Why can't rich Arab countries take in all the Syrian refugees?

Some of the refugees are coming to the UK and they are more than welcomed. Surely you will get haters like you will everywhere but so far in my immediate area, they have been welcomed and are being treated like normal citizens. It's sad that the Muslim community are taking a back seat and it's the Christian community that are really going out of their way to support and aid them but I guess that just goes to show the state of the Ummah!

As for Europe, you hear about these horror stories where these refugees are alleged to be attacking young school girls and what not, but whether any of that is actually true or not is beyond me. I think the "powers that be" were scared senseless that people wanted to help the refugees and were welcoming them with open arms that they have to put some "spin" in the media to create hostility.

But Allah knows best.

If the Saudi government used those hajj tents to house refugees, what happens during the next hajj? Will the Saudi government be granted an internationally recognized, unconditional right to restore the status quo ante and discontinue the refugee housing should it choose to? I don't think so.

format_quote Originally Posted by ReckonerH

Firstly, I will admit that I am not the most informed person on this crisis and welcome anyone to point out matters I may sound ignorant in.

Second, I apologise if there is already a topic on this. If there is one I would appreciate a link to it.

With that said, it frustrates me a lot seeing fellow Muslims basically grovelling to non-muslims to take them in, and even when they are taken in they're begrudgingly allowed in.

Been living in Europe the past year, even came across some refugees living nearby. While they have been welcomed, a vocal minority (at least I think a minority) really resent and fear them. It's just sad to see and hear. Why do they have to put up with this?

We have so many rich Arab countries that surely have the resources to accommodate most, if not all, Syrians. I remember a while back reading about how the camp sites for the hajj are completely empty for the remainder of the year and Saudis refuse to give the space to the refugees.

I am just really sad and confused. What's going on? Why do I not hear anyone talking about this? Or am I just not looking in the right places?

The UK, one of the top 5 or 6 wealthiest nations on the planet is only taking in 20 000 Syrian refugees over the course of 5 years...that number is not set in stone. In reality it could decrease with many being deported, especially if far right organisations keep pushing claims that Syrians like to rape white women.

However, the issue is not just Syria and where Syrian refugees are going. The refugee crisis affects Africa and south Asia more so than the middle east and it is the poorest countries on the planet who are taking on board these refugees. Is it not Pakistan and Lebanon who have the highest refugee populations on the planet? And pretty much every middle eastern and African nation has a refugee population numbering in the hundreds of thousands, with tens of thousands arriving every year.

Kinda puts a few thousand going into europe and the US into perspective doesnt it?

Aren't there hadiths that say sending others in your place to do hajj counts as if you too completed Hajj? Surely there are similar hadiths/justifications on foregoing a Hajj so that refugees, and Muslim refugees at that, can find safe haven...in the holiest place on earth too! And even if not, surely Saudi Arabia has the resources to expand these Hajj campsites.

My last post was a response to futuwwa, sorry I dont know how to edit a post on the forum yet

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

KSA, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait, althogh provided a big amount of charity didnt accept any Syrian refugee.

This simply isn't true. As of 2011 the year the Arab Spring started the UAE provided at least 100,000 residency permits to Syrians, and that was 5 years ago, so it must be higher now. And given how small our local population is, this is a lot. This short video shows how much they are helping Syrians.

https://youtu.be/gI_hyHWHMVc

format_quote Originally Posted by Born_Believer

The UK, one of the top 5 or 6 wealthiest nations on the planet is only taking in 20 000 Syrian refugees over the course of 5 years...that number is not set in stone. In reality it could decrease with many being deported, especially if far right organisations keep pushing claims that Syrians like to rape white women.

That is just pathetic. The Syrian refugees we are working with are lovely people. They have nothing but are so generous it's unreal.

Just because some of them are numpties, doesn't mean they all are.

So Islam is just in name in these Muslims countries who actually have to take them and its a duty of Islam on them to help their brethren. Thats how the Today Muslim Ummah is . Inshallah we are seeing those signs that Allah told in his Noble Quran that he will bring new nations who would love Allah and Allah will love them and they will not be like them (born Muslims)

Muslim countries are too small to accommodate refugees in large number... Or their hearts are too small to accommodate the hapless people in their lands.

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

KSA, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait, althogh provided a big amount of charity didnt accept any Syrian refugee. I also don't know why.

because victims are Muslims....

format_quote Originally Posted by ReckonerH

Firstly, I will admit that I am not the most informed person on this crisis and welcome anyone to point out matters I may sound ignorant in.

