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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

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    format_quote Originally Posted by شَادِنُ View Post

    A man's dress code is different from a woman's dress code. I believe even by skimpy western standards men don't have to don a two piece although in my humble opinion with their rotund habitus they should be covered from head to toe.
    let me ask you a better question. Why the obsession with Muslim women dress code? Should you not be concerned with your own women and your own men?

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    Hello,

    Yes. Thanks. I understand the dress codes are different. You provided the picture of a man so
    my question to you was about that man. So what specifically would make this gentleman immodest
    if he removed his head covering?

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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    format_quote Originally Posted by theplains View Post
    Hello,

    Yes. Thanks. I understand the dress codes are different. You provided the picture of a man so
    my question to you was about that man. So what specifically would make this gentleman immodest
    if he removed his head covering?

    Jim
    Indeed, I posted the pic of the 'man' on the account you asked for a male equivalent (no more no less)- Yes some men prefer to wear head covers, hats, loose clothing etc. It isn't an injunction. If you desire to know what is or isn't allowed in Islamic attire, may I suggest you start a thread and argue all the trifles to your heart's content there!

    I didn't answer the Q otherwise because it was a non-Q and didn't follow from the original premise!

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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

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    64% YES after the two week combination last week was 56% this time was 70% or so, the total now is 64% so anyone under pretense that Egypt is split or the Constitution represents only the 'brotherhood' is sorely mistaken..
    we now have to worry about the parliament and the tricks of the liberals, especially that they've had an appeal to one of the people who killed a Muslim kid and dumped his body free last week, as well Mubarak and his cronies are also applying for an appeal. I pray to God it will be denied.. but the case is, if evil people aren't killed they go on committing evil!
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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    I hope that this question does not in anyway upset anyone... I just don't understand. I am here in Egypt, and I have never heard through anything official, that states that Hijaab is something that will be forced on the women here. I hear many of the opposition to the elected government saying this. But also I hear the official response is that of a strong denial to the fact that this is their intention.

    I am not speaking in support or rejection of this principle. I just want to know is there anything concrete that says that this really is the intent. I am asking this for personal knowledge. Barak Allahu feekum.

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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abu-Abdillah View Post
    I just want to know is there anything concrete that says that this really is the intent.
    Based on the video in the original post, Mursi does not intend to require the Hijaab by law. I suspect that the opposition is saying this, because they fear and want to spread fear about what rule by the Islamic majority will mean.
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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    Here's what the opposition has been saying:


    مش عايزين الدستور علشان اللى عملوه ضد الهولوكوست.
    http://www.elhasad.com/2012/11/blog-post_6604.html -
    ويقول للانجليز:
    مش عايزين الدستور علشان احنا ضد المشروع الإسلامى.
    http://www.elhasad.com/2012/12/blog-post_4141.html

    ويقول للأمريكان:
    مش عايزين الدستور علشان عايزين مصر دولة علمانية.
    بالفيديو
    http://www.elhasad.com/2012/12/blog-post_498.html

    ويقول للمصريين:
    احنا مش عايزين الدستور علشان عايزين الشريعة.
    بالفيديو
    http://www.elhasad.com/2012/12/blog-post_2736.html

    well actually this is just one moron from the group of morons.

    We don't want the constitution because it is against the 'Holocaust' not sure in what sense though.-, then to the Brits he says we don't want it because we're against Islamism , then he says to the Americans we don't want it because we want a secular country, then he says to the Egyptians we don't want it because we don't want sharia.. so yeah, I mean they've been quite consistent with their smear campaign truly no different than any Islamophobic westerner.. the part that amuses me though is how they go by Muslim names..


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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    ^ lol, Sometimes I wish stupidity were lethal, at least it would relieve us from these idiots who spread their nonsense.
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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    Salaam

    Yes, there's no doubt western powers are trying to create a base of support to push through ideologies that they approve of. They are heavily backing the secular liberals among many others. (eg. UK is using the British Council as a cover to further its interests).

    Media coverage was poor (to be expected), opposition are given lavish coverage, yet I barely saw any coverage given to the Muslim Brotherhoods point of view.

    Not to mention that the vote was 'politely' trashed before it even got started.

    Having said that this is an important milestone in the battle for Egypt's soul, however there is a very very long way to go. The secular liberals wont stop and will continue to undermine the constitutional settlement, and if that doesn't work they might try to undermine the economy to ensure 'good behaviour' from President Morsi.

    Building Egypt up from the ground up will be tough, but Insha'Allah you will do it.

    Thought this was an interesting editorial from the (secular-liberal) Guardian.



    Egypt: building on sand

    The irony of having won this particular constitutional battle is that Morsi has emerged from it with weaker powers


    Not all founding fathers are as fondly remembered as America's. The three men who carved up the Soviet Union in Stalin's hunting lodge in Belovezhskaya forest are not today revered as scions of a new order. Egypt's constitution, which appeared to have been passed on Sunday by 64%, has also had a turbulent birth. The result itself came from a low turnout and there were claims of election fraud. The crisis started when Egypt's Islamist president, Mohammed Morsi, awarded himself the power to push through a draft that had not been agreed, prompting a stream of resignations. He said it was to stop the constitutional court from declaring the whole exercise null and void, but the judiciary revolted as a result. Clashes between rival armed groups ensued: up to 2 million Christians voted against the referendum and some leaders called for the president's removal. If this is a victory, it has been a costly one. The revolutionary unity seen fleetingly in Tahrir Square has been shattered.

