I'm kinda tired of having to both defend against people who are racist against Arabs and Muslims from Islamaphobes online, who say we are terrorists, backwards, close-minded, racists etc, while on the other hand every so often having to hear Muslims with bigoted attitudes, that they don't even recognise as being bigoted.
For example, once at work a Pakistani guy said that he would never get married to a non-Pakistani, and he was totally oblivious to how racist his comment was, even when I spelt it out to him. He just couldn't get it. Plus he was telling this to me, a non-Pakistani, lol.
On another occasion (and I am soooo sorry for constantly mentioning nationalities in this topic, but I am just trying to illustrate a point) my Palestinian American colleague was talking about his wife (she's a Palestinian born and raised in Jordan) who made a casual comment about how shocked she was that their White European neighbour, I think a British or Aussie convert, could get married to a Somali girl. If I remember correctly she said something like 'How could they get married. He is so white and she is so black'. Both of us, who have grown up in the West were just baffled with the casual racism (and colorism) that easily slips out of the mouths of people around us, and from all nationalities. We are in the UAE btw.
Now I know for a fact, not all Muslims are racist, and I like to think that the majority of us are not (at least in my circle of friends), but we do seem to be diseased community with this issue, and no one ever likes to talk about it, without getting defensive.
With all due respects, I don't agree with this at all.
I'm not sure what is so distasteful about speaking with the accent of the country your born in? I would love to have an Irish accent, lol, but as I am born in the West Midlands I talk in that way instead, it's not something one has a choice in, and it's definitely not being sycophantic.
btw, it irritates me as much as anyone else if I see someone rejecting their own culture for another out of shame or embarrassment. We should all be proud of our roots and cultures but not in a way which gives us the impression we are superior to others. I wear the jilbaab on, because it is just so practical and comfortable for me, and so many people accused me of adopting Arab culture as I have some complex about my own...and funnily enough it is those people who'll complain if you do something too 'Kashmiri' or 'Pakistani'. Neither should we have an inferiority complex about ourselves, and nor a superiority complex.
Ok, fair enough comments. I suppose one really can't completely avoid the accent of the country they are born in. Still, this doesn't change the fact that many Asian immigrants (as you also agree) become sycophantic and ape the mannerisms and ways of the kuffar in order to attempt to try to not "look out of place" in front of them, even though this is actually futile anyway given their racial characteristics automatically render this impossible. I fully agree that one should take pride and never become ashamed of their race and religion and culture and roots of their country of origin. When Asian sycophancy and aping of the Western kuffar takes over, the Western kuffar can SEE this grovelling and sycophancy and they either openly or secretly laugh at the weakness.
It is true that many non Germanic races have had a history of not having any racial pride and caring much for race purity. HOWEVER, Vikings and other Germanic races were fierce warriors and race purists who had for thousands of years had retained an equally fierce aversion to miscegenation.
Except for the Vikings who conquered and settled in England, Normandy, Russia and Sicily. They all miscegenated with the conquered to the point that they were assimilated by them within a few centuries. The conquerors were assimilated by the conquered. They demonstrably didn't care about either racial purity nor preserving their culture. Oh, and the original female population of Iceland is three quarters Celtic, presumably abducted through raiding, as shown by female-line genetic markers in the current Icelandic population.
Except for the Vikings who conquered and settled in England, Normandy, Russia and Sicily. They all miscegenated with the conquered to the point that they were assimilated by them within a few centuries. The conquerors were assimilated by the conquered. They demonstrably didn't care about either racial purity nor preserving their culture. Oh, and the original female population of Iceland is three quarters Celtic, presumably abducted through raiding, as shown by female-line genetic markers in the current Icelandic population.
Do you even history bro?
I never meant to imply that there wasn't the occasional drunken Viking race traitor. But miscegenation was by and large reviled by the Northern European races which is why most people didn't do it. The more fortunate side of it is at least most the other races they miscegenated WITH were Germanic, which meant they still at least remained blue eyed and athletically big and strong.
Furthermore, Karl, you are denying the Adam and Hawwa were the one originating pair of all humanity. So you are negating the word of Allah, which was very clear on this matter.
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). [ 49:13]
Ok, fair enough comments. I suppose one really can't completely avoid the accent of the country they are born in. Still, this doesn't change the fact that many Asian immigrants (as you also agree) become sycophantic and ape the mannerisms and ways of the kuffar in order to attempt to try to not "look out of place" in front of them, even though this is actually futile anyway given their racial characteristics automatically render this impossible. I fully agree that one should take pride and never become ashamed of their race and religion and culture and roots of their country of origin. When Asian sycophancy and aping of the Western kuffar takes over, the Western kuffar can SEE this grovelling and sycophancy and they either openly or secretly laugh at the weakness.
