ah, how so sad for the opposition, and western propagandists, who really thought they were on the verge of victory, lol. just 2 months ago the times was reporting how the end was near and how the people (aka opposition) felt the government was on the verge of collapse.
perhaps the baboons within the opposition will face the reality rather than buying into the propaganda, infact you have to feel abit sorry for the opposition, would they have really decided to protest today and get humiliated as they did if the western media and other sources werent brainwashing them with so much propaganda that they were supposedly gaining all the momentum?
i for one am very happy, and looking forward to more humiliations and defeats for these crooks and criminals who go onto the streets rampaging, burning cars, buses, attacking buildings, causing fires, damages, and attacking the police, trying to intimidate people to cave into their political demands.
all you have to do is watch the very videos the opposition posts, and you will see their a bunch of hoodlums. now they are bunch of hoodlums who were crushed on revolution day, viva la revolutionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
ah, how so sad for the opposition, and western propagandists, who really thought they were on the verge of victory, lol. just 2 months ago the times was reporting how the end was near and how the people (aka opposition) felt the government was on the verge of collapse.
perhaps the baboons within the opposition will face the reality rather than buying into the propaganda, infact you have to feel abit sorry for the opposition, would they have really decided to protest today and get humiliated as they did if the western media and other sources werent brainwashing them with so much propaganda that they were supposedly gaining all the momentum?
i for one am very happy, and looking forward to more humiliations and defeats for these crooks and criminals who go onto the streets rampaging, burning cars, buses, attacking buildings, causing fires, damages, and attacking the police, trying to intimidate people to cave into their political demands.
all you have to do is watch the very videos the opposition posts, and you will see their a bunch of hoodlums. now they are bunch of hoodlums who were crushed on revolution day, viva la revolutionnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Wow I didn't realize there were actually people still around supporting repressive governments. Iran acts just like a Soviet police state. How sad for the people of Iran who just want to be heard and have their votes counted. Islamic REPUBLIC? hahaha. More like a Socialist police state. Iran is giving Islam a very bad name. Their power hungry nutjob leaders blew the revolution.
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Wow I didn't realize there were actually people still around supporting repressive governments. Iran acts just like a Soviet police state. How sad for the people of Iran who just want to be heard and have their votes counted. Islamic REPUBLIC? hahaha. More like a Socialist police state. Iran is giving Islam a very bad name. Their power hungry nutjob leaders blew the revolution.
So you want secularists to come to power? Is it surprising that all non-religious Persians (atheists) in Canada are in opposition?
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Wow I didn't realize there were actually people still around supporting repressive governments. Iran acts just like a Soviet police state. How sad for the people of Iran who just want to be heard and have their votes counted. Islamic REPUBLIC? hahaha. More like a Socialist police state. Iran is giving Islam a very bad name. Their power hungry nutjob leaders blew the revolution.
So you want secularists to come to power? Is it surprising that all non-religious Persians (atheists included) in Canada are in opposition?
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So you want secularists to come to power? Is it surprising that all non-religious Persians (atheists) in Canada are in opposition?
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If they would have just counted the votes rather than steal the election in order to remain in power this would have been avoided. Now, the world knows their true colors.
“All day I think about it, then at night I say it. Where did I come from, and what am I supposed to be doing? I have no idea. My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there.”
If they would have just counted the votes rather than steal the election in order to remain in power this would have been avoided. Now, the world knows their true colors.
You have not answered my question. And if that is true, why are the majority of Iranians still pro-Ahmedinijad as seen on this anniversary?
All the persian academics on Islam, history etc that I do know are of course in the opposition though. But that is because academics have the tendency to be liberal minded.
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You have not answered my question. And if that is true, why are the majority of Iranians still pro-Ahmedinijad as seen on this anniversary?
All the persian academics on Islam, history etc that I do know are of course in the opposition though. But that is because academics have the tendency to be liberal minded.
We don't really know for sure if a majority support Ahmedinijad do we? Because they didn't count the votes. And then they shut down any inquiry into vote fraud. It was a sham election. The legitimacy of the Ahmedinijad regime is in serious doubt. He has no credibility. Very sad.
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We don't really know for sure if a majority support Ahmedinijad do we? Because they didn't count the votes. And then they shut down any inquiry into vote fraud. It was a sham election. The legitimacy of the Ahmedinijad regime is in serious doubt. He has no credibility. Very sad.
Credibility based on votes? I do not believe voting is the right thing, I am anti-democracy. So your argument does not mean much to me and many like me. Point out other things.
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Credibility based on votes? I do not believe voting is the right thing, I am anti-democracy. So your argument does not mean much to me and many like me. Point out other things.
Well I guess if you don't believe in democracy, then there is not much to discuss. In your view, I take it that it wouldn't matter that the votes were ignored and the election was a sham. There is nothing for me to add if that is your perspective. Why even hold an election if it doesn't matter?
