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    ‘Derision of West misguided’By SIRAJ WAHAB | ARAB NEWS

    Published: May 17, 2010 23:48 Updated: May 17, 2010 23:48
    US more in alignment with Islamic values than many Muslim states: Al-Qarni

    ALKHOBAR: A popular Saudi author and religious scholar has raised some questions about governmental and societal practices across the Arab world and asserts that the United States is more in alignment with many Islamic values than many countries represented as Muslim states.

    Aaidh ibn Abdullah Al-Qarni, whose self-help book “Don’t Be Sad” sells briskly both in English and Arabic, made the remarks in two recent columns published in Asharq Al-Awsat, a sister publication of Arab News.

    In the columns, Al-Qarni compared a Saudi woman’s experience after being beaten by an abusive husband in the United States with what often happens — or doesn’t happen — in her native land. In the second column, Al-Qarni explored the reasons so many Muslims move to the US and find both greater opportunity and more tolerance that they could expect in their homelands. The thought-provoking articles have prompted many discussions at coffee shops and dinner tables.

    “The US deals with its subjects through systems that look like they were based on Islamic teachings while Muslims fail to implement such systems,” Al-Qarni wrote in his column about domestic violence, which focused on a family that moved to the US while the husband was working on a university degree.

    Physically and verbally abused, the wife appealed to his family and her family to intervene but to no avail.

    “In fact she was rejected, insulted and threatened by them,” Al-Qarni wrote of the family members back home. “Having reached a dead end, the wife decided to put a stop to the physical and psychological pain she and her children were suffering; she contacted the police and told them about her husband.”

    He then described the response of several police squads visiting the residence and getting the story from both spouses and the children before deducing the man indeed was beating his wife. The husband was arrested and the wife and children moved to a hotel at the state’s expense and under police protection. Later, the wife was given financial assistance and an American attorney represented her for no charge.

    Authorities found her an appropriate job, escorted her children to school and made the husband agree not to come near any of them before the court hearing on the matter, at which time he was convicted of domestic violence. The wife was awarded custody of the children.

    “Now, after listening to the story, let us ask how many women are beaten, insulted and hurt without anybody coming to their aid? I am aware of many terrifying stories of the worst kind of abuse and oppression that women experience day and night,” Al-Qarni wrote.

    “I fear that after people read this story, many women in the Arab world would want to go to the US. I believe that there should be a secret police force whose task is to rescue women who are being assaulted and suffering abuse. Any husband carrying out such abuse should share the same fate as the Saudi student in the US mentioned in the story above.”

    Al-Qarni wrote it reminded him of a classic figure in Islam.

    “Over 14 centuries ago, Omar Ibn Al-Khattab, the second caliph, defended an abused woman when he went to her husband’s house with his sword and rescued the woman and taught her husband a lesson, but in accordance with the principles of Shariah,” he wrote. He continued: “I remember that some colleagues and I toured 21 American states, and whenever we saw the accuracy and excellence of the traffic system, and witnessed people’s commitment to environment-protection laws, and the way daily affairs are managed, we thought of the words we read in the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him). Even some of the Muslim professors there once said to us: ‘We swear it is as if the Americans took it from our religion word for word, while we ignore these great texts.’”

    In the column about Arabs fleeing their homelands and traveling to the West, Al-Qarni notes that greater opportunities exist there than in many Arab nations.

    “Some of them have fled from repression, whipping, torture, gagging, confiscation of freedom, with the traces of torture still on their backs and chests. Others have gone to look for a source of living after being stricken by poverty, stung by hunger and destroyed by unemployment and idleness. Others have gone to seek knowledge, leaving behind their countries where universities are ranked last in the list of the universities of the world,” he wrote.

    Al-Qarni related the story of a Libyan man who fled his own country and found happiness and a good life in the US. “We were amazed. Amazingly enough, here is a man who fled his homeland after being terribly harassed, tortured, and maltreated there and came to a state that we are insulting day and night, and that some of us call the ‘Great Satan,’ a country that our preachers are cursing and wishing it bad,” Al-Qarni wrote. “Then, this poor Muslim man who was driven out of his country, tortured in his homeland, becomes rich, having a home, a farm and a job and enjoying a good life full happiness in an American state.”

    Al-Qarni questions why the West is demonized when it provides so many opportunities to Muslims and is far more tolerant of Muslim sensitivities than many Muslim countries are to people of differing faiths.

    “Why don’t we Arabs think about our tragedies and disasters, and admit that many of our states have discarded justice, confiscated liberties, taken over rights and erased the freedom of expression? This is at a time when, in the West, they discuss their affairs calmly, solve their crises with dialogue and govern their subjects with justice,” he wrote.

