US is pushing it towards WW3. When you observe closely, they do not wait for proof or investigation who has done this. What does this say? This means, they KNOW Syrian Army has nothing to do with this. They have planned it themselves.
Just look for example at Erdogan and the false flag coup. There was so called "coup"aka false flag coup and suddenly within 1 week a list of all Gulen supporters and Kurds etc was applied. I mean huh? How in the world can somebody in such a short amount of time have such a list? In other words he already had made up and investigated who were Gulen-supporters and needed so reason to get rid of them.
This is EXACTLY what has happened right now in Syria.
Yes if a true Islamic caliphate is going to be established I am for it rather than a nationalist and secular Turkey. I don't deny this. But it cannot be established by your kkind of mentality too. the Turkish flag has an Islamic connotation. Even imagination of using it to clean shoes is simply meaningless. Kurds helped Seljuk Empire when they were at the gate of the conquest of Anatolia from the Byzantines. Ottoman Empire with all their flawws was an example of an Islamic caliphate and Kurds were ok with it most of the time. Anything is possible. Salahaddin is known as a Kurd but there were Turks in his army. When the case is Islam they united many times. I have told it to you and am telling again. I am not propogating to impose the Turkish nationalism on Kurds. Everyone has their own culture. But when it comes to the Islamic cause, everyone needs to know their mission.
I mentioned the hadiths because you mentioned your expections for a chaos of Turkey. I am not here trying to prove anything. You can find them by yourself I believe. I will start a thread later inshallah concerning this subject. Just too lazy fro now.
Yes if a true Islamic caliphate is going to be established I am for it rather than a nationalist and secular Turkey. I don't deny this. But it cannot be established by your kkind of mentality too. the Turkish flag has an Islamic connotation. Even imagination of using it to clean shoes is simply meaningless. Kurds helped Seljuk Empire when they were at the gate of the conquest of Anatolia from the Byzantines. Ottoman Empire with all their flawws was an example of an Islamic caliphate and Kurds were ok with it most of the time. Anything is possible. Salahaddin is known as a Kurd but there were Turks in his army. When the case is Islam they united many times. I have told it to you and am telling again. I am not propogating to impose the Turkish nationalism on Kurds. Everyone has their own culture. But when it comes to the Islamic cause, everyone needs to know their mission.
I mentioned the hadiths because you mentioned your expections for a chaos of Turkey. I am not here trying to prove anything. You can find them by yourself I believe. I will start a thread later inshallah concerning this subject. Just too lazy fro now.
It is not for me that i say it should not be done, but simply one acknowledging that nationalism is not the key and not defending it is enough. As i for example do not support the corruption among Kurds and am not pursuing anything secular that happens within Kurdish lands. However if they say we want independence and for now as no REAL Islamic Caliphate is being created, i say i advocate for a independent Kurdistan. Why? Because Turkish nationalistic secular state, isn't really treating Kurds fair as well as the Arabs and the Persians nationalistic states. So based on this, a independent Kurdistan is BETTER than having to live under oppression of those governments. Until a REAL Islamic Caliphate would be able to rise, i would without a doubt wish and work for the independent Kurdistan to fall and make place for the REAL Islamic Caliphate.
Sallahedine Ayubi, fought for Islam and EXACTLY what i try to make it clear for you and what i try to pursue myself. However as a Kurd myself we Kurds have seen SOO MUCH betrayal from Arabs, Turks and Persians. That only has made me be careful who to call my brother and who not. So that is also i am thankful to Allah that He has made me Kurd as i am skeptical and careful who to take as my friend and ally.
That the Turkish flag has a "Islamic connotation" doesn't mean it is a Islamic flag and why i used the example of cleaning the bottom of the shoes is as they don't care about what Turkey stands for and what Turkish nationalism stands for. As when a REAL Islamic Caliphate would rise, that flag would be a bad stain from the past not be used anymore.
