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    Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU. (OP)


    By Tariq Ramadan

    Sarkozy's argument won't wash. This great nation, a crucial link with the Muslim world, would be a major asset for the union.


    When on his recent visit to Turkey President Obama called for Turkish entry into the European Union, he put his finger on a strategic and cultural sore spot. The French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, speaking for the majority position in Europe, was quick to respond: Turkey may one day enjoy a privileged relationship with the EU, but full membership is out of the question. Turkey is not European – geographically or culturally.

    Interpretations of the US stance are numerous and contradictory, but they highlight deep tensions within Europe on the issue. Some believe the US is concerned primarily with securing access to the energy reserves of the Caspian basin; others suspect Washington of using Turkish alignment with American policy (by way of Nato) to exert pressure on its European allies; still others see an attempt to weaken Europe by placing a Turkish economic, demographic and cultural millstone around its neck.

    None of these hypotheses is wholly accurate or inaccurate. Nevertheless, they do reveal Europe's continuing contortions over its identity and its future. The Turkish question rarely figures in the foreground of European debate today, yet its spectre hovers over discussions of "European identity", "immigration" and the "Muslim question".

    Political parties that call for an increasingly narrow view of Europe are gaining ground. These parties promote a strictly Judeo-Christian perspective of European history, mistrust of Islam, repressive hardline immigration policies and reject a Turkey they claim is overpopulated and excessively Muslim.

    Europeans have become fearful. Economic crisis has brought with it calls for greater security and for protection of purchasing power, and from "foreigners" and "immigrants", who are seen as threatening financial stability and cultural homogeneity. Seen from this perspective, the Turkish question reveals both centripetal (a sense of "standing together" against outside threats) and centrifugal (a lack of shared strategic or foreign policy orientations) forces within the EU.

    The arguments that locate Turkey outside European history and geography cannot withstand analysis. For more than four centuries the Ottoman empire shared and shaped the political and strategic future of the continent. During the late 19th and early 20th century, it became the "sick man of Europe". Even today, Turkey's historical and economic influence continues to be substantial.

    No one is likely to be fooled by attempts to redraw the geographical boundaries of Europe for ideological or political purposes. If we were to apply the same criteria across the board, Cyprus would not be part of Europe. Such artificial distinctions ignore history, just as they ignore the realities of European society itself, where national origins, memories and cultures have long met and blended. Approximately 40% of Turkey's population is of European origin; millions of Turks have already acquired the nationality of a European country.

    We must look elsewhere for the real issues, and we must look them in the eye. Instead of being obsessed by the question of culture and religion, European leaders would be better advised to develop a forward-looking strategic vision. Given its close ties with Iran, Syria, Iraq and central Asia, Turkey simply cannot be ignored. Its economic and military clout should be integrated into a European policy based on good-neighbourly relations and stability in Asia and the Middle East.

    On two recent occasions the Turkish government has refused to bow to Washington, demonstrating a distinct capacity for independent action. Europe can hardly fault the US for its unilateral behaviour while failing to develop an autonomous foreign policy of its own. Where there should be a unified European voice, there is a discordant chorus. The US, China and India have no reason to fear European power. Divided, lacking a common policy, Europe succeeds only in working against itself.

    Meanwhile, commercial ties between Turkey and the European countries have continued to expand. Between 1990 and 2003, Turkish imports from Europe grew threefold, while exports quadrupled. Better trade management within the framework of an EU-wide economic policy should make these ties stronger and more competitive. The countries of Europe are facing an acute, long-term manpower shortage. Writing in internal EU publications, some specialists now argue the labour market will require an additional 15 million workers in the next 20 years. Europe needs immigration. Instead of adopting restrictive immigration policies that would criminalise both undocumented and legal immigrants, the EU should be moving toward realistic and responsible regulation. In this light Turkey, with its human resources, would prove a powerful ally.

    It is time for the countries of Europe to overcome their fear of Islam; time for them to stop turning Turkish EU membership into a cultural battleground. The only criteria to membership should be those of Copenhagen (1993) – and a European commission report (2004) mentioned that Turkey is very close to satisfying them. European politicians are ready to ignore their countries' long-term socioeconomic needs in order to respond to the short-term religious and cultural fears of their constituencies. Millions of women and men are already European and Muslim; Turkish EU membership would be nothing new, and present no dangers. Islam is, de facto, a European religion; culturally, politically and economically, Turkey forms an integral part of its future.

