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    Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

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    MUNICH — The fallout from the sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Church settled across Europe on Wednesday, as prosecutors said they were weighing criminal charges against a priest suspected of molesting children in Germany, and Pope Benedict XVI accepted the resignation of a bishop accused of mishandling allegations of abuse in Ireland.

    The possibility of criminal charges emerged from new accusations against a priest at the center of the child-molesting scandal rocking the church in Germany. On Wednesday, church officials in Munich said the priest, the Rev. Peter Hullermann — whose transfer in 1980 to an archdiocese led at the time by Benedict, then Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger, has drawn the pope himself into the nation’s child abuse controversy — had been accused of molesting a minor as recently as 1998.

    The latest revelation comes as church officials in northern Germany say they have “credible evidence” of at least two other cases of sexual abuse committed by Father Hullermann in the 1970s, adding to a trail of accusations that suggest a pattern of abuse over two decades. During that time, church officials repeatedly transferred Father Hullermann to new parishes and allowed him to work with children, even after a 1986 conviction for sexually abusing boys.

    Father Hullermann has not returned repeated calls and hung up without comment when reached briefly on Wednesday.

    At the Vatican on Thursday, a small group of abuse victims gathered to demonstrate against the church’s refusal to defrock a priest in Wisconsin implicated in the abuse of as many as 200 deaf boys, and the role the pope had played in the case when oversaw the Vatican’s doctrinal arm.

    “The goal of Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, was to keep this secret,” Peter Isely, Midwest director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, told the Associated Press. “This is the most incontrovertible case of pedophilia you could get.”

    The A.P. reported that some of the demonstrators were detained by police. In Ireland, Bishop John Magee, whose resignation was accepted by the pope on Wednesday, issued a statement of apology. In 2008, an investigation by a church panel into allegations in Cloyne found that Bishop Magee had failed to respond to accusations of abuse and that policies to protect children were severely lacking, setting off calls for his resignation.

    “As I depart, I want to offer once again my sincere apologies,” said Bishop Magee, who had served as private secretary to three popes. He added, “To those whom I have failed in any way, or through any omission of mine have made suffer, I beg forgiveness and pardon.”

    Bishop Magee’s was the first resignation the pope accepted since issuing a long-awaited letter to Irish Catholics last weekend apologizing to victims of sexual abuse and expressing “shame and remorse.”

    Yet Benedict’s letter did not call for any church leaders to be disciplined, feeding a growing sense of anger in Ireland. Many Catholics there are demanding that the leader of the Irish church, Cardinal Sean Brady, resign over his role as a young priest in the 1970s in urging two children to sign secrecy agreements and not to report abuse.

    Benedict’s letter followed two scathing Irish government reports last year revealing decades of sexual abuse of tens of thousands of children and a widespread cover-up. The findings have shaken the Irish church to its core; some fear it has lost a generation to the crisis.

    Bishop Magee’s resignation accompanied a steady drumbeat for more church leaders to step down. Beyond Bishop Magee, four other Irish bishops implicated in the government reports for failing to protect children have offered to resign, but Benedict has accepted only one’s offer.

    Nor has Benedict addressed the German scandal directly. So far, no cases have emerged from the two-year period when Father Hullermann worked at St. John the Baptist Church in Munich and Benedict was archbishop. But accusations have now surfaced at every other stop between Father Hullermann’s ordination in 1973 and his criminal conviction in 1986, and during a later assignment in 1998.

    In a statement on Wednesday, the Munich archdiocese said the most recent potential victim had contacted the church. “The likely victim was a minor at the time,” the statement said, noting that the case had been referred to the prosecutor’s office.

    “We are currently investigating the circumstances of the case,” said Eduard Mayer, the head of the prosecutor’s office handling the matter.

    Church authorities have also been alerted to two previously unknown potential victims in the northern town of Bottrop. “We have two tip-offs that are so conclusive that we must proceed under the assumption that these incidents took place,” said Ulrich Lota, spokesman for the diocese in Essen, where Father Hullermann was ordained, confirming that in both cases the victims were boys.

    Father Hullermann was abruptly transferred from Bottrop to Essen in 1977, but, according to Mr. Lota, there are no references in his file to abuse from that time.

    Two years later, three sets of parents told the priest in charge of Father Hullermann’s new church that he had abused their children, prompting his transfer to Munich for therapy, where he was returned to parish duties.

    After just over two years in Munich he was transferred once again, this time to the nearby town of Grafing. There, he abused several boys, leading to his conviction in 1986, which resulted in a suspended sentence of five years’ probation and a fine.

    He then spent one year working in a nursing home before he was sent to a parish in Garching.

    On Tuesday, Cardinal Friedrich Wetter, the archbishop at the time of Father Hullermann’s transfer to Garching, asked victims and their families to forgive him for allowing the priest to transfer to there during his tenure. “I am now painfully aware that I should have made a different decision at the time,” said Cardinal Wetter, who stepped down as archbishop in 2007.

    Wolfgang Reichenwallner, the mayor of Garching, where Father Hullermann worked for 21 years after his 1986 conviction, said that the apology had come “awfully late” and that town officials had not been informed about the priest’s repeated transgressions.