The Ottoman empire how corrupt they even were, they had at least some principles. However with the arrival of the crypto-jew Mustafa Kemal the little good that the Ottoman Empire still held Islam in high regard, was thrown out of the window with nationalism and secularism. Even to this day if you really ponder about it, it had fitted VERY VERY VERY well with the Zionists to make place for the oppressive Zionist state. Mustafa kemal by logic, rationality and reason has done EVERYTHING even that was beneficial for the Zionists, however many Turks somehow don't seem to notice this or maybe just refuse to acknowledge this as it would shatter their nationalistic dream that they have been brainwashed all along.
About the hadith, i know from Islamic end times that Turkey will be chaotic and expecting as not what i want, but it is GOING TO HAPPEN. When that will take place, Allah knows best. However based on my limited understanding and knowledge i would almost argue that what is going on in the Middle East might be the start of it. However about your hadith i have NEVER heard of, so that is why i said do post it.
This hadith is mentioned in Kutub al-sittah many times. "Leave Turks alone as long as they leave you alone" It means don't fight with Turks as long as they don't attack you. Get on well with Turks. There are many other haidths.
This hadith is mentioned in Kutub al-sittah many times. "Leave Turks alone as long as they leave you alone" It means don't fight with Turks as long as they don't attack you. Get on well with Turks. There are many other haidths.
Leaving them alone is one thing if they are leaving YOU alone which is not the case as they are occupying Kurdish lands doing oppressing in the name of Turkish nationalism . So if they leave those lands I say I am more than happy to agree to leave them lone.
Rasullah (saws) like he said as long as they leave you alone. The current Turks are clearly not leaving people alone as you see they have their Ottoman ambitions and attacking for their interests so in other words the agressor.
About Abyssinia look back in 2006. Somalia was finally trying to get out of civil war and wanting to set up a country ruled by Islamic rulings which Ethiopia later on invaded them.
So one must a bit ponder about why Rasullah (saws) said "as long as they leave you alone"..so I guess it is rather a hint to that they WILL attack you...there is more than meets the eye and don't make those people always the victim you know.
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So do share what you use and i will in'sha'Allah react based on logic, rationality and reason if it is a good news outlet or not.
I do not really follow certain media outlets, rather original sources, like rebel statements etc., and conflict analysts on Twitter. Still I like for example "The long war journal", "War is boring" and Aljazeera. I assume you mean by "I don't believe what the media tells me" that you're questioning what they present, and that's basically what everyone does, or should do.
Sputnik is for me clearly a means of propaganda, if I look on their website start page, all headlines are directly accusing the "West" or the USA of doing something, whereby no mention of Russian/Iranian crimes are found.
RT is maybe a bit less severe, but the same. You said they're providing proofs, but I never came across that. For a period of time I was following their YouTube channel, and in one of their news broadcasting on the siege of Madaya, they said for example that "rebel snipers are shooting people who want to evacuate the area" and they "do not allow anyone to leave". Maybe I should follow their content more regularly, in order to get a clear image of them, in comparison with other sources, but I really do not have the least trust for them.
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So i say A(YPG nationalistic people and should not be supported) and after that i say B (Turks nationalistic people and should not be supported). Are you willing to also say the same? This is the cross roads of hypocrisy if you do not willing to say the same.
YPG are left extremist terroristس, and the Turkish Army (TSK) is fighting for the interestس of a secular, nationalist state. I am admitting this, and I do not support the Turkish Army. But like I said, as of a merely Muslim perspective, the Turkish Army is more preferable, as they're leaving the areas to rebels, who then establish local elective administrations. Whereby the YPG oppress arab tribes, suppress political opposition and incorporate women into military units against there will. There is an analysis by the Washington Institute, where this aspects are mentioned as motives of arab tribes in Raqqa to prefer IS, despite their brutality and despotism, against the YPG. That analyisis is written based on interviews with tribesmen conducted covertly in IS held territories in Raqqa. There are also some Amnesty International reports on YPG displacing local people.