    We need courageous European politicians who will develop a new vision of Turkish-EU relations, who will remind their citizens that Turkey, by virtue of its economic power, geography, history and natural position as go-between with the "Muslim world", is a major asset for Europe and for its future. Instead of waiting until historical necessity forces the EU to incorporate Turkey, European statesmen should be working together to develop a clear, reasonable policy leading to Turkish membership – one that would respect political principles and recognise cultural and religious diversity. Welcoming Turkey into the EU would mean Europe would have to reconcile itself with its own principles: the principles it has all too often betrayed in practice.

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    Tariq Ramadan is a Professor of Islamic Studies. He teaches at Oxford and at Erasmus University.
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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

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    I believe that the problem is (officially) the human rights record of Turkey, the primary problem is Greece, the Greekas and the Turks have been enemies for millenia (literally) and the Greeks have too many allies in the council to allow them in

    Second. The Turkish invasion of Cyprus (just for information) was mandated by the Tripartite pact of 1958 between Greece, Turkey and the UK. It was prompted by EOKA B under a Colonel Grivas who wanted enosis (union with Greece) who tried to force the union by taking over the government.

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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
    Because the reason they want in to the EU is because they want to migrate to the UK and as soon as they get to the UK they want to change the culture of the country to same culture that caused the country the left to fail.
    You're ranting again...

    Only rants don't make sense and don't agree with the facts, which are thus:

    All this 'culture-changing' malarkey is due not to first generation immigrants from whicever country, but rather it is due to some of their descendants, who were born in 'The West'*, and have developed an identity crisis of sort.

    *In the context of geo-politics, I loathe these 'East' and 'West' terms. Last I checked, the Iron Curtain was officially torn down in the late 80s/early 90s.

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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    thinker is still living in Iron curtain age - very dangerous - he also forgets that pakistan was in the fight against afganistan long before Turkey - all thanks to the bullying of the US and it tyranical friends.
    Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
    Turkey is a member of Nato – I stand corrected And Turkey has troops in Afghanistan . . . .

    FM Ismail Cem says in an interview Ankara will deploy 90 special forces troops to Afghanistan. (This will make Turkey the first Muslim nation to join the US-led attacks on the Taliban

    I find myself with an overwhelming urge to wave the Turkish flag – well done Turkey

    you still havent told me how afganistan would become more stable with more troops and militery power in afghanistan - thats just going fuel more support for al qeada and the taliban and make it even more dangerous.
    Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

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    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zafran View Post
    you still havent told me how afganistan would become more stable with more troops and militery power in afghanistan - thats just going fuel more support for al qeada and the taliban and make it even more dangerous.
    The world would be more stable because it would then not be a non-Muslims v Muslim thing but a union of nations fighting against crime, terrorism and repression.

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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
    The world would be more stable because it would then not be a non-Muslims v Muslim thing but a union of nations fighting against crime, terrorism and repression.
    ???

    a bit like the pakistanis and americans murdering people in Pakistan - how has that helped anybody and made the world a better place????? Thats exactly what the terrorist have done - they think they can "fight" there way - whne in fact its made it even worse.
    Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Do you think the pious don't sin?

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    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
    The world would be more stable because it would then not be a non-Muslims v Muslim thing but a union of nations fighting against crime, terrorism and repression.
    These problems have existed right before September 11th and it was due to meddling in other countries internal affairs, past wars and unresolved conflicts. For you to sum it up as non-Muslims V Muslim is very naive.

    There will never be a more stable world until people start to actually look at their past mistakes. Find out the direct source of the problem, find out how it has escalated, find a solution to the problem and make sure it does not happen again.

    Fighting fire with fire will not work here. How many people will have to be killed for the Western government to realise this?
    Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Guestfellow View Post
    These problems have existed right before September 11th and it was due to meddling in other countries internal affairs, past wars and unresolved conflicts. For you to sum it up as non-Muslims V Muslim is very naive.
    I'm not suggesting there is a non-Muslims v Muslim fight going on, I am suggesting that some Muslims view it that way and that Turkey putting its troops alongside other (non-Muslims) nato troops is a good thing as that weakens the argument of those saying it is.

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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
    I'm not suggesting there is a non-Muslims v Muslim fight going on, I am suggesting that some Muslims view it that way and that Turkey putting its troops alongside other (non-Muslims) nato troops is a good thing as that weakens the argument of those saying it is.
    how is that going to make anything stable in the world - you do understand that it hasnt with other "muslim" countries.
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    Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
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    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim

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    Re: Turkey is part of Europe. Fear keeps it out of the EU.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thinker View Post
    I'm not suggesting there is a non-Muslims v Muslim fight going on, I am suggesting that some Muslims view it that way and that Turkey putting its troops alongside other (non-Muslims) nato troops is a good thing as that weakens the argument of those saying it is.
    Those who think it is a non-Muslim vs Muslim thing would see this as further evidence supporting their hypothesis. They would simply cast Turkey as a traitor.


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