    Mr Morsi was accused of behaving like a military dictator, but the irony of having won this particular constitutional battle is that he has emerged from it with weaker powers. Under the terms of the new constitution, he cannot interfere with any judicial appointment but only sign the names offered to him by the supreme judicial council. His legislative powers revert to the upper house of parliament, the Shura council, pending the elections of the lower house. This is loaded in favour of the Islamists and Mr Morsi will struggle to make it more representative even by nominating more members of the Coptic orthodox, Catholic and Protestant churches to it, as he did on Sunday. But he has promised to put amendments to the controversial articles of the constitution to the first session of parliament, if agreement can be reached between the major political parties.

    In his wish to speedily install a new order, Mr Morsi cut corners, at times dangerously. His emergency decree overriding all judicial oversight was cast much too wide. Verbal violence soon became physical after a tent encampment outside the presidential palace was broken up violently. The opposition claimed they were beaten, detained and tortured. The Muslim Brotherhood insist they were shot at hours later. These scenes were a disaster for a president who has vowed to represent not just Islamist Egypt but all Egypt.

    The polarisation is not likely to lessen with these results. Despite the low turnout, the Brotherhood will claim 64% as a decisive victory. Mr Morsi has seen his vote go up in some areas of the country that voted for his rival Mr Ahmed Shafiq in the presidential election. For the secularist and liberal opposition, and many outside observers, the most telling statistic was the low turnout. It means the grand foundational text of the new Egypt is only actively supported by about one in five of the electorate. The decision of Egypt's Coptic church to call for a no vote, at a time when the imams held back, is a sign of deep tensions. After such a decision, it becomes easier to characterise the polarisation as a religious one. Such a result might add weight to the view that the conflict was not about an Islamist constitution, but about two very different visions of society: a defined identity-based project to see a more Islamised Egypt; and a more pluralist vision of a democracy, with multiple identities. But the problem is also a practical one. No one behaved as if they wanted to build a pluralist society. The art of compromise was not much in evidence. Mr Morsi started out with the intention of creating a broad tent involving minorities – but that approach also depended on the ability to keep everyone inside that tent. The last few months have made that increasingly difficult. The one hope is that this result encourages both side to fight the parliamentary elections .

    President Morsi's task is now clear. It is not to entrench the divide but to reach across it to all Egyptians, Christian or Muslim, secular or religious, liberal or conservative. Mr Morsi will have only established a constitution worthy of the name when that happens.

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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    format_quote Originally Posted by marwen View Post
    ^ lol, Sometimes I wish stupidity were lethal, at least it would relieve us from these idiots who spread their nonsense.
    The fact that they call them political figures at all leaves me in awe? I mean they keep toting 'democracy' yet have no understanding of the meaning of it- People obviously have already voted for those elected to represent them which means those losers need to step aside not act as if they own the scene and then keep calling on western powers to cause a coup in a sovereign nation.. funny stuff!
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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    format_quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    The crisis started when Egypt's Islamist president, Mohammed Morsi, awarded himself the power to push through a draft that had not been agreed, prompting a stream of resignations.
    I can tell you right there that this is incorrect information. Western perpetuated just like the crap on the satellite TV's that is perpetuated in Egypt, more suitable for tabloids than news. In fact all had agreed and SIGNED on the constitutions including representatives of the three churches of Egypt, the only one who didn't sign his name was Amr Musa, whom no one gives a fig for anyway!
    Secondly Mursi didn't give himself unprecedented powers nothing that the Americans and French haven't done before, not only was it temporary but necessary given the non-guilty verdict that was passed to those responsible for the death and injury of thousands in Tahrir square.. Also, as I have already stated and don't care to repeat earlier posts that just like the constitutional court (Alma7kama Adstouria) dissolved the freely elected parliament they were about to dissolve the office of the presidency so his move came in the correct time. the constitutional court in totality were hand picked goons for the old regime, any newly elected president has the right to choose his cabinets, be that as it may those 'judges' in that ma7kama distouria some of them barely have a high school degree, and they'd staged a chavez style coup to a T were it not for those martyred the night they went to save it7adyah palace.. and meanwhile actual judges from 2002 are probably sitting on a donkey selling fava beans. But that's not the issue, the issue is that Mursi is d@mned if he does and d@mned if he doesn't..
    When he exercises his powers as a president he's declared a pharaoh and treasonous agents call on foreign troops and powers to pressure him economically, politically etc. The sick SOB El-Baradi who by all means is an agent and responsible for the death of 1.5 million Iraqis, has been going all around Europe and the U.S please see my earlier post spreading good cheer, now there are those who are imposing economic sanctions and others who will not return Egypt its due debt from the stolen money which the removed now in prison soon to appeal former admin has put in foreign banks..

    Please I urge you to stop getting your news from the Guardian UK or any western paper in general. Not only have they no touch with reality whatsoever, not only will they deny you basic information that complete the picture of why some decisions are taken, but they will frankly lie to you to form public opinion to the fundi/ziono agenda of the west!

    pls. also see my thread on the so-called coptic minority of Egypt and the massive lands they've stolen while crying to the west they're being discrminated against!

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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    Salaam

    Thanks for the response, its hard to get info about whats really going on.

    Found this, thought this was an interesting analysis of whats going on, not sure how much of it is correct though oh:

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    ^^ you think youll find true and correct analysis on that ****-box tv? lol
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    Re: Pres. Morsi: Enforcing Hijab is ridiculous, & not from Shariah

    format_quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    Thanks for the response, its hard to get info about whats really going on.

    Found this, thought this was an interesting analysis of whats going on, not sure how much of it is correct though


    The opposition is not only very poorly organized, is spearheaded by unpopular and unconditioned rejects who in the eyes of many are treasonous but even amongst themselves are divided, and I believe that Shafeeq who ran away to Emirates to avoid thirty some charges is working to unite. People in Egypt are 'Islamists' even if they don't fall under the banner of 'Salafi' or 'brotherhood' - Liberalism/ secularism/ Hedonism hasn't much appeal for the common man there!

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