How is an obervation of social norms an issue for you? Many people from all walks of life are immigrants to some nation or another. They all have to adapt - along the way comes some "trial and error" - besides, if you know anything about migrations, historically it was never the first generation of migrants which integrated, for reasons too obvious to waste words on. The second generation, the descendants of the initial wave of migrants, were more likely to integrate into society, often losing their identity as they tried to balance both values, their ethnic and their new nations - this "balance" was often tipped in the direction of the nation as the ethnic was left in lieu of "progressive idealism", which the third generation - ironically - often shun in lieu of tradition and connection with their roots - giving the "ethnic connection" a reason to come back again.
So for you to base your argument on an observation which doesn't actually fit into the context of the points raised by yourself, does seem like hubris on your part.
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm♥Layth
Brother @Scimitar You seem to know a good deal about how certain tribes spread around the globe. Perhaps you can show brother karl how to history?
Furthermore, Karl, you are denying the Adam and Hawwa were the one originating pair of all humanity. So you are negating the word of Allah, which was very clear on this matter.
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). [ 49:13]
Depends exactly how "mankind" and "humanity" is actually interpreted. It's a matter of opinion. No one is actually able to prove today that if we look at this from the context of the time of the prophet (pbuh) that "mankind" wasn't interpreted then as primarily meaning the incorporation of races of Asia, most especially the Semitic races (rather than every race across the entire planet/universe). In some civilizations of past epochs "humanity", "the world" and "the universe" didn't always mean what it does to most people now. It instead meant something more limited. While I am a humanoid and of a race entirely of our own independent existence, I do not accept being classed as being part of "mankind" or "humanity", nor will I tolerate being appropriated by "mankind" either. This is why I entirely defy anything foreign, particularly enemy entities such as the demonic United Nations imperialistic tool of the New World Order (which pretends to represents the "interests" of "mankind"). Therefore 49:13 in the Quran still has perfect meaning. I don't see how I contradict/deny it provided I don't acknowledge my kind as being a part of so-called "mankind".
Depends exactly how "mankind" and "humanity" is actually interpreted. It's a matter of opinion. No one is actually able to prove today that if we look at this from the context of the time of the prophet (pbuh) that "mankind" wasn't interpreted then as primarily meaning the incorporation of races of Asia, most especially the Semitic races (rather than every race across the entire planet/universe). In some civilizations of past epochs "humanity", "the world" and "the universe" didn't always mean what it does to most people now. It instead meant something more limited. While I am a humanoid and of a race entirely of our own independent existence, I do not accept being classed as being part of "mankind" or "humanity", nor will I tolerate being appropriated by "mankind" either. This is why I entirely defy anything foreign, particularly enemy entities such as the demonic United Nations imperialistic tool of the New World Order (which pretends to represents the "interests" of "mankind"). Therefore 49:13 in the Quran still has perfect meaning. I don't see how I contradict/deny it provided I don't acknowledge my kind as being a part of so-called "mankind".
regardless of what was referred to it in the past, today if yo look it up then you will find that
mankind: human beings considered collectively; the human race.
Naturally, mankind refers to human race. So what other kinds are there then? There is jinnkind and angelkind and you surely don't belong to any of those and there aren't any other kinds as far as we know. So you are part of mankind, all of humans are of mankind and belong to one parent. Nothing more, nothing less.
I never meant to imply that there wasn't the occasional drunken Viking race traitor. But miscegenation was by and large reviled by the Northern European races which is why most people didn't do it. The more fortunate side of it is at least most the other races they miscegenated WITH were Germanic, which meant they still at least remained blue eyed and athletically big and strong.
The Vikings were descended from Scythians, mate - who themselves consisted of around 24 tribes - of which there were two main racial types.
1) The typical blue eyed blonde haired, green eyed red haired. In fact, Genghis Khan, the Mongol - was reportedly red haired and green eyed according to the secret history of Mongolia.
2) The black haired and slant eyed - Turanian, (Sino-type) which ironically also included the Mongol tribe, which Genghis came from.
They also bred with each other - the two racial types, but the royal class did not mix blood. The Vikings (Scandinavian in general) descended from the royal class.
Although many Skaldic poems and runes tell us of honour and loot being the main protagonists in the Viking expansions - what you may not know is and what is little known, is this. They had very little regard for women and would shamelessly dishonour them in public in the lewdest of ways. So a claim to honour was baseless when their idea of it was compromised from the start.
The cleric, Dudo, in Normandy [approx. 1020 CE] wrote of the Vikings:
“…these people who insolently abandon themselves to excessive indulgence, live in outrageous union with many women and there in shameless and unlawful intercourse breed innumerable progeny. Once they have grown up, the young quarrel violently with their fathers and grandfathers, or with each other, about property…”
In fact, according to some historians, it is evident that these people's who have no moral anchoring, were the scourge of mankind.
