This is the 'dome' outside the Dome of the Rock I was referring to. It is architectural genius in my opinion, a mini dome right next to the golden dome itself:
This is interesting. I never knew it was holy to Christians. But seeing as this appears to be the case, Woodrow, would you sanction personally Jewish and Christian worship on the Mount? I mean, not inside the mosque or anything, just on the mount itself.
The Mosque is the entire compound, not just the interior of the structures. I am fairly certain that for Jews it is a Moot point. I believe the Jewish belief forbids them from praying on the mount until the building of the 3rd Temple.
Now about Christians praying there. In the past it was done and never was an issue. However, I think that during this time of tension it would be best not too. From what I understand is that Currently the Israeli Government is forbidding any non-Muslims from praying there, out of fear it could increase tensions and possibly incite riots.
Historically I can not find any indication that Christians had been forbidden to pray there. The laws banning prayers seem to be very recent and did not come about until very near to the time of Arafat's Death.
Regarding Dajal:
Let's just say some people have a tendency to spread false info in order to create moral panic. It's all happened in the past. Just type the word Dajal into youtube search box and you'll get Dajal baby, Dajal Israel, Dajal India and so many other crazy suggestions.
lol.. the dajjal isn't a cyclops he is a3war.. either way, yes the israelis have been digging beanth Al-aqsa to build their third temple for the coming of the anti-christ their god and leader.. but that also will signal the end of them insha'Allah.. so whether it happens now or later it doesn't matter.. I think it is about time we reclaimed our land and mosques from those satanists anyway.. so maybe this is the catalyst!
and Allah swt knows best
When did "people of the book" turn into "satanists".
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But, another thought is if that is the case and it is destroyed by Dajjal, it means we are in the most wondrous time since Creation. We are among the final witnesses to the completion of what was created. True it will be difficult to live during the time of fitnah and will face many difficulties, but at the same time I can not think of many blessings that would be greater than living so close to the time of the Mehdi and the return of Isa(as)
I think you have lost your marbles, what makes you think that you will not be able to be tricked? "wondrous" is not the word I would use to describe it.
O my Lord,
if I worship you
from fear of hell, burn me in hell.
If I worship you
from hope of Paradise, bar me from its gates.
But if I worship you
for yourself alone, grant me then the beauty of your Face.
When did "people of the book" turn into "satanists".
I think you have lost your marbles, what makes you think that you will not be able to be tricked? "wondrous" is not the word I would use to describe it.
Of course I could easily be tricked. but at my age and being in my final years I would love to see the Mehdi and the return of Isa(as) before my last breath. to me that would be a very wondrous thing to see. Perhaps if I was younger and knew I had a possibility of having to live a long time still, I would see it different.
I've heard that once Masjid Al-Aqsa is destroyed, they will build a temple called the temple of solomon or similar and Dajjal will rule the world from there. I find this confusing though, they're aren't any hadeeth on dajjal destroying al-aqsa and recreating it to become a home/temple for him. The only thing close in my mind to Dajjal's upcoming is Syria. Once that land gets conquered he would be comming
"Nafi' b. Utba reported: We were with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) in an expedition that there came a people to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) from the direction of the west. They were dressed in woollen clothes and they stood near a hillock and they met him as Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) was sitting. I said to myself: Better go to them and stand between him and them that they may not attack him. Then I thought that perhaps there had been going on secret negotiation amongst them. I however, went to them and btood between them and him and I remember four of the words (on that occasion) which I repeat (on the fingers of my hand) that he (Allah's Messenger) said: You will attack Arabia and Allah will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack Persia and He would make you to Conquer it. Then you would attack Rome and AllgLh will enable you to conquer it, then you would attack the Dajjal and Allah will enable you to conquer him. Nafi' said: Jabir, we thought that the Dajjal would appear after Rome (Syrian territory) would be conquered. (Book #041, Hadith #6930)"
This is interesting. I never knew it was holy to Christians.
Jesus prayed on the Temple Mount, and when he healed people, he sent them to the Temple to give thanks.
It is said in Judaism and Christianity, that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son in the region of Mount Moriah. It is also said that God commanded Solomon to build the Temple Mount on Mount Moriah, this is a huge structure, a small part of it is what we know as the Wailing Wall, or Western Wall. On top of the Temple Mount, God commanded Solomon to build a Temple, that will house ‘The Ark of the Covenant’ better known for the Ten Commandments.
The Temple was destroyed, and the Two Mosques were built on top of the Temple Mount, were the Temple once stood. The Dome is said to be the place where the prophet pbuh, ascended up to heaven on his winged horse.
Many of the Christian sites in Jerusalem are in the Muslim part of Jerusalem, which is mostly surrounded by Jews.
Having been on the Temple Mount last October, it seems a troubled place, you have to queue up and be checked by Israeli security all carrying guns, and go through scanners. There is a wooden walkway that brings you up to the mount, and just laying causally against the wall are piles of full height riot shields.
The Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque were almost deserted when we were there, unlike the rest of Jerusalem, which was heaving with people.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are linked together by The Temple Mount, The Dome of the Rock, and Al-Asqa Mosque, but where is God amongst all this diversity? why did he place us all together on this one place?
In the spirit of searching for God
Eric
You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.
lol.. the dajjal isn't a cyclops he is a3war.. either way, yes the israelis have been digging beanth Al-aqsa to build their third temple for the coming of the anti-christ their god and leader.. but that also will signal the end of them insha'Allah.. so whether it happens now or later it doesn't matter.. I think it is about time we reclaimed our land and mosques from those satanists anyway.. so maybe this is the catalyst!
and Allah swt knows best
The hadith mentions that the Dajjal is a person with one eye
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: "Allah's Apostle said. 'While I was sleeping, I saw myself (in a dream) performing Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Behold, I saw a reddish-white man with lank hair, and water was dropping from his head. I asked, "Who is this?' They(angel jibreel) replied, 'The son of Mary.'
Then I turned my face to see another man with a huge body, red complexion and curly hair and blind in one eye. His eye looked like a protruding out grape. They said (to me), He is Ad-Dajjal.' The Prophet added, 'The man he resembled most is Ibn Qatan, a man from the tribe of Khuza'a.'" (Translation of Bukhari ,book 88,volume 9,number 242)
`Abd Allah ibn `Umar narrated: Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."
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When truth is hurled at falsehood , falsehood perishes. because falsehood by its nature is bound to perish [21:18- Holy quran]
Jesus prayed on the Temple Mount, and when he healed people, he sent them to the Temple to give thanks.
It is said in Judaism and Christianity, that God commanded Abraham to sacrifice his son in the region of Mount Moriah. It is also said that God commanded Solomon to build the Temple Mount on Mount Moriah, this is a huge structure, a small part of it is what we know as the Wailing Wall, or Western Wall. On top of the Temple Mount, God commanded Solomon to build a Temple, that will house ‘The Ark of the Covenant’ better known for the Ten Commandments.
The Temple was destroyed, and the Two Mosques were built on top of the Temple Mount, were the Temple once stood. The Dome is said to be the place where the prophet pbuh, ascended up to heaven on his winged horse.
Many of the Christian sites in Jerusalem are in the Muslim part of Jerusalem, which is mostly surrounded by Jews.
Having been on the Temple Mount last October, it seems a troubled place, you have to queue up and be checked by Israeli security all carrying guns, and go through scanners. There is a wooden walkway that brings you up to the mount, and just laying causally against the wall are piles of full height riot shields.
The Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque were almost deserted when we were there, unlike the rest of Jerusalem, which was heaving with people.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam are linked together by The Temple Mount, The Dome of the Rock, and Al-Asqa Mosque, but where is God amongst all this diversity? why did he place us all together on this one place?
In the spirit of searching for God
Eric
Thank you for this Eric. The reason I did not believe Christians consider it sacred is because when the Roman Empire turned Christian, Constantine made no effort to build a church on the site like he did with other immensely holy sites in Christianity, like the church of the Nativity or the Church of the Holy Sepulchre for example. In fact, I understand the site was mostly ruins and was unused until the Arabs came. But I agree about Jerusalem being immensely holy. I intend to go there in a couple of years. Sunshine, churches and history, what's not to like?
The reason I did not believe Christians consider it sacred is because when the Roman Empire turned Christian, Constantine made no effort to build a church on the site
I guess the Temple was more of a sacred site for Judaism, but it would have had a great meaning for Jesus, because of the links to Abraham and Moses.
The Temple Mount and the Temple were built twice and torn down twice, the last time it was torn down was around 70 ad. The Temple Mount was rebuilt once more, it’s a massive foundation for the Temple, but they did not rebuild the Temple on top, because the Arc of the Covenant had disappeared. Later it is said the prophet peace be upon him, ascended to heaven from the top of the mount.
If I could work out how to put photos on here, I have some that might explain it better.
Someone on our pilgrimage described Jerusalem as a religious theme park, with endless queues. There seemed little opportunity to stop, reflect and pray at holy sites, there just always seemed to be hundreds in front, and when you got there, hundreds more behind you were waiting to take your place.
In the spirit of searching for God in Jerusalem
Eric
You will never look into the eyes of anyone who does not matter to God.
Of course I could easily be tricked. but at my age and being in my final years I would love to see the Mehdi and the return of Isa(as) before my last breath. to me that would be a very wondrous thing to see. Perhaps if I was younger and knew I had a possibility of having to live a long time still, I would see it different.
May ALLAH give u long & healthy life... even now a days ppl live above 100... No body knows when it's his/her final time.
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When did "people of the book" turn into "satanists".
She is calling satanists as "Satanists"... not all ppl of book.
