"Aleppo right now is MOST need of dua! Russia and Iran militia have besieged the last area remaining area (Sukari & Sayf al-dawla district) of #EasternAleppo where there are currently 80,000 civilians trapped in a 2km radius!! News confirm that Assad regime entering these areas are executing civilians on the streets - more than 200 so far! What has happened of oppression against innocent men, women, and children in the past month has never happened in recent history! They are in the worst situation imagineable with no exist. Some children are still under rubbles alive but they can't go help them because the regime will kill them. The evil regime executed all the medical staff in the Hayat hospital in al-Kilasa! O God, help the remaining people of Aleppo and grant them Your relief. O God, be with them and support them. Ya Allah!"
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Do you obey the king of Saudi? Do you consider him to be your leader, your king, and you will do whatever he says?
I want a yes or not answer.
Since I neither live in nor am a citizen of Saudi Arabia, how does this question apply to me?
But suppose I was a citizen of Saudi Arabia, yes, Islamically, I would be obliged to obey the authorities and the law of the land, even if I find the rulers distasteful. That is because the Qur'an and Sunnah command all Muslims to obey the government and law enforcement authorities. To disobey them would be a sin.
If. We can´t really know what would happens if Ottomans be there now or what if Ottomans wouldn´t never been there. It´s all about if. We can´t turn the history clock back and start wondering what would be if this and that. Reality is that there isn´t any Ottomans right now at this time and even if there would to be them, are they really be similar like history books show they were. What if your Ottomans would be today different and for example allies of the USA or Russia or the most brutal oppressors of others? We can´t never be sure because all of this is just "if".
Offcourse my assertion is only about the good portion of this history. I mean "if the good Ottomans" were here today.. Not only Aleppo, look at whole Middle-east, Caucasus, Balkans and how these regions were all messed up in the last century. They were living with order under the Ottoman rule for centuries before WW1.
And what if other nations in the Middle East wouldn´t like to live under the rule of good Ottomans but rule by themselves?
That too was just only the same "if".
Is it the recent trend that people at the Middle East are wishing the Ottomans back at all? This might be interesting matter to discuss but in some other thread maybe.
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
Abdullateef Khaled posted:
"Breaking news!
Irani militia fire shots on innocent civilians as they are being evacuated from besieged #Aleppo via Ramos crossing. 1 has been killed and 4 people have now been reportedly injured in the shooting!! Beyond all the suffering the people of Aleppo endured, the evil people won't stop their oppression on them! No one has left yet."
This is the Shi`a cult. This is how they treat Muslims.
Attitudes like yours are the reason why such atrocities take place in the first place.
Attitudes like yours are the reason why such atrocities take place in the first place.
That is the most ridiculous comment that has been made in this entire thread.
People with attitudes like mine don't exist in Syria, so why are such atrocities then taking place? The people being evacuated who these Kaafirs attack, have the complete opposite attitude to mine.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
This will sound highly controversial, but towards the end, the Ottomans had no Khilaafah at all. They had no say. Kamaal Attaturk al-Kaafir himself said that the then Khaleefah, Abdul Majid ath-Thani, was nothing but a nominal figurehead with no power at all. That's why he could just kick him out that easily and dissolve the whole "Ottoman Empire". The Ottomans had gone into decline from 1703 when they started modernising everything and the Spirit of Islaam was long lost.
Nonsense. The Ottoman Empire had stagnated way before that. Just recently in 1699, the Great Turkish War had ended with the Ottoman Empire being forced to cede territory to its European enemies for the first time in its history, something that would have been utterly unthinkable just a hundred years before. The reform era that started in 1703 was an attempt to turn things around, and was inspired by and specifically enabled by the fact that the recent defeat had revealed Ottoman loss of relative power in a way that nobody could deny. Besides, the "reforms" were mainly economical, not ideological.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
That is the most ridiculous comment that has been made in this entire thread.
People with attitudes like mine don't exist in Syria, so why are such atrocities then taking place? The people being evacuated who these Kaafirs attack, have the complete opposite attitude to mine.
True. It's those committing the atrocities that have the same attitude as you. You, like they, condemn entire groups as inherently evil, and everyone in them as individually condemned simply because of the group they belong to. If the tables were turned and the Sunni were butchering the Shia, you would be cheering them on and say that the Shia had it coming.
True. It's those committing the atrocities that have the same attitude as you. You, like they, condemn entire groups as inherently evil, and everyone in them as individually condemned simply because of the group they belong to. If the tables were turned and the Sunni were butchering the Shia, you would be cheering them on and say that the Shia had it coming.
