Mom Beats Man With Baseball Bat For Allegedly Molesting Her Sons

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb

Salam alaykum

Could you two stay in topic? Or open new one to yourselves? I think you are now already quite far from that couch and baseball bat.

Now please sit down, breath a little and take a cup of tea and some biscuits...

I LOVE BISCUITS AND TEA! NOM NOM NOM

I'm fine and relaxed.

I'm having so much fun. XD

format_quote Originally Posted by glo

Perhaps one of your herbal teas, sis herb?

I like green tea! HOW IRONIC! MY AVATAR IS GREEN TOO.

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

I like green tea! HOW IRONIC! MY AVATAR IS GREEN TOO.

Your avatar looks a little sickly-green, if you donlt mind me saying ...

oops ... now I am the one taking the thread off topic ... <walks away whistling innocently ...>

They wouldn't have killed him in the uk or in the u.s,
Maybe she went into that moment of temporary insanity when she confronted him and got the vibe that he did it by the way he said he's "sorry",
Allah knows the situation best but I might feel the same if I found it to be the case after confronting someone,
The kids apparently said it happened to others and there are various ways of confirming it, why not wait until that's confirmed before we start talking about just judgement from these satanic enemies of truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCOF2...e_gdata_player

Gee talk about getting the fox to investigate the chicken coop!!!
They might have even offered him a job if she hadn't offed him lol, i think the poor woman should be re-united with her kids, it's obvious she really loves them, even a tiny chicken goes beserk at humans if she feels her kids are threatened, I think it was a natural reaction, we just need to wait and see if it was true.

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

The one which you mentioned about Bahar Ahmad.

You think that was blown out of proportion? Let's speak again when it is you in his place!

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

What makes you think they get special treatment?

Something about the prison hotel room Anders Behring Breivik received as punishment tells me things aren't running on fair and just!

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

My point is that most cases are treated fairly in the UK.

We've already established that and I believe I labeled it subjective so let's not go around in circles!

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

Most suspects and convicted criminals are treated in accordance with the law.

& the laws is of the whims of white oafs- Yes!

best,

format_quote Originally Posted by العنود

You think that was blown out of proportion?

No. You are blowing it out of proportion. You are saying that the entire UK legal system is corrupt/bad based upon one case.

I'm saying that the UK legal system is fit for purpose. It deals with most cases in accordance with the law and most of the time people are treated fairly.

Bahar Ahmad is an exception.

Something about the prison hotel room Anders Behring Breivik received as punishment tells me things aren't running on fair and just!

Yes sometimes the sentencing laws are very lenient. This is a common complaint that the punishments are not harsh enough. Yes that is one flaw.

We've already established that and I believe I labeled it subjective so let's not go around in circles!

Your opinion is just as subjective. Your basically saying BWAAAAAH WESTERN COUNTRY ARE BAD in a nutshell lol.

Not everything is black and white. XD

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb

(Now this too goes off topic.)

hypocrite

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

No. You are blowing it out of proportion. You are saying that the entire UK legal system is corrupt/bad based upon one case.

No I am not, I am also not speaking of the UK system but the entire governance around the world go back and check what I have written.

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

I'm saying that the UK legal system is fit for purpose. It deals with most cases in accordance with the law and most of the time people are treated fairly.

For the third time that is subjective and I am getting tired of repeating myself!

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

Yes sometimes the sentencing laws are very lenient. This is a common complaint that the punishments are not harsh enough. Yes that is one flaw.

you often contradict yourself!
This is no different.

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

Your opinion is just as subjective. Your basically saying BWAAAAAH WESTERN COUNTRY ARE BAD in a nutshell lol.

I wrote east and west the law is drafted by people the same people in fact. And NO, my opinion isn't subjective. When people are drafting the law, and not blind as they purport about it the law will be flawed!

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

Not everything is black and white. XD

Indeed, I am not making it out to be, nor do I change my responses to fit blebs that show up!

best,

format_quote Originally Posted by العنود

No I am not, I am also not speaking of the UK system but the entire governance around the world go back and check what I have written.

Well you have included the UK legal system and that is what I'm talking about. You even mentioned the Bahar Ahmad case which is specific to the UK. This made me believe we were talking about the UK legal system.

For the third time that is subjective and I am getting tired of repeating myself!