These guys in power literally use jewish mysticism/magic "kabalah" to call upon jinns/satan. They have adopted a "gentleman's" style for doing that, by making these societies like Freemasonary, Skull-&-bones, Bohemian groove etc.
this thing is much common than u might think...
Watch "Rogers ... Morneau" experience with satanists.... & one below
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Quran:72:4:And that the foolish amongst us(Jinns) used to forge extravagant things against Allah:
72:6:And that persons from among men used to invoke the refuge with persons from among jinn, so they increased them in wrongdoing:
...
72:8:'And we (jinns) pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 432
Narrated 'Aisha:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The angels descend, the clouds and mention this or that matter decreed in the Heaven. The devils listen stealthily to such a matter, come down to inspire the soothsayers with it, and the latter would add to it one-hundred lies of their own."
These evil jinns ask them to do things like kill children, innocents, & indulge in adultery, homosexuality (like they hire male prostitutes at "Bohemian Groove") , reading Scriptures in wrong way, doing other filthy things & all that would break the laws of ALLAH......
Nobody is tearing anything down There is no plot, nor schemes, or agendas. You want to know how they will fall?...All of us, Christians, Muslims, and Jews are going to pick on eachother like bullies in school, then we will fight, then we'll get mad at each other and start throwing stones at God's houses and thus the buildings will fall.....Then we will all stand there and say "why the heck did we do that?" And all of us wil say "I don't know?" and hopefully we will all work together rebuilding....But...probably just wishfull thinking
But while everyone else is fighting over bricks and coloms and land.......I will be praying, begging God to accept me into Heaven ...so you can al have your buildings....I'm going up^
They are probably not tearing down...but the construction will destroy the masjid. And we islam do believe that one day the masjid will be destroyed... as mentioned in the hadith.
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
They are probably not tearing down...but the construction will destroy the masjid. And we islam do believe that one day the masjid will be destroyed... as mentioned in the hadith.
Oh, I am fully aware and do believe it will be destroyed. But by all of us. And it wont just be the Masjid, it will be all of the holy sites. We as men all think we are masters of the universe, so when we grow tired of conquering people we will start destroying evrything that matters to all the religions
Which Hadith says that? Can you qoute that for me? Or just tell me which one? The Hadith is huggggggeeeeee! Thanks
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
The hadith mentions that the Dajjal is a person with one eye
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: "Allah's Apostle said. 'While I was sleeping, I saw myself (in a dream) performing Tawaf around the Ka'ba. Behold, I saw a reddish-white man with lank hair, and water was dropping from his head. I asked, "Who is this?' They(angel jibreel) replied, 'The son of Mary.'
Then I turned my face to see another man with a huge body, red complexion and curly hair and blind in one eye. His eye looked like a protruding out grape. They said (to me), He is Ad-Dajjal.' The Prophet added, 'The man he resembled most is Ibn Qatan, a man from the tribe of Khuza'a.'" (Translation of Bukhari ,book 88,volume 9,number 242)
`Abd Allah ibn `Umar narrated: Once Allah's Apostle stood amongst the people, glorified and praised Allah as He deserved and then mentioned the Dajjal saying, "l warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed."
And there is plenty of commentary that the dajjal's one eye-ness relates to the nature of humans being both material and spiritual/intelligent creatures.
format_quote Originally Posted by sur
May ALLAH give u long & healthy life... even now a days ppl live above 100... No body knows when it's his/her final time.
She is calling satanists as "Satanists"... not all ppl of book.
These guys in power literally use jewish mysticism/magic "kabalah" to call upon jinns/satan. They have adopted a "gentleman's" style for doing that, by making these societies like Freemasonary, Skull-&-bones, Bohemian groove etc.
this thing is much common than u might think...
Watch "Rogers ... Morneau" experience with satanists.... & one below
Quran:72:4:And that the foolish amongst us(Jinns) used to forge extravagant things against Allah:
72:6:And that persons from among men used to invoke the refuge with persons from among jinn, so they increased them in wrongdoing:
...
72:8:'And we (jinns) pried into the secrets of heaven; but we found it filled with stern guards and flaming fires.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 432
Narrated 'Aisha:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The angels descend, the clouds and mention this or that matter decreed in the Heaven. The devils listen stealthily to such a matter, come down to inspire the soothsayers with it, and the latter would add to it one-hundred lies of their own."
These evil jinns ask them to do things like kill children, innocents, & indulge in adultery, homosexuality (like they hire male prostitutes at "Bohemian Groove") , reading Scriptures in wrong way, doing other filthy things & all that would break the laws of ALLAH......
She is calling Jews' satanists. I have heard every theory as to why Jews rule the world and frankly this makes less sense then most.(and is more ridiculous)
O my Lord,
if I worship you
from fear of hell, burn me in hell.
If I worship you
from hope of Paradise, bar me from its gates.
But if I worship you
for yourself alone, grant me then the beauty of your Face.
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