee thing happened to me and my dad duringst Hajj season (we were just at the airport though ) He walked up to this other woman and was like " Come hurry up!! we have to board the plane now!! " and he was coming up to the lady and was about to grab her hand, good thing I saw him and called out to him in time


    Oh, but we shouldn't say that Niqab was forbidden for that reason Naz because we really dont know.

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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    salaam,

    ^^^ lol true say, people dont think that its true and 100% right....cos i just think it might be folks tale

    Allahu Alam as to what the reason may be....

    and lol good thing you had spotted your dad!

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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    ^^^^^

    Masha'Allah we have fatwas coming in left and right without knowledge on the proper ruling of Niqab in Hajj.
    The Hadeeth does not say 'do not' wear Niqab. It translates to the cloth not touching the face of the woman. And for those who love Allah and His Shari'a have figured out a way of concealing the most beautiful part of a woman's body i.e. the face and not letting the cloth touch their face at the same time. Alhamdulillah.

    Also many scholars recommend that the women should perform Hajj only once in their life time because of the fitnah that is caused because of them.

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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!



    although the niqab worn everyday isnt worn hajj time women must not wear niqab. but it dont mean dont cover the face. the women in the time of muhammed lowered their scarves over their faces. you can do the same today.
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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!



    It is not my place to pass a judgement on a matter such as this for it is beyond my understanding but i did persue a scholar's judgement on the issue and the below remark is significant.

    Regarding the face covering for women some scholars said that it's permissible to cover the face if there are men based on the incident of Aisha Radiallahu Anha where she said that she used to cover her face once men passed by.
    I don't believe it's permissible for women to cover their faces as the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam said: "The woman is not to put her niqab on during Ihram".
    So here's a hadith from the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam Vs. an action of Aisha Radiallahu Anha and we're commanded to follow the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam.
    Also, the famous story of Al Fadl Ibn Abbas Radiallahu Anhuma and the woman who asked the Messenger Sallallahualaihi wasallam. The Prophet Sallallahualaihi Wasallam would've told her cover your face instead of turing the face of Al Fadl several times!
    The reason it's not permissible to wear niqab is because the Messenger Sallualaihi wasallam said she can't wear niqab.

    I hope that was useful Amira
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    jazakallah for the information

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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    The extent of covering has been linked to social status for millenia. Perhaps the prohibition of niqab and "gloves" (quffaz were more like mittens), were a female version of ihram- a simple dress that eliminates markers of social status. I'm not going to argue whether it was indeed forbidden during Hajj, but if it was, perhaps it was to break down barriers of social class, much like the fact that men do not conceal themselves from public view during Hajj, regardless of their status, but when they return to normal life, no one gets to see them without intermediaries.
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    Exclamation Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    I have an opinion on Niqaab which I dont actually have on me right now as Im at work however... there are always reasons behind certain rules...

    Women can wear a cap style veil which I saw in Umrah but again there are differences of opinion on this matter...

    The Prophet (pbuh) said you cannot wear a niqaab during Hajj because Hajj is like when you will be in Paradise you will not need to cover yourself then as you will be focused mainly on Allah (swt) and you will not be looking elsewhere... i.e. opposite genders... (its in one of my hadiths ... Sahih al-Burkhari ... ill reference when i get the chance to get home)

    There are ALWAYS REASONS for a rule in Islam, the prophet (pbuh) didnt make up rules as he went along... theres a reason why Hadiths were made... the prophet also said pass on my messages of islam (dawah) to others to learn and implement... [again Burkhari]

    During Ihram it is recommended not to wer niqaab... in fact I dont think niqaab is even fard upon women...even though alot of Alimahs and Saudi women wear it... even Men have Hijab...!

    Niqaab is not clearly mentioned in the Hadith nor Quran... it is merely the schalors decision to decide and this is also very debatable as there are too many differences of opinion... but of course theres common sense too... the Hadith mentions veils and covering yourself up yes but there is no SPECIFIC covering that is mentioned.... Hijab and Jilbab would be very ideal Niqaab is optional in a sense of sunnah not fard...

    In many countries not many older women tend to wear the niqaab however younger women do due to beauty... this has occured in many arab countries also including the Western countries...

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    Can I just say this is quite a topic to discuss I will not say you are right or wrong.

    In my own personal opinion, women would at least wear a Hijab and maybe jilbab (or what ever loose garment). The Niqaab is also important, but it’s the modern society around us today that has changed people’s opinions on these very issues.

    In Saudi its ok to wear a Niqaab as its compulsory but in the UK women have to not only have intentions but also courage and be brave on wearing it as you should know that these silly suicide bombers trying to portray Islam in a bad way and in turn back lashed into our own communities.