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And [there is a share for] those who came after them, saying, "Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts [any] resentment toward those who have believed. Our Lord, indeed You are Kind and Merciful." (Surat al-Hashr, 10)
I do not really follow certain media outlets, rather original sources, like rebel statements etc., and conflict analysts on Twitter. Still I like for example "The long war journal", "War is boring" and Aljazeera. I assume you mean by "I don't believe what the media tells me" that you're questioning what they present, and that's basically what everyone does, or should do.
Sputnik is for me clearly a means of propaganda, if I look on their website start page, all headlines are directly accusing the "West" or the USA of doing something, whereby no mention of Russian/Iranian crimes are found.
RT is maybe a bit less severe, but the same. You said they're providing proofs, but I never came across that. For a period of time I was following their YouTube channel, and in one of their news broadcasting on the siege of Madaya, they said for example that "rebel snipers are shooting people who want to evacuate the area" and they "do not allow anyone to leave". Maybe I should follow their content more regularly, in order to get a clear image of them, in comparison with other sources, but I really do not have the least trust for them.
If one says they are anti-west and give only anti-west news, i agree 100% with that statement if somebody says that. However that is EXACTLY what i want to know. As i am living in the west, the criminals that are in the government don't tell me what kind of criminal activities they are doing, so that is why i go to RT and Sputnik. About rebel news, i often have also my doubts but besides that i am not a native Arabic speaker. To give you an example, the white helmets, those guys are being promoted to show objective evidence and such, however i do not look at what they show, i look at who pays them. In this case, we see very clearly who pays them...being the west. So if i pay you, you obey me. But thanks for providing other sources, i will be looking in to them, because CNN, BBC, reuters..those news outlets, those guys really try to keep you occupied with most nonsense things there are. Just like sheytan trying to occupy you with nonsense stuff to prevent you from praying and other important things. These guys do exactly the same. Keep you blind for the their criminal activities.
Read this article, then you will see how big of a criminals they are.
Off course this kind of news about such a mentality will not find the civilians..Go read the article...
format_quote Originally Posted by Yahya.
YPG are left extremist terroristس, and the Turkish Army (TSK) is fighting for the interestس of a secular, nationalist state. I am admitting this, and I do not support the Turkish Army. But like I said, as of a merely Muslim perspective, the Turkish Army is more preferable, as they're leaving the areas to rebels, who then establish local elective administrations. Whereby the YPG oppress arab tribes, suppress political opposition and incorporate women into military units against there will. There is an analysis by the Washington Institute, where this aspects are mentioned as motives of arab tribes in Raqqa to prefer IS, despite their brutality and despotism, against the YPG. That analyisis is written based on interviews with tribesmen conducted covertly in IS held territories in Raqqa. There are also some Amnesty International reports on YPG displacing local people.
Although i am a Kurd and i am a Muslim, i trust YPG MORE than the Turks. Why? Because the war the Turks have with so called YPG and PKK, is false. They are in war with Kurds in general, however one has to pay to little details. So as Kurds we have been betrayed by many who call themselves Muslims..being Arabs, Turks or Persians. Turks however are the MOST nationalistic among them. Also, Persians themselves are not that happy with the government, the Arabs are also not that happy with the government so in both the case, many are awake of what is going on. However Turks as a people are as blind as one can be, they believe whatever the government says. Like i have said in different posts, i do not like Gulen for a bit ..as there is no difference between Gulen-movement or AKP-movement..as both of them follow nationalism. However truth is truth and coup was done in such a poor manner, that every person who's eyes are open and asks questions will see that it was rather a false flag, instead of being a real coup. Yet, the Turks like sheep..beeeh..follow everything that Erdogan says.