And that was just one of the 24 tribes which make up the Scythian/Turanian R1A1 and R1A DNA pool.
Which - according to biblical historians claiming that the Scythes and Turans, go back to Magog (the scourge of mankind), son of Japeth, son of Noah, the biblical prophet of God, peace be upon him.
regardless of what was referred to it in the past, today if yo look it up then you will find that
mankind: human beings considered collectively; the human race.
Naturally, mankind refers to human race. So what other kinds are there then? There is jinnkind and angelkind and you surely don't belong to any of those and there aren't any other kinds as far as we know. So you are part of mankind, all of humans are of mankind and belong to one parent. Nothing more, nothing less.
The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.
We all came from Adam and Hawa (Eve), how can one deny that?
Allahu alam.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.
This racist mindset is not from Islam. Rather than causing unity, this causes division. To view someone as lower than the other, based on race. I.e. "I am better than him, because my race is zxy" is racism.
It is ok to like a race. But to feel superior because of one's race is disgusting. Rather it is what Ibless did, and one of the characteristics of Ibless. ("Fire is better than clay, therefore I am better than him")
Now I am not saying you are like Ibless. But what I am saying is, this superiority complex and "my race is better than yours" is not from Islam.
It is ok to like a race, to want to be different, etc. But to feel superior over another solely based on race, is racism.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.
What is it you're afraid of exactly? Losing your culture, language, or those 'blue eyes'? With globalisation and all the world is a much smaller place, no doubt, and different people are assimilating and migrating all the time. But this has *always* been happening, if certain ancestors hadn't migrated from Africa several thousand years ago your race wouldn't even be here.
We all are one human race, made up of individuals and everything which makes them unique. You seem to be advocating some sort of racial separatism where there is no multiculturalism, and different races keep themselves to themselves. Well, especially in the 21st century, this is never going to happen, and it would be better for everyone to accept and appreciate that.
btw, brother
@Scimitar
, which encyclopaedia do you learn all of this from? I want it .
The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.
Is this a claim that Allah created us all other creatures as humans and then one specific one called Germans? I am mostly Finnish origin but also mix with some German and Asian genes but I am definitely the human. That´s why I claim that humans exist. At least I exist. I am sure about it.
You see, as I am partly german, it proves that humans and Germans are the same species. They can produce offspring. For two species from very different origin it wouldn´t be possible - like tigers and giraffes.
This racist mindset is not from Islam. Rather than causing unity, this causes division. To view someone as lower than the other, based on race. I.e. "I am better than him, because my race is zxy" is racism.
It is ok to like a race. But to feel superior because of one's race is disgusting. Rather it is what Ibless did, and one of the characteristics of Ibless. ("Fire is better than clay, therefore I am better than him")
Now I am not saying you are like Ibless. But what I am saying is, this superiority complex and "my race is better than yours" is not from Islam.
It is ok to like a race, to want to be different, etc. But to feel superior over another solely based on race, is racism.
I am staunchily against this "Racial purity".
You seem to be confusing my want for race separateness and to be left alone with "racism" and a sense of "superiority". I have made it quite clear that while I am a race separatist and a race purist, I do NOT however regard my race as "superior" to any other living creature on the planet. I have emphasized this many times.
You say you are "staunchly against race purity". Well, I don't care if you do not have any value in the preservation of YOUR race, that is your choice and your loss if your race becomes permanently tainted by miscegenation (I am sure the godless Marxists will be more than happy to see that happen to you). But if you are saying you are also staunchly against the purity of MY race then you become a racist threat to me and others of my race. You say you "hate racism" yet when you also say you are "staunchly against race purity", that is in itself is a form of racism ANYWAY because it is a mentality that is opposed to the survival of different races being left intact. If you are "staunchly opposed" to MY racial purity then you are effectively in support of the genocide of my race which therefore would make you a very dangerous enemy.
You seem to be confusing my want for race separateness and to be left alone with "racism" and a sense of "superiority". I have made it quite clear that while I am a race separatist and a race purist, I do NOT however regard my race as "superior" to any other living creature on the planet. I have emphasized this many times.
You say you are "staunchly against race purity". Well, I don't care if you do not have any value in the preservation of YOUR race, that is your choice and your loss if your race becomes permanently tainted by miscegenation (I am sure the godless Marxists will be more than happy to see that happen to you). But if you are saying you are also staunchly against the purity of MY race then you become a racist threat to me and others of my race. You say you "hate racism" yet when you also say you are "staunchly against race purity", that is in itself is a form of racism ANYWAY because it is a mentality that is opposed to the survival of different races being left intact. If you are "staunchly opposed" to MY racial purity then you are effectively in support of the genocide of my race which therefore would make you a very dangerous enemy.