Second, I apologise if there is already a topic on this. If there is one I would appreciate a link to it.

With that said, it frustrates me a lot seeing fellow Muslims basically grovelling to non-muslims to take them in, and even when they are taken in they're begrudgingly allowed in.

Been living in Europe the past year, even came across some refugees living nearby. While they have been welcomed, a vocal minority (at least I think a minority) really resent and fear them. It's just sad to see and hear. Why do they have to put up with this?

We have so many rich Arab countries that surely have the resources to accommodate most, if not all, Syrians. I remember a while back reading about how the camp sites for the hajj are completely empty for the remainder of the year and Saudis refuse to give the space to the refugees.

I am just really sad and confused. What's going on? Why do I not hear anyone talking about this? Or am I just not looking in the right places?

I've heard that one of the main reasons Saudi Arabia doesn't want Syrian refugees is because Saudi Arabia is extremely anti secular (truly extreme) and the absolute purity of their anti secularism would be upset by the relatively secular expectations of the Syrian refugees. Even if those refugees are Sunni (and most are), they are too secular for the Saudis by Saudi standards. (And Qatari standards, and a couple of other oil-rich states).

Of course, this is secularism in relative terms. Turkey remains more secular than Syria is, and Germany (where most of them want to wind up) is way more secular than that. And by German standards, the Syrian refugees are generally not considered to be terribly secular, and that is one of the issues they're running into. It's funny how we're so short on Sunni countries with the right level of secularism (although Oman might be a good candidate if people could get there), and it's puzzling that Saudi Arabia doesn't aspire to be the right sort of place for Muslims in need. Jordan, Lebanon, and Turkey- over and over again- find that it all falls on them.

KSA already is the special place of mandatory hajj, so it seems rather odd that they don't want to be a safe haven for all Sunni Muslims. Of course they're not going to be on the best terms with their Shia neighbors, and I'd expect them to have some issues with some Sufi and the more fringe groups. But the vast majority of these refugees are Sunni, for goodness sake. Are they really going to shut out refugees because they have the second- or third- lowest levels of secularism in the region, and that doesn't measure up to Saudi standards of complete and total anti-secularism?

Yes, apparently that is exactly how it works with them, as far as I've been made aware. And that is just egregiously unreasonable. They're going to sit there and say, Nope, we do not compromise on this. How dare you ask if we would move on this in any way. We say no, we forbid it, and that is all we're going to say. This is how Real Islam is done, so be homeless somewhere else, we cannot allow your ideas of (relative) tolerance and religious pluralism to permanently dwell within the kingdom.

For real, how uncompromising and unreasonable is that?

Here's a piece by Mohammad Ahmad on this very issue.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usato...id-metropcs-us

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

They do take them in. They are given jobs, free school, free healthcare, housing, etc. but they are not called "refugees." They are treated as residents.

They also are the ones who provide housing and camps in places like Turkey and Jordan.

Why they don't do more, I don't know. It could be due to political reasons, security reasons, etc. Allahu a'lem. But as an ummah, each person should do their part in helping the organizations which are already helping refugees. We can't always just wait on governments to do everything, and there are people all over the world who need help not just Syrians. Syrians are getting a lot of coverage, which is great because there are so many organizations dedicated to helping them already, but we forget that there are other groups in the world who need just as much help and unfortunately are not getting the same coverage/attention that they deserve.

Women and children were put in camps in the middle of the desert in the arabian peninsula with no running water. Saudis were gathering to "marry" their daughters for x amount of money for a week or two. Instead of helping them, or ask them to leave for that matter they attacked them. Jordan has forced christian missionaries upon the refugees in their country who force the muslims there to read up on christian literature. They're telling them to read a some chrisitan books to later test them if they actually memorized anything, if they don't they lose their homes. Turkey are using the refugees as a weapon against Europe to get political advantages there and even to try to enter the EU, which they have been trying to do for a very long time now.

By the way, all of these countries that you have mentioned, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Jordan are literally fighting the muslims of Syria together with the disbelievers.

So you've got the wrong picture about them. They don't care about the muslims, they are in fact enemies of muslims and are fighting them every day. The governments of Saudia Arabia, Jordan and Turkey are not our friends.

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

The refugees are not used as some M-16s against EU in Turkey. Laughing out loud. In fact they have even more rights than turkish nationals. Turkey have the most crowded refugee population with around 3 million and goes on to take more from Europe for some favors from EU.

they are actually.....erdogan threatened to "unleash them" on europe if they don't give visa free travel to his citizens