Urdu Sex Stories in the Syllabus of Sex Education

**islamirama** · 04-19-2010

Urdu Sex Stories in the Syllabus of Sex Education

By Amna Gilani • Mar 14th, 2010

There are many Western non government organizations working in Pakistan in different sectors. At least I haven’t seen any of person in the Pakistan from the poor stratum of society praising the work of these NGOs, or saying that they are really doing some fine work and he or she has benefitted from their work.

These NGOs are even present in the remote areas of Pakistan. Surprisingly, a huge number of these NGOs are working in the Northern areas of the country, where people are even unaware of basic necessities of the lives. These NGOs have opened up offices there and providing these people their own version of education. To be fair to these NGOs, they are also providing food and some health care to those far flung areas, but the way some of them are educating those people is very strange and alarming given our social barriers.

Some NGOs are rendering sexual education to the children of these areas, especially around Kafiristan and Gilgit. They are doing so in the name of the sex awareness. I am not against the sex awareness among the kids, because they are exposed to some form of it from media. In this time of cable and Internet, it’s unrealistic to think that kids are not curious about the sex, but the alarming thing about sex education given by some NGOs in NA is that they are handing out printed sex stories in Urdu.

Whats’ the point?

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The point is that the enemies of Islam and Pakistan are out to destroy this society just as they have destroyed the western societies with widespread debauchery and teenage pregnancies. Helping them are the hypocrites of the country who have sold their religion for a measly portion of this duniya.

**EllyDicious** · 04-20-2010

Originally Posted by cat eyes

When i was going to school literally the teachers were handing condoms out and there was a condom machine even in the school tiolet. sex outside of marriage in islam is a sin elly and we dont want to influence our young ones

I understand that, but if teenagers are going to have sex and if nothing can stop them from doing that [if they decide to keep it a secret] then it's better to have safe sex.
I, too, am against sex at such an early age but seems like nothing can stop teenagers from having it so out of 2 worsts, you have the choose the less worst.

**Lynx** · 04-20-2010

Well question is: does not promoting safe sex lower promiscuity? As Elly says, people seem to do it anyway in all places in the world regardless of knowledge of condoms or not.

**ardianto** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

It's better to promote condoms than get a sexually transmitted disease or an unwanted pregnancy, don't you think?

If they promote condoms for husband and wife, that is not wrong. But in fact, they promote condoms as protection in free sex.

**'Abd Al-Maajid** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by ardianto

If they promote condoms for husband and wife, that is not wrong. But in fact, they promote condoms as protection in free sex.

And what if the children ask their mom, "mama, what's condom?"...Oh GoD!!! Perplexed!!!!

**ardianto** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by abdulmajid

And what if the children ask their mom, "mama, what's condom?"...Oh GoD!!! Perplexed!!!!

They really asked it.

But currently I don't know how to answer. My sons never asked this question to my wife or to me.
But maybe I must ask my friends, they have experience like this.

**'Abd Al-Maajid** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by ardianto

They really asked it.

But currently I don't know how to answer. My sons never asked this question to my wife or to me.
But maybe I must ask my friends, they have experience like this.

Don't take your children when your watching TV...let them watch cartoon if you want to...they don't play condom ads on cartoon channels...CN, disney, pogo, animax. Don't worry, by the time they get into the teens they'll know everything anyhow...

**CosmicPathos** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

It's better to promote condoms than get a sexually transmitted disease or an unwanted pregnancy, don't you think?

Why is it necessary to "promote condoms" if one wants children to not get STDs? I have the leeway to not resort to any evil in this case: that of promoting condoms for zina or that of promoting condomless zina to get STDs. Secondly, condoms dont provide 100% protection. As my prof put it, using latex condoms for preventing HIV infection is like putting "chicken wire" to keep the dust particles.

**EllyDicious** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by mad_scientist

Why is it necessary to "promote condoms" if one wants children to not get STDs?

Because children should have safe sex instead of unsafe sex, IF they decide to have sex [whether it's wrong or right]. When a child makes up his/her mind, nothing can stop it.

condoms dont provide 100% protection.