The attitude is not the reason nor the cause for the killings. The Shi`as in Syria are not killing the Sunnis on account of Islaam or because they feel Shitism is the truth and Ahlus Sunnah is on Baatil. The Syrian government and army have no religion. They don't even really believe. They're more like atheists. The soldiers shooting do so because it's what their leader, Bashar asked them to do. And he, in turn, is doing it because he is afraid of losing his position. He wants to kill all "rebels" and even anyone who may one day potentially be a rebel. He's not doing it as part of a "Sunni vs Shia" fight.
America and Russia commit just as many atrocities as he does, and neither of them have the "Sunni vs Shia" attitude you're speaking about. They too bomb indiscriminately in Shaam and Iraq. Not only Shaam and Iraq, America bombs and kills indiscriminately all over the world.
The purpose of that thread of mine was that, "Know your enemies and take precautions against them."
Fighters haven't been allowed to leave. They all have explosive belts & say they won't allow themselves arrested if regime breaks deal. Potentially explosive situation is brewing.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
The attitude is not the reason nor the cause for the killings. The Shi`as in Syria are not killing the Sunnis on account of Islaam or because they feel Shitism is the truth and Ahlus Sunnah is on Baatil. The Syrian government and army have no religion. They don't even really believe. They're more like atheists. The soldiers shooting do so because it's what their leader, Bashar asked them to do. And he, in turn, is doing it because he is afraid of losing his position. He wants to kill all "rebels" and even anyone who may one day potentially be a rebel. He's not doing it as part of a "Sunni vs Shia" fight.
That's an interesting U-turn from you, maintaining that this has nothing to do with religion. Just recently you told us how this shows what evil kafirs the Shia are:
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
This is the Shi`a cult. This is how they treat Muslims.
format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam
The purpose of that thread of mine was that, "Know your enemies and take precautions against them."
I am an American does that mean I am your enemy? I am also an army veteran . I can tell you that most American military members are not on some crusade . They are only trying to escape poverty, pay for an education and feed a family. With an economy that is slowly getting worse and no jobs . It is hard for many young Americans with no education. Especially for the cost of education in the United States. Yes the American government gets involved in things that they shouldn't but it is not the people that are the problem. Even if the majority of Americans stood up against their government they would just pay some indiscriminate contractor to cause devastation to its own people. You are only looking at something from one side and not knowing the position of anyone else.
The issues in this world are bigger than a nationality or a religion. There is a majority that calls the shots of what some of the larger countries get involved in.
Instead of propagating more hatred and unrest we have to make a positive change everyday. Talking trash on the internet does nothing. We change minds by example and one person at a time.
That's an interesting U-turn from you, maintaining that this has nothing to do with religion. Just recently you told us how this shows what evil kafirs the Shia are:
I am an American does that mean I am your enemy? I am also an army veteran . I can tell you that most American military members are not on some crusade . They are only trying to escape poverty, pay for an education and feed a family. With an economy that is slowly getting worse and no jobs . It is hard for many young Americans with no education. Especially for the cost of education in the United States. Yes the American government gets involved in things that they shouldn't but it is not the people that are the problem. Even if the majority of Americans stood up against their government they would just pay some indiscriminate contractor to cause devastation to its own people. You are only looking at something from one side and not knowing the position of anyone else.
So people should make excuses for the American soldiers killing people around the world? That's what you're saying? Why, because they're "looking for a way out of poverty, trying to feed a family." Every single gangster in SA uses that same excuse. They break into people's houses, steal everything and shoot them dead. They do it to "escape poverty, and they're trying to feed a family." America doesn't know what is poverty. Compared to Africa, poverty doesn't exist in America. You can't compare the two. If excuses must be made for the American soldiers, then excuses should also be made for all of the rapists, thieves and murderers around the world. A person is driving in a car (SA), and he gets hijacked and killed, and they steal the car, his wallet, his watch, anything else that he has, and if there are children in the car, they get killed and cut up to be sold for "Muti" to witch-doctors in the locations. These guys also do that because they're "trying to escape poverty and trying to feed a family". In an economy that Can't get worse, it's already rock-bottom. Now, if you were to condemn the gangsters who did the act described (i.e. killing everyone in that car, including the children, and stealing the stuff), and you objected, a person can use that very same excuse to you. "You are only looking at something from one side and not knowing the position of anyone else."
The issues in this world are bigger than a nationality or a religion. There is a majority that calls the shots of what some of the larger countries get involved in.
The reality is that there is a war on Islaam. There is no war on Christianity, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or Buddhism, or atheism, or any other religion. The war is against Islaam. Every country is trying their hardest to eradicate Islaam, and they're starting off by eradicating the signs of Islaam, such as the Hijaab, the veil, the beard, etc.
The "War on Terror" is a blatant lie. They want to wipe out Islaam but they don't want people to think badly of them, so they instead lie and say they're trying to wipe out "terrorism". The terrorism they're referring to is Islaam, nothing else. Yet, people are fooled by their trash talk.
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