No one cares if your tired lol.

you often contradict yourself!
This is no different.

I have not contradicted myself.

I have said the UK legal system is fit for purpose. Most suspects/criminals are treated in accordance with the law. However there are problems with the legal system. One of them is sentencing. Other times you get extreme cases where suspects are mistreated like Bahar Ahmad.

I wrote east and west the law is drafted by people the same people in fact.

And?

And NO, my opinion isn't subjective.

I'd call it a rant.

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

Well you have included the UK legal system and that is what I'm talking about.

Yes, that doesn't make it the exception perhaps even the originator of inequity given their racist and colonial history!

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

No one cares if your tired lol.

I care if I am tired and when I am tired I am less friendly you might dislike what I write even more if you can imagine!

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

I have not contradicted myself.

When you speak of just then introduce the 'one flaw' that's a contradiction.

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

I have said the UK legal system is fit for purpose.

What purpose is that? to drain tax payers and stick innocents in jail while freeing the rich and crooked?

format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow

Most suspects/criminals are treated in accordance with the law.

& the law is drafted by them to do as they please- yes, your point again being?

Salam alaykum

What if this case would happen in some country where court use sharia law? Does shariah allow that people take right to punish others if they only evidence is what one child has told to some person? Without the decision of the court?

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb

What if this case would happen in some country where court use sharia law? Does shariah allow that people take right to punish others if they only evidence is what one child has told to some person? Without the decision of the court?

We can't conjecture on what doesn't exist, rather what does!

Salam alaykum

My question wasn´t any conjecture, but how shariah would works in kind of case.

format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb

Salam alaykum

My question wasn´t any conjecture, but how shariah would works in kind of case.

In that case it is a judicial matter left to someone with extended schooling, has excellence in judgement & character and not one left to say 12 oafs from the street who've barely a GED as is the case of the U.S system!

format_quote Originally Posted by العنود

When you speak of just then introduce the 'one flaw' that's a contradiction.

No it's not. I'm actually giving you a balanced view of the UK legal system. It has its good sides and its bad sides. I have pointed them out to you.

What purpose is that?

I'll mention a few.

To punish offenders through imprisonment/fines.
To reduce crime through deterrence.
To reform and rehabilitate offenders.
To protect the publish.

In the UK the main focus is on rehabilitating offenders.

the law is drafted by them to do as they please

No it's not drafted by criminals/suspects. o_o

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format_quote Originally Posted by العنود

In that case it is a judicial matter left to someone with extended schooling, has excellence in judgement & character and not one left to say 12 oafs from the street who've barely a GED as is the case of the U.S system!

Presumably under sharia law the guilt of the accused would also have to established before any judgment was passed.

format_quote Originally Posted by glo

Presumably under sharia law the guilt of the accused would also have to established before any judgment was passed.

Is that not how it should work in every system? Both sides are heard, witnesses brought forth, corroboration of evidence, establishment of credibility of the individuals, sound knowledge and character of the judge, Punishment swift and befitting of crime which happens after establishment of guilt?

best,

format_quote Originally Posted by العنود

Is that not how it should work in every system? Both sides are heard, witnesses brought forth, corroboration of evidence, establishment of credibility of the individuals, sound knowledge and character of the judge? Punishment swift and befitting of crime which happens after establishment of guilt?

best,

Quite.

format_quote Originally Posted by glo

Quite.

Glad we're in agreement then. Justice should be blind.. But when you've 12 jurors planting the American flag in the middle of the table when the accused is a Muslim, I have my doubts to a fair trial. And when a maniac as we see happening everyday literally everyday mass murdering at malls, school, theatre, and being granted a reduced sentence either in a hotel like room or an insane asylum or free all together it kind of takes your faith in the system away.
I am not sure personally how I'd feel if I saw one of my young relatives being molested. I do know it happened to my relatives where the head of the family in this case dragged the man accused of molestation to the 9th floor to dump him from the balcony were it not for the neighbors interfering. And only so my relative wouldn't end up in jail when he has young kids and a family not because the man wasn't guilty everyone saw him and everyone was disgusted by him. He got off otherwise with a public humiliation and banishment from that lane but possibly he went somewhere else and was more careful about the kids he molested.
Until people taste injustice truly taste it will they understand and relate to anyone who decides to take matters into their own hand.

peace