Besides that, they use people to the top. Some people have at least some principles. For example Saudi Arabia, ..criminals, but still have principles about their mentality. The Iranians,...criminals..but also have principles to some extend as you see for example with them clearly objecting the Zionists. Turks however, have no principles WHATSOEVER. Western countries for example have same mentality as they also have NO principles whatsoever. People who have no principles, are dangerous. Why? Because today they are your friend and tomorrow they are your enemy. As Muslims we must have principles and our principles are Islamic principles to never betray our own Muslim brothers. The Turks so called "helped" FSA, but it was rather to prevent the Kurds joining their cantons and had nothing to do with ISIS or so. All the Turks care about is nationalism. Their principles are nationalism, however i was even amazed by this..when Erdogan apologized to Putin for downing the jet. The Turks would sell their body so to say to the highest seller. There is no different between a prostitue and Turkish government. I first though it is because of secularism in the time with Kemalists being in power, however even a party that claims Islam..Islam..Islam..i have lost all respect. With that also helping ISIS, because ISIS was killing and attacking YPG. While it is very clear that in Islam we know the Khawarij and what we have to do with them..yet the Turks supporting them.
Any ways, if some Arab tribes rather want to be under ISIS or Turkish rule, it is their choice and i have nothing to say. However if there are Arabs and Kurds that want rather be under YPG rule, also i say it is their choice and i have nothing to say. However to me right now Turkey tries to conquer places YPG has conquered and the people being happy under their rule. For example as far as i know with Manbij is under YPG rule and the people there happy to be. Yet Turkey wanting to conquer it..for their own interest.
So that is why i say, Turkey is nothing but trouble in my eyes. The current problem that are being created are done by Iranians and Turks. Almost forgot about it, i get through Kurdish news some news about Iran. Off course i am not saying you must agree with me that i see Turkey as terrorists, but just think about what i am saying. It isn't based on some feelings.
Although i am a Kurd and i am a Muslim, i trust YPG MORE than the Turks. Why? Because the war the Turks have with so called YPG and PKK, is false. They are in war with Kurds in general, however one has to pay to little details. So as Kurds we have been betrayed by many who call themselves Muslims..being Arabs, Turks or Persians. Turks however are the MOST nationalistic among them. Also, Persians themselves are not that happy with the government, the Arabs are also not that happy with the government so in both the case, many are awake of what is going on. However Turks as a people are as blind as one can be, they believe whatever the government says. Like i have said in different posts, i do not like Gulen for a bit ..as there is no difference between Gulen-movement or AKP-movement..as both of them follow nationalism. However truth is truth and coup was done in such a poor manner, that every person who's eyes are open and asks questions will see that it was rather a false flag, instead of being a real coup. Yet, the Turks like sheep..beeeh..follow everything that Erdogan says.
Besides that, they use people to the top. Some people have at least some principles. For example Saudi Arabia, ..criminals, but still have principles about their mentality. The Iranians,...criminals..but also have principles to some extend as you see for example with them clearly objecting the Zionists. Turks however, have no principles WHATSOEVER. Western countries for example have same mentality as they also have NO principles whatsoever. People who have no principles, are dangerous. Why? Because today they are your friend and tomorrow they are your enemy. As Muslims we must have principles and our principles are Islamic principles to never betray our own Muslim brothers. The Turks so called "helped" FSA, but it was rather to prevent the Kurds joining their cantons and had nothing to do with ISIS or so. All the Turks care about is nationalism. Their principles are nationalism, however i was even amazed by this..when Erdogan apologized to Putin for downing the jet. The Turks would sell their body so to say to the highest seller. There is no different between a prostitue and Turkish government. I first though it is because of secularism in the time with Kemalists being in power, however even a party that claims Islam..Islam..Islam..i have lost all respect. With that also helping ISIS, because ISIS was killing and attacking YPG. While it is very clear that in Islam we know the Khawarij and what we have to do with them..yet the Turks supporting them.
Any ways, if some Arab tribes rather want to be under ISIS or Turkish rule, it is their choice and i have nothing to say. However if there are Arabs and Kurds that want rather be under YPG rule, also i say it is their choice and i have nothing to say. However to me right now Turkey tries to conquer places YPG has conquered and the people being happy under their rule. For example as far as i know with Manbij is under YPG rule and the people there happy to be. Yet Turkey wanting to conquer it..for their own interest.