    He suggests the Arab world needs to take a long look at itself.

    “In our Shariah, we read about order, justice, good character, calls for peace and human rights, respect for others, avoiding hurting other peoples’ feelings, showing interest in the environment, seeking knowledge, encouraging work and production, and fighting poverty, ignorance, disease, and injustice. We notice that they are observing all this in the West whereas we find that many Arabs are only paying lip service to it in their bitter reality.”

    Al-Qarni said there was much to be learned from the countries of the West. “Please, let us stop cursing and insulting them and wishing them bad, and let us preoccupy ourselves with reforming ourselves, improving our level, promoting our universities, cleaning our environment, building our land, and rectifying our mistakes.”
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    ‘Say: If the ocean were ink wherewith to write out the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted, even if We added another ocean like it.’~Al Qu'raan (18:109)


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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Wow.
    Well, we do have to admit, some of us muslims are like in this Indonesian proverb: "An elephant in front of the eyelids invisible, but an ant across the sea is visible."
    The decadence of the West is often remarked yet our own failure in this modern age seldom seen(at least to me).

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Asalam alaykum,
    Firstly thanks for sharing the article...i intend no disrespect but I strongly disagree with the article, i think the author of the article and Al-Qarni have really simplified the issues, have totally ignored the broader contexts such as political and socio-economic factors and confused and misunderstood the underlying problems of the arab world...Its very interesting that Al-Qarni does not mention anything about the politics of the Arab world and the puppet governments (which are set up by the American and British governments- thats why many Muslims are angry!) which dont care at all about the well-being and future of their citizens and just care about crushing opposition and protests...This is just one of the many flaws in the article..people would not need to flee to the West if theyre countries were not exploited and attacked by the “West”, believe me people would much rather prefer to stay in their homelands for countless reasons...lol honestly this article might as well have been written by the new york times..

    All the best,
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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    The U.S. is extremely civilized except for the fact that they threaten other nations with nuclear annihilation (Iran and North Korea) and massacre millions of innocent people throughout the world. A state and economic system thriving on the suffering of other nations and peoples, toppling independent regimes, imposing sanctions (which killed a million people in Iraq alone), committing massive warcrimes, installing puppet regimes across the world serving their own interests to the detriment of the natives. Except these minor faults the U.S. is extremely merciful and humane...
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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    i wasnt expecting this from al-qarni ... I think he has only done a superficial analysis. he is true to some extent, ONLY. You will also see millions of americans who are depressed despite all these so-called Islamic values they have.
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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniteMercy View Post
    Asalam alaykum,
    Firstly thanks for sharing the article...i intend no disrespect but I strongly disagree with the article, i think the author of the article and Al-Qarni have really simplified the issues, have totally ignored the broader contexts such as political and socio-economic factors and confused and misunderstood the underlying problems of the arab world...Its very interesting that Al-Qarni does not mention anything about the politics of the Arab world and the puppet governments (which are set up by the American and British governments- thats why many Muslims are angry!) which dont care at all about the well-being and future of their citizens and just care about crushing opposition and protests...This is just one of the many flaws in the article..people would not need to flee to the West if theyre countries were not exploited and attacked by the “West”, believe me people would much rather prefer to stay in their homelands for countless reasons...lol honestly this article might as well have been written by the new york times..

    All the best,
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    Wa alaikum salaam akhi ,

    You're more than entitled to disagree with the article. I think on the other hand Dr. al-Qarni view is a valid one to an extent as brother Mad Scientist said; and the constant moaning of Muslims on how corrupt the west is (although it may be true) is distracting and preventing Muslim/Arab countries from progressing and developing themselves. In my view, more self-knowledge is needed rather than self-righteousness.

    All the best.

    Fee Amaanillah .
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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by Banu_Hashim View Post
    Wa alaikum salaam akhi ,

    You're more than entitled to disagree with the article. I think on the other hand Dr. al-Qarni view is a valid one to an extent as brother Mad Scientist said; and the constant moaning of Muslims on how corrupt the west is (although it may be true) is distracting and preventing Muslim/Arab countries from progressing and developing themselves. In my view, more self-knowledge is needed rather than self-righteousness.

    All the best.

    Fee Amaanillah .
    Salam,

    One question; how many people in the West admit their atrocities and massive crimes against humanity, the tremendous suffering they are inflicting on mankind? I can assure you that if tomorrow Iran is flattened with nuclear weapons, most people in the West would defend their government. How can you call these people moral?