    Cardinal Wetter said he had “overestimated a person’s ability to change and underestimated the difficulties of therapeutic treatment for people with pedophile tendencies.”

    The Munich archdiocese, in its initial statement on Father Hullermann’s case this month, said “the statements of the treating psychologist” were decisive in his return to parish duties.

    But Dr. Werner Huth, the psychiatrist who treated Father Hullermann from 1980 to 1992, said last week that from the very outset he had repeatedly warned church officials not to allow the priest to work with children ever again.

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    What do you expect when a man is told to live a life of celibacy and the only contact these priests have is with young boys? the stupidness of christian belief out in the open again, you can't prevent a man from having relationships its all part of a mans nature, you can't change what Allah has made us

    And on top of that these idiots claim to be infallible
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    Re: Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

    These scandals have pretty much made me loose all faith in the Catholic Church. Don't get me wrong, Catholics are a decent bunch of people, but these scandals are just disgraceful.

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    Re: Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

    this pope needs to resign.

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    Re: Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

    poor kids, they must be scared for life
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    Re: Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

    format_quote Originally Posted by The_Prince View Post
    this pope needs to resign.
    It has been nearly half a century since I was Catholic and things may have changed. But, if things are still the same, a Pope can not resign.
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    Re: Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    It has been nearly half a century since I was Catholic and things may have changed. But, if things are still the same, a Pope can not resign.
    Unless they're fired by God

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    Re: Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

    format_quote Originally Posted by aadil77 View Post
    What do you expect when a man is told to live a life of celibacy and the only contact these priests have is with young boys? the stupidness of christian belief out in the open again, you can't prevent a man from having relationships its all part of a mans nature, you can't change what Allah has made us

    And on top of that these idiots claim to be infallible

    I thought that muslims understand that God want people not to have sex unless in marriage blessed by a preacher. Is it hard? Of course is it possible? Of couse. Millions of muslims worldwide are example that waiting with sex is possible. I know that nowadays many muslim men find hard to marry early, so they wait, till they are 26, 27, 28. They wait and it's possible. The same goes with many christians and jews.
    If You think that man's nature is to sleep with anyone and everywhere, so I wonder how can You be a believer in God?
    I know personally that living without sex is hard, sometimes hard very much, but it's possible. Some men wait 25 years, some wait 30 years. But some, including catholic priests decide to live whole life without sex. Is it difficult? Very. Possible? Of course. Especially muslims should be aware of that.
    Besides, being a priest is not a must, no one forces Aadil from Leicester to become a priest. It's a personal decision.
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    Re: Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

    format_quote Originally Posted by Amadeus85 View Post
    I thought that muslims understand that God want people not to have sex unless in marriage blessed by a preacher. Is it hard? Of course is it possible? Of couse. Millions of muslims worldwide are example that waiting with sex is possible. I know that nowadays many muslim men find hard to marry early, so they wait, till they are 26, 27, 28. They wait and it's possible. The same goes with many christians and jews.
    If You think that man's nature is to sleep with anyone and everywhere, so I wonder how can You be a believer in God?
    I know personally that living without sex is hard, sometimes hard very much, but it's possible. Some men wait 25 years, some wait 30 years. But some, including catholic priests decide to live whole life without sex. Is it difficult? Very. Possible? Of course. Especially muslims should be aware of that.
    Besides, being a priest is not a must, no one forces Aadil from Leicester to become a priest. It's a personal decision.
    I didn't suggest anywhere that a man can have out of marriage relations, but you can't even get married whilst you're a priest for reasons that are nonsense.

    And yh no one forces someone to become a priest but no one also forces priests to rape little boys, the stupid requirements to become a priest are what's making these young children vulnerable to these disgusting attacks. So your church is partially responsible
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    Re: Abuse Scandal’s Ripples Spread Across Europe

    [QUOTE=aadil77;1310080]
    I didn't suggest anywhere that a man can have out of marriage relations, but you can't even get married whilst you're a priest for reasons that are nonsense.
    If a man can wait 30 years without having sex, so why he can't wait much more? it is a training of soul and body, heart and mind.
    The celibacy is a reasonable must for a Catholic Church. If the priests had families, wives and children, they would have to earn money for their family. If they wanted to earn money for them, they would have to take salary from the state. It would mean that the Church is financialy addicted from the state. So in future for example a president of let say Germany can say - You(Church in Germany) must stop talking that abortion is bad, you must allow homosexuals to become priests, you must stop saying that sex outside marriage is sin. Otherwise we(president of Germany) stop paying money to priests. Thanx to celibacy Catholic Church is independent from any country. Unlike protestant and orthodox churches which are dependent from the states, goverments and politicians.

    And yh no one forces someone to become a priest but no one also forces priests to rape little boys, the stupid requirements to become a priest are what's making these young children vulnerable to these disgusting attacks. So your church is partially responsible
    The peadophilia appears in catholic clergy in lesser level than among the teachers, doctors or professors. But on the other hand Catholic Church is 10 times more examnind aabout this than any other institutions. I dont say that it's bad way, but it's a fact. Note also that those cases from last weeks show things that dont happen now but hapenned 40, 30, 20 years ago.
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