    As a Muslim I'd be more worried about our Sisters out there alone in Niqaab as people (non-Muslims) would abuse their Niqaab as a terrorist garment then anything else. If I were to avoid this situation I would say women would not have to wear the Niqaab unless they themselves feel comfortable. The Niqaab in this country is more out standing then in Saudi.

    Its not about the Government its about the modern society as a whole and the lives we live in are forever changing and if we are to live here we should not only use common sense but also intentions to do the right things at the right time.

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    I understand the Quran and Hadith, but there comes a point in life where you must think about the modern era. The prophet’s (pbuh) time has come and gone (even though we must follow his path) we must think about the implications it will follow and about our Brothers and Sisters too. For example, suicide bombings are totally forbidden; yet some people carry it out, this kind of scenario leads to our own Ummah getting punished for their crimes. So my only hope is that Ill pray for our Muslim Sisters, Ameen.

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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    ASALAOMOALAIKUM
    it is to say that ...niqab is obligatory/ compulsory for every muslim women who performz hajj and umra ...yes indeed it is not allowed in the islamic shariah that no cloth should touch the face of muslim women but the shariat never said that women are allowed to not hide their face ....if u see the women of saudia arabia performing hajj and umra u will clearly see that they hang a piece of cloth which does not touch their face. So from where i studied it is obligatory for a women to use that cloth to hide her face.
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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    Quote Originally Posted by ..MariAm.. View Post
    ASALAOMOALAIKUM
    It is to say that ...niqab is obligatory/ compulsory for every muslim women who performz hajj and umra ...yes indeed it is not allowed in the islamic shariah that no cloth should touch the face of muslim women but the shariat never said that women are allowed to not hide their face ....if u see the women of saudia arabia performing hajj and umra u will clearly see that they hang a piece of cloth which does not touch their face. So from where i studied it is obligatory for a women to use that cloth to hide her face.
    jazakullah
    Thats exactly what I meant... but is a Niqaab fard upon women!?

    I mean Hijab we know is but is there any Hadith that SPECIFICALLY states niqaab as fard or merely sunnah... as Ive always read it as Sunnah... in some countries its so badly politically messed up that niqaab would be an intimidation and therefore sisters get attack... in this scenario I wouldnt recommend it... common sense!
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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    Quote Originally Posted by ..MariAm.. View Post
    ASALAOMOALAIKUM
    it is to say that ...niqab is obligatory/ compulsory for every muslim women who performz hajj and umra ...yes indeed it is not allowed in the islamic shariah that no cloth should touch the face of muslim women but the shariat never said that women are allowed to not hide their face ....if u see the women of saudia arabia performing hajj and umra u will clearly see that they hang a piece of cloth which does not touch their face. So from where i studied it is obligatory for a women to use that cloth to hide her face.
    jazakullah

    the bold part.
    can you explain. i remember reading with regards to this and the scholar said there is no basis and nothing in hadith saying anything with regards to this hence is just inconveniencing a person
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    The muhrimah should not uncover her face or hands in front of non-mahram men using the excuse that the niqaab and gloves are among the things that are forbidden in ihraam, because they can cover their faces and hands with anything such as their clothes, scarves, etc. Umm al-Mu’mineen ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in ihraam. When they came alongside us we would lower our jilbaabs from our heads over our faces, and when they had passed by we would uncover them.” Narrated by Abu Dawood and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Hijaab al-Mar’ah al-Muslimah.

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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    asalamoalaikum
    check out the ayat number 59 of surah al-ahzaab, ayat number 55 of surah al-ahzaab, ayat number 31 of surah al-noor....... so u will make urselv clear .... and when it comes to this that y is it not allowed for a muslim women to let a cloth touch her face .....u cant ask y ?? itz just a rule of shariah ..and secondly i m not aware of the reason ...of it .....i just learned and know and have done ....this that itz compulsory for a muslim women to cover her face by hanging a cloth over her face and when it comes to this hadith narrated by hazrat ayesha (ra) just look into the explanation it clearly sayz that yes she did hide her face when she passed by a non-mehram but she used to lower her jilbab...by lowering it, the cloth dint touched her face .....
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    yes sis but is there any proof that the cloth cant touch the face?
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    Re: Niqâb during Hajj!

    Actually if we look at the hadeeth saying that it's haram for women to cover the face you will see that Rasululllah used the word "Niqaab".
    Niqaab in Arabic means a cloth pulled close around the face hence touching it, which is why it can be said when a man wears his Imaamah around his face that he is putting "Niqaab" across his face.
    So the Ulama who say that you should cover your face whilst making Hajj with a loose piece of cloth say this because they said that Rasululllah only stated "niqaab" and didn't say "do not cover"

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    jazakAllah khair sis. so umm does that mean the cloth covering the face cant touch the face?
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