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Torture is widespread and systematic in the U.S... no Arab country in the world could ever compete with the U.S. in this regard.

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post
    The U.S. is extremely civilized except for the fact that they threaten other nations with nuclear annihilation (Iran and North Korea) and massacre millions of innocent people throughout the world. A state and economic system thriving on the suffering of other nations and peoples, toppling independent regimes, imposing sanctions (which killed a million people in Iraq alone), committing massive warcrimes, installing puppet regimes across the world serving their own interests to the detriment of the natives. Except these minor faults the U.S. is extremely merciful and humane...
    May I ask, when has the US under the current administration ever threatened nuclear annihilation of North Korea or Iran?

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by Supreme View Post
    May I ask, when has the US under the current administration ever threatened nuclear annihilation of North Korea or Iran?
    Of course you may:

    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/05/451435.html

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post
    Thank you, but what about North Korea?

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by Supreme View Post
    Thank you, but what about North Korea?
    http://www.hamsayeh.net/hamsayehnet_...20news1181.htm

    Iran would be insane not to build nuclear weapons, I believe those were Chomsky's words.
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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    BTW, I don't disagree with certain facts in this article, but let's keep things in perspective.
    Last edited by Argamemnon; 06-08-2010 at 07:33 PM.

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by Argamemnon View Post
    http://www.hamsayeh.net/hamsayehnet_...20news1181.htm

    Iran would be insane not to build nuclear weapons, I believe those were Chomsky's words.
    Thanks. I don't reckon nuclear weapons will be necessary in the case of North Korea. It'll commit suicide, either by starting a war with South Korea, or being overthrown by its own people. History has proven countries like that alway make a fatal mistake that result in their destruction.

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    democracy and capitalism make the west a good place to live for its citizens.
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    Democracy and Capitalism are very much counterbalances to one another. Unbridled capitalism would be extremely dangerous and needs to be kept in check by the people via democracy. Otherwise the power elite rich would just enslave us all (figuratively or maybe even literally).

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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by Lynx View Post
    democracy and capitalism make the west a good place to live for its citizens.
    yeah tell that to this kid!



    and if he weren't a kid in the good old west, then do let the world know how much of your tax dollar goes to ensure that at 1.02 billion its inhabitants go hungry while you obliterate countries left and right, enslave sovereign nations and rob them of their natural resources so you can make your life and that of your fellow citizens extra comfy!

    all the best oh learned philosophe.. and hats off to you for always having such a pithy one-up!
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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ View Post
    yeah tell that to this kid!



    and if he weren't a kid in the good old west, then do let the world know how much of your tax dollar goes to ensure that at 1.02 billion its inhabitants go hungry while you obliterate countries left and right, enslave sovereign nations and rob them of their natural resources so you can make your life and that of your fellow citizens extra comfy!

    all the best oh learned philosophe.. and hats off to you for always having such a pithy one-up!


    I have that as my fb pic. May Allah easen his hunger and provide healthy rizq whereever he is.
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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by mad_scientist View Post


    I have that as my fb pic. May Allah easen his hunger and provide healthy rizq whereever he is.
    I hope Allah swt doesn't punish us for letting that many people let alone children go hungry while boasting of how great the system works... No system works if children anywhere are in that kind of shape and silence equals complicity!
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    Re: ‘Derision of West misguided’

    Quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ View Post
    yeah tell that to this kid!



    and if he weren't a kid in the good old west, then do let the world know how much of your tax dollar goes to ensure that at 1.02 billion its inhabitants go hungry while you obliterate countries left and right, enslave sovereign nations and rob them of their natural resources so you can make your life and that of your fellow citizens extra comfy!

    all the best oh learned philosophe.. and hats off to you for always having such a pithy one-up!
    yeah, that's why i said 'its citizens' ;\
    you know, getting everyone to start helping out the poor around the world has its consequences; if things were so simple you would not have the great debate between the left & the right. anyway, even the poor of western countries are living in luxury compared to other places in the world.
    I do think that eventually that corruption will be filtered out of the 'system' for the most part and the rest of the world will enjoy prosperity...in the long run anyway. i guess i am an optimist. The condition of humans is getting better not worse!

    Democracy and Capitalism are very much counterbalances to one another. Unbridled capitalism would be extremely dangerous and needs to be kept in check by the people via democracy. Otherwise the power elite rich would just enslave us all (figuratively or maybe even literally).
    I had not thought about it that way...very true.

    I think the source of all the 'good' things mentioned in the article about the West and why Muslims leave their home countries is precisely the consequence of having a democratic state where the happiness of the people come first.
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