I see mixing of races as no threat at all. What we should worry about is teaching our kids Islam, and to give them an Islamic upbringing.
I find this whole "Preservation of races" as a pipe dream. Who really cares? I do not call for the extinction of a race. I find all kinds of races beautiful in and of itself.
I just don't want societies to be split based on their race. I don't really care for my own race, nor do I care for my nationality, or where I am born. I only care about who I am, and that is me being a Muslim.
It is ok to like yourself to be in a race, be grateful and thank Allah . But don't think that you can forbid others from mixing races.
It is ok if you don't want to mix your race, but you can't prevent one from marrying another race.
I am of a race, but I give it no importance at all. The only important thing to me is who I am and where I go.
We will all die anyway, and the only thing that will benefit us is our deeds and Imaan. No race, wealth or any progeny will help you at all except for what good you did with your wealth and life.
Tell me please, why do you care for your race? Because to me it is of no importance at all.
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
What is it you're afraid of exactly? Losing your culture, language, or those 'blue eyes'? With globalisation and all the world is a much smaller place, no doubt, and different people are assimilating and migrating all the time. But this has *always* been happening, if certain ancestors hadn't migrated from Africa several thousand years ago your race wouldn't even be here.
Yes, as I said before, I am fiercely against my race losing our blue eyes and big strong masculine build. In fact, I'd rather be DEAD than lose that. As for your claim that my race wouldn't even exist "if there was no migrations out of Africa several thousands of years ago", well I don't buy that atheist pseudoscientific leftist "Out of Africa" theory to begin with. Like the "theory of evolution" there is simply no hard evidence for it. I instead am convinced that my own race had it's origins in North Europe itself, not Africa or Asia.
format_quote Originally Posted by noraina
We all are one human race, made up of individuals and everything which makes them unique.
So the atheistic globalist leftists keep fanatically trying to ram down all our throats. Well, if you want to believe them then that's your choice. Just DON'T speak on behalf of MY race. I am NOT your race or any other "global race". Quit with all the political correctness and get over it.
format_quote Originally Posted by noraina
You seem to be advocating some sort of racial separatism where there is no multiculturalism, and different races keep themselves to themselves.
You're certainly correct there. While the Marxist Jews are hellbent on all these things, I am completely OPPOSED to them. I am a nationalist. I believe that different races should stay in their own countries. North Europe for North European races, South Europe for Mediterranean races, Africa for African races, Asia for Asian races, and so on. I don't believe that I as a North European should be allowed to actually live in Africa or Asia. Those countries do NOT belong to me. North Europe IS however where I belong. Nonetheless, I am not opposed to Asians or Africans or South Europeans coming to North Europe as tourists or traders though. That is ok. But they should know to show some respect and return back home when their visit is done with.
format_quote Originally Posted by noraina
Well, especially in the 21st century, this is never going to happen, and it would be better for everyone to accept and appreciate that.
I will never accept it, which is one of the reasons I feel the need to insulate and isolate my race even MORE than ever before.
The reason why modern dictionaries define "mankind" as "human beings considered collectively" is because control freak globalist Marxists want to use it as an excuse to hold power over every living humanoid on the planet, even those of us who want nothing to do with them. There is no such things as "The human race" either, as there are a plethora of raceS. I don't accept myself as being "human". I reject that term. I only accept being referred to by the actual name of my race. Not "human", "mankind" "humanity" "THE human race" etc, and I refuse to be part of their collectivist club. "Humanity's" only purpose is to oppress me and appropriate me, but I'll do my very best to fend them off.
The Quran disagrees with you - look at surah at Nas.
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
They merely:
Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
Took ownership of it and don't justify it
And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim
Is this a claim that Allah created us all other creatures as humans and then one specific one called Germans? I am mostly Finnish origin but also mix with some German and Asian genes but I am definitely the human. That´s why I claim that humans exist. At least I exist. I am sure about it.
You see, as I am partly german, it proves that humans and Germans are the same species. They can produce offspring. For two species from very different origin it wouldn´t be possible - like tigers and giraffes.
Ok, so you are a hybrid, which explains why you have an aversion to and like to ridicule race purity. It tends to be a common trait. Well, that is your choice to continue thinking that miscegenation "is great". I however utterly FORBID any of my offspring doing it, otherwise there will be extremely serious consequences if they ever even THINK about it.
You are also wrong about different species not being able to reproduce fertile offspring. Some CAN, and there are plenty of examples of it being able to occur out there in the animal and plant kingdoms. Just because I might be capable of breeding with a different species doesn't mean that I SHOULD.
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