I would vote UKip, I think they're on the same wavelength as most of us regarding immigration, the EU and Europe. The only problem is that they're inexperienced but I think they'll do well this year hence the possibility of a hung parliament... I despise Labour, I don't trust the Conservatives although I like their Europe-scepticism. They have mentioned that they will grab back power from Brussels so out of the top 3 it would be the Tories. I cannot stand Lib Dems. I despite the left wing with a passion.
Salams, if we as muslims beleive in the shahada 'La Ilaha il Allah Muhammad ur Rasoolula', then there should be no argument that we accept everyhting that Allah SWT tells us we can/cannot do. Every action we undertake, every thought process we have, we refer back to islam because we beleive that Allah SWT has legislated and made this deen applicable to every time, day and situation we face. Allah SWT says in the Quran “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and chosen for you Islam as your way of life (Deen).” [TMQ: Ma’idah: 3]
So when it comes to the issue of voting in the upcoming elections here in Britain, we must first and foremost go back to Islam and see what Allah SWT has to say on this matter.
Voting is something which is permitted in Islam, for example when we look in islamic history it is clear to see that voting for someone to rule, legislate over them such as the time of Khilafah Rashida is encouraged.
But when we are living in a secular democracy where sovreignty and law making belongs to man not Allah SWT it is clear that this is haram. Allah SWT says in the quran:
إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلاَّ لِلّهِ
“The rule rests with Allah alone” [Translated Meaning Quran Surah Yusuf 12:40] and
وَمَن لَّمْ يَحْكُم بِمَا أَنزَلَ اللّهُ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْكَافِرُونَ
Whosoever rules by other than what Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.” [Translated Meaning Quran Surah Maidah 5:44]
I am not saying that muslims shouldn't participate in politics, we must ask ourselves what is politics? It is looking after the affairs of the people, we as muslims do this everyday e.g. when someone dies and we organise a funeral we are looking after the affairs of the people. But when when speaking about politics concerning legislation and certain viewpoints we must first look at what they stand for/represent
Muslims are being told to vote for parties with policies such as the legalisation of bloodshed and occupation of Muslim lands (as we saw with Iraq and Afghanistan); the creation of oppressive anti-terror laws; the permission of riba and economic exploitation, gambling, alcohol; and who all support. A vote for these parties would be an endorsement of policies that clearly contradict Islam.
But obviously there are many issues as people have highlighted that we face here in britain which we need a solution to such as
• The propaganda and media attacks on Islam and its values
• Concerns for our children’s welfare, especially when raising them in a society plagued by drugs, alcohol, sexual promiscuity and family breakdown.
• The killing of Muslims in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere – and occupation of these lands
• Anti-terror laws that unjustly target Muslims
So the solution, again we refer back to Islam, how did the Prophet SAW deal with the injustices that the ummah were facing? Did He SAW go thorugh the quraysh and work tyhrough their system to implement change?No he did not, the prophet SAW fought to implement Islam in it's entirety, (for those who may not be aware Islam has rulings on all aspects such as social, economic, foreign policy etc). He SAW was even offered ppower and money in order to give up his call but yet He SAW did not. So the question is if we do not make a change working through the system how do we do it?
Our community’s strength lies in being united in solving these problems. Unity of this community would mean strength economically and politically. By contrast secular party politics creates fitna, division and weakness. So, calling the community to join the Labour party, Conservative party or Liberal Democrats (or any others) would divide our community along party lines, creating bitterness and discord.
Our community’s strength lies in self reliance. The record of this community, over decades, speaks for itself: Hundreds of masajid, madrasahs and Islamic schools have largely been built by the community’s money and effort without help from the state.
Our community must voice our opposition – in a strong and united manner – to the policies which lead to the killing of Muslims in Palestine, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and elsewhere and the occupation of these lands; and support the global work for an Islamic Khilafah state that will liberate these lands and end the killing and oppression. We cannot rely on the secular parties who endorsed these colonial and murderous policies in the Middle East, Afghanistan and elsewhere.
Allah SWT says 'But no, by your Lord, they can have no Iman, until they make you the judge in all disputes between them.' [TMQ: An-Nisa: 65]
Our community must, as a fundamental priority, ensure that we secure our values and hold onto our Deen strongly in the face of all the negativity about Islam in the media and society in general.
We can only counter the lies and misconceptions about Islam and carry the correct message of Islam to the wider society if we keep Islam at the top of our agenda and focus our energies in this direction, rather than trying to side with politicians, who simply court Muslims for their own selfish desire to achieve power.