So that is why i say, Turkey is nothing but trouble in my eyes. The current problem that are being created are done by Iranians and Turks. Almost forgot about it, i get through Kurdish news some news about Iran. Off course i am not saying you must agree with me that i see Turkey as terrorists, but just think about what i am saying. It isn't based on some feelings.
I am also a Turk and one fourth Kurdish (mixed). It is a fact that the Turkish Republic has been oppressing the Kurds since its establishment in 1923. But I think things changed now, and the situation is amending. In the past the whole existence of Kurds as a race was being denied, for example. Anyway, I don't want to advocate a secular government, may Allah bless us with a righteous Islamic government, which deals it citizens regardless of ethnicity and implements the laws of Allah.
Unfortunately, the nationalistic principles of Ataturk are deeply rooted in the Turkish constitution, and it seems impossible to remove these. And also political parties are considered "secular" and are not allowed to attribute themselves to a certain religion. This means, no matter how much the AKP implies a conservative or islamist image, it's a secular party, and they even have some atheist members.
And [there is a share for] those who came after them, saying, "Our Lord, forgive us and our brothers who preceded us in faith and put not in our hearts [any] resentment toward those who have believed. Our Lord, indeed You are Kind and Merciful." (Surat al-Hashr, 10)
I am also a Turk and one fourth Kurdish (mixed). It is a fact that the Turkish Republic has been oppressing the Kurds since its establishment in 1923. But I think things changed now, and the situation is amending. In the past the whole existence of Kurds as a race was being denied, for example. Anyway, I don't want to advocate a secular government, may Allah bless us with a righteous Islamic government, which deals it citizens regardless of ethnicity and implements the laws of Allah.
Unfortunately, the nationalistic principles of Ataturk are deeply rooted in the Turkish constitution, and it seems impossible to remove these. And also political parties are considered "secular" and are not allowed to attribute themselves to a certain religion. This means, no matter how much the AKP implies a conservative or islamist image, it's a secular party, and they even have some atheist members.
I agree, however i have found a solution that can remove this nationalism. Turkey MUST fall. I have looked at every other possibility, but the nationalism is DEEP in the hearts of people who are in politics, as well as the civilians themselves. Even trying to educate Turks on this matter it is like trying to move a mountain. So ONLY way out of this is Turkey to fall.
As i said in a previous comment, Turkey will fall/be chaotic if we look at the Islamic end times. If we look at the current world events especially in the Middle East and Turkey, it also looks like it is heading towards it. In the past Ottoman empire was united under imperialistic mentality. Modern day Turkey was based on nationalism and also that was like glue that united the people. The arrival of AKP created the division between Muslims (AKP + Gulen) vs Kemalists (secular Turks). Now some years later, this has been divided in three groups and none likes the other. The Kurds even are uniting because of Erdogans approach towards Kurds. A civil war is heading towards Turkey it looks like it, however Allah knows best if it indeed will happen like that and when.
However looking at all the last 4 years, things have gone SO FAST that i am shocked what is going on. From Arab-spring to ISIS to Syria to Ukraine chaos and now also North Korea..to Yemen..so many of these things have come out of nowhere one could say. So thinking about this hadith,
"When Al-Fai' is distributed(preferentially), trust is a spoil of war, Zakat is a fine, knowledge is sought for other than the(sake of the) religion, a man obeys his wife and disobeys his mother, he is close to his friend and far from his father, voices are raised in the Masajid, tribes are led by their wicked, the leader of the people is the most despicable among them, the most honored man is the one whose evil the people are afraid of, singing slave-girls and music spread, intoxicants are drunk, and the end of this Ummah curses its beginning- then anticipate a red wind, earthquake, collapsing of the earth, transformation, Qadhf, and the signs follow in succession like gems of a necklace whose string is cut and so they fall in succession."
I am surprised and i now understand the words of Rasullah(saws) that the major signs will come one after another so fast. 4 years in a human life is NOTHING, yet these things worldwide have happened in just those years, i now can imagine the major signs come so fast one after the other even faster than what we already have known and seen worldwide.