And I don't think Mousavi was a secularist.
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Well I guess if you don't believe in democracy, then there is not much to discuss. In your view, I take it that it wouldn't matter that the votes were ignored and the election was a sham. There is nothing for me to add if that is your perspective. Why even hold an election if it doesn't matter?
And I don't think Mousavi was a secularist.
But his supporters are. Believing that democracy is the right thing is kufr. I hope you have researched this topic. Unless of course if you are a "moderate" Muslim then do ignore what I said.
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Iran is a good example of what happens when you introduce a really strict Islamic (Shia specifically) government and force a significant population of secular people to follow said government. Especially one as bad as Iran. The stuff that went on during their revolution was just plain awful.
So you want secularists to come to power? Is it surprising that all non-religious Persians (atheists) in Canada are in opposition?
there are many Iranians here in Malaysia and i think majority of them are supporting Mousavi. I prefer Mousavi as he promised to build a mosque for Sunnis in Tehran. I wont support Ahmadinejad who prefer our Sunni brethren to pray in embassies every Friday. Just give them a mosque.
We don't really know for sure if a majority support Ahmedinijad do we? Because they didn't count the votes. And then they shut down any inquiry into vote fraud. It was a sham election. The legitimacy of the Ahmedinijad regime is in serious doubt. He has no credibility. Very sad.
it wasnt a sham election, but with all pleasure, you hoodlums can keep going onto the streets, i will be more than happy watching you thugs getting humiliated.
Iran is a good example of what happens when you introduce a really strict Islamic (Shia specifically) government and force a significant population of secular people to follow said government. Especially one as bad as Iran. The stuff that went on during their revolution was just plain awful.
ah yes, so we should install a secular system over people who dont want a secular system, just because the secularists want to install it by force? yes, we have seen the fruits of your secularism in europe where you are now trying to ban everything to do with Islam, banning burqas, minarets, etc etc. so take your secularism and shove it, your not content by banning Islamic culture in your own countries, now you want to force it in Muslim countries like you did in Turkey. keep dreaming.
as for the stuff that went on during the revolution, you mean the PEOPLES revolution? the one where the people stood up and overthrew the secular dictatorship of the shah, which you western imperials installed?
Credibility based on votes? I do not believe voting is the right thing, I am anti-democracy. So your argument does not mean much to me and many like me. Point out other things.
So uh, how do you think states ought to be run where there is dissent? Might equals right? You also don't appear to be disputing the possibility of a corrupt and sham election on behalf of the powerbase - so does that mean you have no problem with it?
And, well, I'm a Secularist and I would be chuffed if it came to that.
I'd rather have secular rule than a so-called Muslim government. Know why? Those with power, use that power, Sharia or not. I'd rather be oppressed in the name of a political system rather than in the name of God.
You have to admire the stupidity of Iran. It's like someone in government said: 'Hey, let's make the West our enemies and then try and get half the country against us, so we can blame it on America, the BBC and the Shah! Yes, that's how we'll run our country!'
It's interesting, I read the other day that the man dividing line in Iran is not conservative or moderate or male or female or Sunni or Shia- it's young and old, with the young generation tending to have a far bigger preference for the opposition.
You have to admire the stupidity of Iran. It's like someone in government said: 'Hey, let's make the West our enemies and then try and get half the country against us, so we can blame it on America, the BBC and the Shah! Yes, that's how we'll run our country!'
It's interesting, I read the other day that the man dividing line in Iran is not conservative or moderate or male or female or Sunni or Shia- it's young and old, with the young generation tending to have a far bigger preference for the opposition.
You got that right. They totally blew the revolution. They are no different than a repressive socialist police state now. They remind me of the Nazis.
“All day I think about it, then at night I say it. Where did I come from, and what am I supposed to be doing? I have no idea. My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there.”
ah yes, so we should install a secular system over people who dont want a secular system, just because the secularists want to install it by force? yes, we have seen the fruits of your secularism in europe where you are now trying to ban everything to do with Islam, banning burqas, minarets, etc etc. so take your secularism and shove it, your not content by banning Islamic culture in your own countries, now you want to force it in Muslim countries like you did in Turkey. keep dreaming.
as for the stuff that went on during the revolution, you mean the PEOPLES revolution? the one where the people stood up and overthrew the secular dictatorship of the shah, which you western imperials installed?
No I didn't say a secular system should be implemented. I am just saying when you force a significant population that is secular to follow a hardline Islamic government you're going to get a country that is incredibly unstable.
And the stuff during the revolution that I am talking about is all the murder, rape and torture.
Basically, forcing a country to like completely change their lifestyle over night Which is what happened to the secular population in Iran will result in a seriously screwed up society.
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