The recent attacks by Jim Fitzpatrick MP and journalist Andrew Gilligan on the Islamic Forum Europe proved, if proof was needed, that the secular system and secular parties want Muslims to abandon policies based on Islam and adopt the secular values of the parties. The hopeless track record of the current Muslim MPs is clear proof of how they must abandon our communities and Islamic values to remain within those parties. The path of voting for, and participating in, these secular parties will no doubt bring harm rather than any good to our community.
Muslims need to hold fast to Islamic values and follow a political path based upon Islam and unity of the Muslim community – enjoining the good and forbidding the munkar – and resist the false promises of influence in this kufr system at the price of losing our deen. It is Islam alone that gives this community dignity and honour and if we lose that, no amount of political activity could ever deliver meaningful results.
O ye who believe! Be conscious of Allah as you aught to be conscious of Him, and die not except in a state of Islam. And hold fast, all together, by the Rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah’s favor on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the Pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make His Signs clear to you: that ye may be guided. Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: they are the ones to attain felicity. Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs: for them is a dreadful Penalty) (Surah al-Imran 3: 102-105).
I'll be voting for the Green Party, in the absence of any Respect or 'proper' socialist candidates. The 'big three' are all as bad as each other and none offer any meaningful 'change', just variations on the same old tired themes.
I'll be voting for the Green Party, in the absence of any Respect or 'proper' socialist candidates. The 'big three' are all as bad as each other and none offer any meaningful 'change', just variations on the same old tired themes.
I personally think that the Green Party is just a waste of a vote. I also cannot realistically envision a Green party government. Could you imagine the reforms they'd push through- most people don't care about Global Warming, but when the government starts to force you to make lifestyle changes you may disagree with...
The Liberal Democrats should not be categorized as the same as Labour or the laughable mockery of politics that is the Tory party. They haven't been in government, ever, and some of their policies, particularly concerning greater cooperation with our European neighbours, are to be welcomed.
labours worked so far. im quite happy with my life at the moment thank you very much. but with hung parliment this yr its gonna have to be lib dem, cause of some of their major policies, like trident and not wanting to go to iraq, hopefully theyll have more influence this time
I'll be voting for the Green Party, in the absence of any Respect or 'proper' socialist candidates. The 'big three' are all as bad as each other and none offer any meaningful 'change', just variations on the same old tired themes.
I could never bring myself to vote for Respect. Galloway is such a slimey character.
"I know how to fight
I know how to sing
I know the way"
labours worked so far. im quite happy with my life at the moment thank you very much. but with hung parliment this yr its gonna have to be lib dem, cause of some of their major policies, like trident and not wanting to go to iraq, hopefully theyll have more influence this time
I think the Liberal Democrats are absoloutely right with regard to Iraq. Ironically, their policy regarding Trident is the only policy of theirs I don't agree with. With Iran and North Korea suspected of developing nuclear weapons, we can never be sure when they will become essential use.
I personally think that the Green Party is just a waste of a vote. I also cannot realistically envision a Green party government. Could you imagine the reforms they'd push through- most people don't care about Global Warming, but when the government starts to force you to make lifestyle changes you may disagree with...
No such thing as a wasted vote, unless you are voting for the Monster Raving Looney Party and such. I'd rather vote with my conscience than for any of Labour, Tory or Lib Dem. The lamentable fact that 'most people don't care about Global Warming' is no reason to endorse that idiotic position.
The Liberal Democrats should not be categorized as the same as Labour or the laughable mockery of politics that is the Tory party
Quite right; they are even worse than either as they are completely ideologically bankrupt while at least the others are only partially so even when that ideology stinks. The Lib Dems swing from Left, to Centre and back again are now even tottering Right-wise on an almost monthly basis, with new 'policies' to match, in the hope of fooling the public into taking them seriously.
No such thing as a wasted vote, unless you are voting for the Monster Raving Looney Party and such. I'd rather vote with my conscience than for any of Labour, Tory or Lib Dem. The lamentable fact that 'most people don't care about Global Warming' is no reason to endorse that idiotic position.
Actually, after just visiting the Green Party website, I have to admit the bulk of their policies are to my liking. Nevertheless, I can't see the Greens coming into any position of power any time soon, and therefore it is just as much of a waste of a vote in my opinion as voting for UKIP, the BNP or Plaid Cymru would be.