I don't read national news here in the west and only read international news for bigger part. The people here are noticing NOTHING what is going on, because they are kept distracted from what is going on. I have a feeling that we will not reach 2050 because before that time majors signs will appear already, however Allah knows best about it. Also not to forget King Salman of Saudi Arabia is also old and going towards his death. That is the last original son of the first ruler of Saudi Arabia. In other words chaos most probably will also ignite in Saudi Arabia who takes over the kingdom as the rest are all grandchildren of ibn Saud.
So majority of the Turks also will not see those things, because they are kept blind and if you try to invoke pondering, yet with anger they look away. The best thing to do, is right now learn as much as possible Islamic and survival knowledge and train the body and the mind i would say.
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Something had to be done. Could you Imagine your own government killing innocent babies and people? With chemical weapons at that! Wouldn't you want help from outside support?
More needs to be done really! The leader needs to be overthrown and Russia needs to be accountable for what they're helping to hide and protect. They need to quit supporting the current leader
America represents freedom and liberty. It's our duty to come to the rescue of the poor innocent people of Syria.
But I also acknowledge that the USA doesn't need to continue getting in the middle of every conflict. We have done way to more in the world where we don't belong (invasion of Iraq for example).
But this calls for attention.
Something had to be done. Could you Imagine your own government killing innocent babies and people? With chemical weapons at that! Wouldn't you want help from outside support?
More needs to be done really! The leader needs to be overthrown and Russia needs to be accountable for what they're helping to hide and protect. They need to quit supporting the current leader
America represents freedom and liberty. It's our duty to come to the rescue of the poor innocent people of Syria.
But I also acknowledge that the USA doesn't need to continue getting in the middle of every conflict. We have done way to more in the world where we don't belong (invasion of Iraq for example).
But this calls for attention.
You brother with ALL THE RESPECT, need to read a lot more and watch a lot more what is really going on. "America represents freedom and liberty"..go ask most of the Christians that do not follow nationalism, rather their faith they will say quite the opposite.
I would advice you to watch some documentaries to start with to know why for example south America hate US so much. "War on Democracy (2007)"
You brother with ALL THE RESPECT, need to read a lot more and watch a lot more what is really going on. "America represents freedom and liberty"..go ask most of the Christians that do not follow nationalism, rather their faith they will say quite the opposite.
I would advice you to watch some documentaries to start with to know why for example south America hate US so much. "War on Democracy (2007)"
Actually, I follow the news closely and watch a lot of documentaries.. I know what is going on as I am a writer and it's my job.
I stand by my comment. But respect yours.
Actually, I follow the news closely and watch a lot of documentaries.. I know what is going on as I am a writer and it's my job.
I stand by my comment. But respect yours.
Indeed like the WMD weapons that were found all over Iraq and George Bush being in jail now for finding those WMD weapons. Iraq for sure we're given a lot of freedom and democracy by having those WMD weapons removed all thanks to US.
Sometimes not seeing the tree in front of you is a choice. How? Keeping your eyes closed is a choice.
Indeed like the WMD weapons that were found all over Iraq and George Bush being in jail now for finding those WMD weapons. Iraq for sure we're given a lot of freedom and democracy by having those WMD weapons removed all thanks to US.
Sometimes not seeing the tree in front of you is a choice. How? Keeping your eyes closed is a choice.
Have a good day
Yes, that was a huge mistake. Attacking Iraq. We were told it was because they had weapons of mass destruction but I'm reality there were other agenda's. One being the fact that the USA wsnted control of the middle East. It was part of a larger plan. That plan included replacing regimes that interfered with US interests, placing army bases all across the middle East and invading or occupying a series of countries throughout the middle East.
It was a long-term plan that was deliberately laid out long ago and that was the real reason for attacking Iraq. And that is also the reason for ISIS and our continuing presence in the ME. That's for another topic though.
Indeed like the WMD weapons that were found all over Iraq and George Bush being in jail now for finding those WMD weapons. Iraq for sure we're given a lot of freedom and democracy by having those WMD weapons removed all thanks to US.