Well..nothing in this world is 100% true/safe/absolute.
But by using condoms, the probability to get STDs is way less than not using them at all. So without them, you're at higher risk. Why risk?

**CosmicPathos** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Because children should have safe sex instead of unsafe sex, IF they decide to have sex [whether it's wrong or right]. When a child makes up his/her mind, nothing can stop it.
Well..nothing in this world is 100% true/safe/absolute.
But by using condoms, the probability to get STDs is way less than not using them at all. So without them, you're at higher risk. Why risk?

Exactly. Why risk by committing Zina?

**EllyDicious** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by mad_scientist

Exactly. Why risk by committing Zina?

But whether it's Zina or not, that's another issue. It's a personal point of view. I was talking from an objective point of view.
You think it's Zina, others don't think it's Zina - the truth remains there, equally for all of us believers/non-believers. Without condoms you're at higher risk.

**CosmicPathos** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

But whether it's Zina or not, that's another issue. It's a personal point of view. I was talking from an objective point of view.
You think it's Zina, others don't think it's Zina - the truth remains there, equally for all of us believers/non-believers. Without condoms you're at higher risk.

Personal point of views must be crushed if they conflict with the sharia of Allah. Because frankly, we have as many personal points of as humans there ever have been and there ever will be.

**aadil77** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

But whether it's Zina or not, that's another issue. It's a personal point of view. I was talking from an objective point of view.
You think it's Zina, others don't think it's Zina - the truth remains there, equally for all of us believers/non-believers. Without condoms you're at higher risk.

zina is sex outside of marriage, don't do it in the first place and there's no risk!

**EllyDicious** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by mad_scientist

Personal point of views must be crushed if they conflict with the sharia of Allah.

Well..this applies for Muslims.
While non-Muslims are free to express their point of view whether it conflicts with the Islamic God or not.

Originally Posted by aadil77

zina is sex outside of marriage

Yes. Then using condoms is a stronger reason for those who want commit Zina.

**'Abd Al-Maajid** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Well..this applies for Muslims.
While non-Muslims are free to express their point of view whether it conflicts with the Islamic God or not.

Yes. Then using condoms is a stronger reason for those who want commit Zina.

Non-Muslims don't need to obey Allah and His law? This is what you have to offer...huh, I guess there's no need to be Muslim then and one can just abscond from Allah on the day of judgment saying "I was not Muslim in the world."

**aadil77** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Well..this applies for Muslims.
While non-Muslims are free to express their point of view whether it conflicts with the Islamic God or not.

Yes. Then using condoms is a stronger reason for those who want commit Zina.

You are free to express your point of view, but don't come on here promoting the filthy acts that are common amongst your people. Remember this is an islamic forum.

**CosmicPathos** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Well..this applies for Muslims.
While non-Muslims are free to express their point of view whether it conflicts with the Islamic God or not.

Yes. Then using condoms is a stronger reason for those who want commit Zina.

It applies to non-Muslims living in Khilafa too.

**EllyDicious** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by aadil77

You are free to express your point of view, but don't come on here promoting the filthy acts that are common amongst your people. Remember this is an islamic forum.

I'm not promoting anything. You confused it with me saying what I think regarding this topic.

**Ramadhan** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

Because children should have safe sex instead of unsafe sex

There is no such thing as safe sex. it's a myth.
safe sex can only occur within marriage.

From http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/news/News_...nce-education/

PHILADELPHIA – A new study weighs in on the controversy over sex education, finding that an abstinence-only intervention for pre-teens was more successful in delaying the onset of sexual activity than a health-promotion control intervention. After two years, one-third of the abstinence-only group reported having sex, compared to one-half of the control group. The study by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania appears in the February 1 edition of the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.

**EllyDicious** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by naidamar

safe sex can only occur within marriage.

No. That's a myth.

**Ramadhan** · 04-21-2010

Originally Posted by EllyDicious

No. That's a myth.

tell me, how is it a myth?

and if you now assert that sex within marriage is safe is a myth, where does this "safe sex" happen then?

Remember you wrote this a few minutes ago:

Because children should have safe sex instead of unsafe sex