The Lib Dems swing from Left, to Centre and back again are now even tottering Right-wise on an almost monthly basis, with new 'policies' to match, in the hope of fooling the public into taking them seriously.
Well, the public evidently take the Liberal Democrats more seriously than they do Greens- how many Green MPs are there again? None. Not to mention their abhorrent performance at last years European elections...
The idea of a 'waste of vote' is what has perpetuated the dominance of two parties, Supreme. If most people stopped believing it was true, we would have situations where it would no longer be true.
"I know how to fight
I know how to sing
I know the way"
The idea of a 'waste of vote' is what has perpetuated the dominance of two parties, Supreme. If most people stopped believing it was true, we would have situations where it would no longer be true.
Exactly. It just perpetuates continual arrogance, unaccountability, mediocrity and the complete absence of any meaningful change. Generally the more a party bangs on about 'change' the more clueless they are as to how to actually deliver it; the Tories are a classic case in point this time.
It's not that long ago that a vote for the Lib Dems (or Liberals) was claimed to be a 'wasted' one by the Tories and Labour, and that their MP count was in single figures. And most of those were 'personality' figures in Scotland and the South West where people were voting for the individual not the party. That changed simply when enough people got so sick of the existing mainstream choices they wouldn't vote for either, and that can happen with three parties in the mix just as easily as with two.
I don't see why some Muslims say they won't vote in the general election because it shows they are supporting a government that invades Islamic countries but they live here, contributing to the very country.
As for me, I'm not sure, I quite like the idea of pulling away from the EU and it's control. What would really influence my vote are any changes that would be made to the terrible justice system we have in this country at the moment and "human rights" that are all about protecting the criminals and not the victims of crime. Out of the major parties I'm leaning towards the conservatives I think. Although the fox hunting issue really bothers me lol.
I don't see why some Muslims say they won't vote in the general election because it shows they are supporting a government that invades Islamic countries but they live here, contributing to the very country.
Voting is perhaps a sensitive issue to Muslims, but do keep in mind, we don't argue with taxes etc. We pay our taxes, with or without complaining.
By the way, I'm glad you've mixed in with the forum. I apologize in advance for the registration troubles you had to experience, as well as the delays in responsiveness.
Voting is perhaps a sensitive issue to Muslims, but do keep in mind, we don't argue with taxes etc. We pay our taxes, with or without complaining.
By the way, I'm glad you've mixed in with the forum. I apologize in advance for the registration troubles you had to experience, as well as the delays in responsiveness.
That's ok!
I think when it comes to complaining about taxes, we're all in it together.
In all probability, i think i will end up voting Labour. Despite my profound misgivings in the sphere of foreign policy, i think this election is overwhelmingly about domestic issues and i think under Labour and their focus on sustaining the recovery and creating new jobs while protecting existing ones, the country will be in a safe pair of hands.
Regarding the deficit, the government knows that public spending will have to be pared down substantially, but it must be done in a measured and sensible manner taking into account that we are only just emerging from a crippling globabl recession. I feel confident that Labour is up to the task but given the state of the opinion polls at present, im not sure if they can quite pull it off this time round.
I'll be voting for the Green Party, in the absence of any Respect or 'proper' socialist candidates. The 'big three' are all as bad as each other and none offer any meaningful 'change', just variations on the same old tired themes.
Gordon Brown has attacked Conservative NHS plans - and been joined by an Elvis impersonator - as he sought to "up the tempo" of Labour's election campaign.
He urged voters to "look at the small print" of Tory health policy at a rally with supporters, before being joined by the Elvis singing "The Wonder of You".
Tories mocked the stunt and said people were "fed up of Labour scaremongering".
Meanwhile, four polls for Sunday papers suggest the Tories remain in the lead - although still short of a majority.
Labour were placed third in three of the surveys, while one showed a nine-point slump in Lib Dem support. However, the figures reveal little consistency in changes to voting preference.
A ComRes poll of 1,006 adults on Friday and Saturday for The Independent on Sunday and Sunday Mirror shows the Tories on 34% - up three points on last Sunday's poll - the Lib Dems in second place with 29% (no change) and Labour third on 28% (up one).
Salams, just wanted to ask the muslims out there are you aware that it is not actually permissible to vote in democratic elections (it's haraam)? There are so many of the ummah who really don't see the problem with voting and the case now is, it is being encouraged. We must understand why this action is haraam as we do not want to do anything which may result in us going to Jahannam.
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