Sometimes not seeing the tree in front of you is a choice. How? Keeping your eyes closed is a choice.
Have a good day
As far as Syria goes, this too is part of that same larger plan. And that is the only reason they attacked Syria. Otherwise, without their plan of dominating the ME, the US wouldn't have attacked otherwise. I guarantee it.
But with that aside, I don't care what the motivating drive is, the fact that they went in and sent a warning is all I care about. Because it's called for.
You don't attack innocent people with chemical weapons just to kill off those who oppose you as a leader and to send a death threat to everyone else who stands up against you. That's insane. How would you feel if you lived in such a place? Where your leader was killing your family, friends and maybe even you! Just for expressing their opinions and thoughts. Wouldn't you hope that someone would come to the rescue? Or at least send in a warning against your President to say.... "We won't allow you to continue mass murders of your people anymore..if it happens again, it won't be 59 tomahawk missiles, we will end you"?
I sure would!
Yes, that was a huge mistake. Attacking Iraq. We were told it was because they had weapons of mass destruction but I'm reality there were other agenda's. One being the fact that the USA wsnted control of the middle East. It was part of a larger plan. That plan included replacing regimes that interfered with US interests, placing army bases all across the middle East and invading or occupying a series of countries throughout the middle East.
It was a long-term plan that was deliberately laid out long ago and that was the real reason for attacking Iraq. And that is also the reason for ISIS and our continuing presence in the ME. That's for another topic though.
How is that another topic? You first said US stands for freedom and democracy, however this comment that TELLS THE TRUTH ..somehow is saying oppressing and dictatorship.. o_O??
As far as Syria goes, this too is part of that same larger plan. And that is the only reason they attacked Syria. Otherwise, without their plan of dominating the ME, the US wouldn't have attacked otherwise. I guarantee it.
But with that aside, I don't care what the motivating drive is, the fact that they went in and sent a warning is all I care about. Because it's called for.
You don't attack innocent people with chemical weapons just to kill off those who oppose you as a leader and to send a death threat to everyone else who stands up against you. That's insane. How would you feel if you lived in such a place? Where your leader was killing your family, friends and maybe even you! Just for expressing their opinions and thoughts. Wouldn't you hope that someone would come to the rescue? Or at least send in a warning against your President to say.... "We won't allow you to continue mass murders of your people anymore..if it happens again, it won't be 59 tomahawk missiles, we will end you"?
I sure would!
Brother no offense, read your comments again.. Do you know you sound very contradictory? First you say US stands for freedom and democracy. THEN you say indeed they want to occupy the Middle East for their higher agenda (which is bad according to you with that i also agree)..then you see..no they stand for freedom and democracy.
Have you ever wondered that maybe people in the Middle East do NOT want democracy? Ever wondered about that? What about if the people themselves want a Islamic Caliphate..as they are Muslims and such a state would be ruled according to Islamic rulings. Yet US says we know a "better" rulings way that is called democracy. Democracy is rather a old concept not a "new concept". If we talk about new concept the Islamic way of ruling is rather the new concept and more just than this democratic concept.
That being aside, why do you think the Middle East is in such a mess? Have you ever heard of false flag attack and that maybe US has done it themselves because Assad is not in THEIR interest?
Brother come on i hold you in a higher intellectual category than this what you are showing me. Please do try to meet up with that.
The current US is FAR away from what the founding fathers of US wanted. This already should make one say "huh?" The current US has NOTHING to do with freedom, all is in the hands of companies. Look at election campaigns as companies inject mass amount of money in the candidates to be good to them when they are elected. There are companies that give money to both as to be sure that the laws they take after being president would be of benefit for their companies. YOU KNOW THIS..but how come i have to repeat this to you once again? Is this freedom? and "democracy"? All i see is companies benefiting once somebody becomes president. (Clinton Cash 2016 )
So please do take your time to digest this all as i do not see you as a dumb person, rather know and i am certain that you have fair amount of intellect to think logically, rationally and reasonably.
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