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    I am not Egyptian but helped them via internet with they revolution.



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    Re: Egypt: Nation forced offline

    I find this to be a pretty good English Language source for news from Egypt:

    http://www.egyptdailynews.com/
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    ‎"Anti-government protesters have taken to the streets in Egypt for a fifth day despite President Mubarak's promise to appoint a new cabinet."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12314799

    What is his problem? Why can't he just resign. He's been President for 30 years by force, he's 82 years old, no one actually likes him but due to delusions of grandeur he thinks people want a new cabinet with the same leadership. He's hopeless.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Banu_Hashim View Post
    What is his problem? Why can't he just resign. He's been President for 30 years by force, he's 82 years old, no one actually likes him but due to delusions of grandeur he thinks people want a new cabinet with the same leadership. He's hopeless.
    The most-hated-president, after Ben Ali, of this month :
    What20is20his20problem?20Why20can27t20he20just20resign20He27s20been20President20for203020years20by20force20he27s208220years20old20no20one20actually20likes20him20but20due20to20delusions20of20grandeur20he20thinks20people20want20a20new20cabinet20with20the20same20leadership20He27s20hopeless - Egypt: Nation forced offlinebewiththerevolution 1 - Egypt: Nation forced offline

    I think Yamen's president (Ali Abdallah Salih) is in his way too to get the 3rd place.
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    If this sets the stage for poor leadership to be replaced by good leadership, all is good. However, if even poor leadership is replaced with anarchy, it is a poor change.

    Overthrowing poor leadership, simply to get rid of it, is not a solution in itself. Unless there is solid unity for a good replacement, the result can be worse than what is removed.

    It may not be very wise for the passengers on board a plane to New York, to overthrow the pilot because they want to go to Los Angeles. Especially if there is no pilot among them.
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    yemen should be following up, their corrupt leader allows US drone attacks to freely massacre muslims
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    If this sets the stage for poor leadership to be replaced by good leadership, all is good. However, if even poor leadership is replaced with anarchy, it is a poor change.

    Overthrowing poor leadership, simply to get rid of it, is not a solution in itself. Unless there is solid unity for a good replacement, the result can be worse than what is removed.

    It may not be very wise for the passengers on board a plane to New York, to overthrow the pilot because they want to go to Los Angeles. Especially if there is no pilot among them.
    Very very true..
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    If this sets the stage for poor leadership to be replaced by good leadership, all is good. However, if even poor leadership is replaced with anarchy, it is a poor change.

    Overthrowing poor leadership, simply to get rid of it, is not a solution in itself. Unless there is solid unity for a good replacement, the result can be worse than what is removed.

    It may not be very wise for the passengers on board a plane to New York, to overthrow the pilot because they want to go to Los Angeles. Especially if there is no pilot among them.
    I totally agree with that.

    But...... unfortunately, in the arab world, you have to take the risk of entering in anarchy and try to limit the damage, that's the only solution I think. Other diplomatic methods have been tried from inside and from outside but without results : the only way to force a Dictator to quit is by revolution. Yes it's a painful cure with a lot of losses in lives and resources, but it's the only way to change things.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by marwen View Post

    I totally agree with that.

    But...... unfortunately, in the arab world, you have to take the risk of entering in anarchy and try to limit the damage, that's the only solution I think. Other diplomatic methods have been tried from inside and from outside but without results : the only way to force a Dictator to quit is by revolution. Yes it's a painful cure with a lot of losses in lives and resources, but it's the only way to change things.
    Yes unfortunately there is truth to that.

    But, sadly in the past the result was today's often corrupt regimes. It seems that each dictator that is in power today came as the result of the overthrowing of a previous dictator.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    But, sadly in the past the result was today's often corrupt regimes. It seems that each dictator that is in power today came as the result of the overthrowing of a previous dictator.
    Yes that's true, it's even historically proved. but ther's one precision about the difference of today's revolution : in the past, the people were sleeping, so a dictator come to replace another dictator, and exploit the aslope people. The difference today is that it's the people who now are the cause of the revolution, there is no new prepared dictator. There is a risk that a new dictator takes profit of the security weakness and take over the government, but I don't think it's easy for him to do that as the people ae not asleep and are revolting.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by marwen View Post
    but I don't think it's easy for him to do that as the people ae not asleep and are revolting.
    I wish it happens as you think.
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    Many seem to be demanding a say in their government. I don't see most being happy unless the people have a vote.

    Without democracy and some form of term limits it will simply be "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
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    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    Many seem to be demanding a say in their government. I don't see most being happy unless the people have a vote.

    Without democracy and some form of term limits it will simply be "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
    Have you ever lived in country without democracy? Democracy means much more than only you have a vote.
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    I agree. If they simply trade one leader for life with another leader for life nothing is going to change.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by titus View Post
    I agree. If they simply trade one leader for life with another leader for life nothing is going to change.
    Democracy is:

    you have one vote (just same who you are or how rich or poor you are)

    you have equal rights to get education (just same who you are or how rich or poor you are)

    you can be member of any political party or not to be (just same who you are or how rich or poor you are)

    if you need protection from police they protect you (just same who you are or how rich or poor you are)

    police follow the law and does´t torture you

    you don´t have to pay to officers to get some paper from them

    you can worship religion you follow or not doing that if you like

    Something like this is real democracy. Something like this I work with Egyptians. Someone might think I am with terrorist when support revolution. I call them terrorists if they are againts of democracy.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb View Post
    Democracy is:

    you have one vote (just same who you are or how rich or poor you are)

    you have equal rights to get education (just same who you are or how rich or poor you are)

    you can be member of any political party or not to be (just same who you are or how rich or poor you are)

    if you need protection from police they protect you (just same who you are or how rich or poor you are)

    police follow the law and does´t torture you

    you don´t have to pay to officers to get some paper from them

    you can worship religion you follow or not doing that if you like

    Something like this is real democracy. Something like this I work with Egyptians. Someone might think I am with terrorist when support revolution. I call them terrorists if they are againts of democracy.
    I have all these rights in my country. Have you?
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    Re: Egypt: Nation forced offline

    format_quote Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post
    If this sets the stage for poor leadership to be replaced by good leadership, all is good. However, if even poor leadership is replaced with anarchy, it is a poor change.

    Overthrowing poor leadership, simply to get rid of it, is not a solution in itself. Unless there is solid unity for a good replacement, the result can be worse than what is removed.

    It may not be very wise for the passengers on board a plane to New York, to overthrow the pilot because they want to go to Los Angeles. Especially if there is no pilot among them.
    This is what I'm afraid of.

    I wish we could get a God-fearing leader, like a well-known reliable Islamic scholar.
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    We just have to trust Egyptians that they knows what is best leader to them.
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    Re: Egypt: Nation forced offline

    format_quote Originally Posted by sister harb View Post
    I have all these rights in my country. Have you?
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    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    In Indonesia ? ................
    Need to make next revolution in Indonesia... ?
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