Prevent strategy failing to rein in rise of UK's far right

**muslim brother** · 11-21-2016

The government’s controversial counter-radicalisation strategy, Prevent, has failed to change the attitudes of those on the far right, the shadow home secretary has said in response to figures showing the number of referrals linked to neo-nazism is overtaking Islamic extremism cases in some parts of the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/21/prevent-strategy-failing-to-rein-in-rise-of-uks-far-right-says-diane-abbott

**Zafran** · 12-19-2016

Originally Posted by Cherub786

My friend you are simply unaware of politics and the differences between political ideologies.

Libertarianism is not the same thing as Far-Right populism. There are crucial differences:

Libertarians are favorable towards free trade and immigration.
Far-Right nationalists oppose free trade and immigration.

Libertarians want freedom of religion and protection of people’s civil rights and liberties.
Far-Right nationalists want to restrict the civil liberties of Muslims to practice our religion.

Now I believe you are from the U.K., where libertarianism, for historical reasons, is very weak and not that well established in the political mainstream.

But here in America, libertarianism is stronger, and represented by people like Ron Paul (now his son Rand Paul), Gary Johnson, and others.

U.K. has less guarantee of people’s civil liberties, for example, the recent legislation proposed to expand surveillance. Libertarianism, however, is all about protecting privacy rights and limiting the role and power of government. In the U.K. and much of Europe, government is too big and the State has too much power, which usually results in less individual rights and liberties for the individual.

Muslims in Europe have not been exposed to libertarian ideas, coupled with the fact that they often come from Muslim countries where authoritarianism is so rampant. Therefore, they never consider the benefits of libertarianism and are oblivious to it. But anyone with an acute political mind knows that libertarianism is the most favorable politics as far as the Muslim community’s interests are concerned.

Now your second question is quite bizarre. We are not living in Arabia nor are infidels “invading” Arabia, so that is a completely hypothetical scenario. I am saying that libertarianism is beneficial to Muslims living in the West, that is not a universal approval of it, it is a restricted approval in a certain context, i.e., Muslim living in the West where we are a vulnerable minority who have separate interests from the rest of society.

The last time I checked the US had that largest military in world, have a police force that can shoot you and a prison that you can end up in without a trial (Guantanamo) and your saying the UK government is too big?

Last time I checked the UK was the land that produced Locke and mill - So i'm sure plenty of Muslims in the UK and Europe are aware of liberal ideas.

Libertarian? so your ok with Homosexuality, smoking weed and anti welfare state?

**Cherub786** · 12-19-2016

Originally Posted by Zafran

?? The last time I checked the US had that largest military in world, have a police force that can shoot you and a prison that you can end up in without a trial (Guantanamo)
and your saying the UK government is too big?

Libertarians are not in power in either America or Europe. The point I’m making is that Libertarianism is stronger in America than in the U.K or Europe. More people support it here. The Republican Party has a vibrant “libertarian wing”, and young people, such as myself, were especially inspired by Dr. Ron Paul back in 2008 when he ran for President.
Compare that to the state of Libertarianism in the U.K.
Constitutionally, America is more libertarian than the U.K. The U.K has nothing like a Bill of Rights (U.S) or the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Canada).
Consider the 2^nd Amendment for example, the right to bear arms. In the U.K gun rights are a disaster and are not protected constitutionally. I’m sure you know that according to Islamic teachings and Islamic culture owning a sword (and now the modern day firearms) is considered a birth right. Arabs and Afghans have always cherished their freedom to own firearms and teach their children from a young age how to use them. But this culture is completely alien in Europe where the government treats you like a helpless baby and you have very few civil freedoms and autonomy.

Last time I checked the UK was the land that produced Locke and mill - So i;m sure plenty of Muslim are aware of liberal ideas.
Libertarian? so your ok with Homosexuality, smoking weed and anti welfare state?

The classical liberal ideas may have originated with British thinkers like Locke, but historically they were experimented with and implemented in America. Thomas Jefferson was deeply influenced by Locke and was a liberal at heart. He was the one who put liberal ideas into the American constitution.
On the other hand, the U.K went in the direction of Hobbes and never truly embraced the spirit of classical liberalism. That is why the U.K is currently expanding surveillance without even blinking an eye. For them it’s a natural thing for the government to be Big Brother.

Libertarianism has nothing to do with homosexuality or smoking weed. Libertarianism is simply the idea that there should be less government and people have more freedom, especially economic freedom, political freedom to dissent, and civil liberties, especially to practice their religion.

As for the welfare state, I am totally against the idea of the welfare state as a matter of principle.