I'm kinda tired of having to both defend against people who are racist against Arabs and Muslims from Islamaphobes online, who say we are terrorists, backwards, close-minded, racists etc, while on the other hand every so often having to hear Muslims with bigoted attitudes, that they don't even recognise as being bigoted.
For example, once at work a Pakistani guy said that he would never get married to a non-Pakistani, and he was totally oblivious to how racist his comment was, even when I spelt it out to him. He just couldn't get it. Plus he was telling this to me, a non-Pakistani, lol.
On another occasion (and I am soooo sorry for constantly mentioning nationalities in this topic, but I am just trying to illustrate a point) my Palestinian American colleague was talking about his wife (she's a Palestinian born and raised in Jordan) who made a casual comment about how shocked she was that their White European neighbour, I think a British or Aussie convert, could get married to a Somali girl. If I remember correctly she said something like 'How could they get married. He is so white and she is so black'. Both of us, who have grown up in the West were just baffled with the casual racism (and colorism) that easily slips out of the mouths of people around us, and from all nationalities. We are in the UAE btw.
Now I know for a fact, not all Muslims are racist, and I like to think that the majority of us are not (at least in my circle of friends), but we do seem to be diseased community with this issue, and no one ever likes to talk about it, without getting defensive.
I would rather see my offspring DIE than to see them race mix.
At best your thoughts seem more to do with vanity, I think Islam has much to say about vanity and pride, so why would you want to go against your religion, and preach this to your children. At worst, your thoughts seem extreme and unhealthy.
Arabs must have brought Islam to Germany, in a similar way that Jews brought Judaism to Germany, and we know what Adolph thought of Jews.
I thought blonde blue eyes were of recessive genes? Dark hair and eyes the dominant genes?
By the way, didn't Adolf Hitlers's plan to show the superior race (although he himself wasn't) put to shame when a man with recessive genes won 4 gold medals?
As long as my heart does beat, I shall live, not lie
For when my heart does stop its beat, with truth, I die.
I see it illogical to believe that there is no evolution and at the same time believe that child gets part of his genes from his mom and other part from his dad and that those different kind mix of genes gives to him different characters. This is also so called evolution. Opposite would to be to believe that child is a creation of Allah and He alone decides if German mom and Tunisian dad gets child who has blond hair and blue eyes or black hair and brown eyes. Forget genes, they belong to the evolution theorists.
A brief definition of evolution: Evolution is a change in the relative numbers of different forms of genes in the population.
And if we really did keep ourselves to ourselves, and cultures did not interact or mingle with one another, this world would be a very different place, and I don't think for the better either.
How wouldn't it be for the "better"? The different races of different nations thrived and survived perfectly well without inter-racial intermingling for THOUSANDS OF YEARS! What you are saying here is merely a matter of opinion. You personally think that mass immigration and race intermingling is a "great thing", whereas I have never been so unhappy and despairing since it all went rampant at the beginning of this century. It has lead to loss of jobs here, as well as overpopulation, overload of infrastructures, and last but not least, the deliberate mass extermination of white people through many of them being brainwashed by the Jewish run media into miscegenating.
format_quote Originally Posted by noraina
Look, there's nothing wrong if you want to marry someone who is blue-eyed if that is your personal preference,
Not just blue eyes, but just as importantly and even most importantly, BIG AND STRONG physique. In other words, NO puny effeminate featured weaklings!
format_quote Originally Posted by noraina
but the reasons you are putting forward for it and the opinions you have are ones which Islam aims to do away with, especially concerning racial separatism and that you believe ethnic minorities shouldn't settle down in the West.
Do away with? That sounds like a threat more than anything. Are you saying that "Islam" aims to forcibly "do away with" racial separatism, EVEN those who are not even Muslims? You have no right to force race integration on them. One other reason why I am against Asians (including even Muslims) migrating to the West is not only because I am a race separatist, but ALSO because it says in the Islamic teachings that all Muslims should NOT go and live in kuffar countries! I am dismayed why so many Muslims including yourself choose to IGNORE this.
format_quote Originally Posted by noraina
And it would be unhealthy to pass these opinions down or force them onto your own children.
Too late. I already have passed these ideas onto my children. But the good thing is, I don't even have to "force" them to live by my staunch anti-race-mixing and anti-racial-integration stance. They instinctively are repulsed by these things ANYWAY which of course makes things much easier for me.
There are not plethora of races. There is only one human race, one mankind. Your "white" race is not a race, it is an ethnicity among a plethora of ethnicities. You claim about Marxism lumping all of us into one race while you go the other end and claim to be a unique race of your own. If you are a Muslim as your profile says, then learn to SUBMIT to your Lord.
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). "
Qur'an 49:13 Surah Al-Hujurat
Wrong. As even some other Muslims have corrected the "there's only one race, the human race" morons here in this very thread (look for them), race is even mentioned in the Quran! Allah made DIFFERENT races! And he also made NATIONS for each of them to live in!
I was thinking that Islam is against nationalism. If yes, then kind of idea that people of other ethnicity should stay inside of their own borders of nations, is against the basic principles of Islam. We should break down the walls and cross-fences, not build new ones.
If this is your motivation then that is fine, since societal laws permit "grown up" marrying who they want - you got bigger issues then just race to contend with mate - you're dancing to the wrong music as they say. Shouldn't you instead doing the wailing waltz around the idea that your children may grow up liking the same sex? or transgender? or whatever else they can concoct up by the time they've grown and you've gone gray and bald?
I don't care for "societal laws". As a parental sovereigntist I raise my offspring however I see fit. As for transgender and homosexuality, those illnesses are rare to occur in my race anyway, so unlikely I would encounter it in my offspring. It doesn't also take the completed process of being "grown up" for offspring to develop a mental illness such as homosexuality of transgender, such things could happen at a very young age, but as I said, such psychological illnesses are rare in those of my race anyway, so I'm unlikely to be unfortunate enough to encounter such a situation.
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Like I said, I don't think you have identified the real issues plaguing your children's innocence - and believe me, it's got nothing to do with race.
If there's another expression I can't stand, it's that outdated Victorian concept of "childhood innocence". It's merely something that belongs to the imagination of male-hating womanists. One of course is innocent if they have not yet committed a crime, but that is something not specific to age. There are plenty of innocent adults, just as there are many guilty children.
format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar
Other factors which you have neglected to mention here, which I briefly mentioned are issues which you should prioritize over the race issue, for real bro.
As the father of my offspring, it is up to me and me alone to prioritize however I see fit in regards to the various issues that my children may or may not become confronted with. There are many priorities, but keeping them racially untainted is one of the biggest priorities of all.
Everyone should rid themselves of nationalism and a false sense of pride. It's ridiculous.
Not on your LIFE are you ever gonna get ME to agree to that. NEVER will I let my guard down to anyone attempting to convert me to internationalism and its demonic agenda for the destruction of nations and races. You seem to think that a sense of racial pride and nationalism is something exclusively restricted to "white neo-nazis", but note well, MANY nations around the world also share a healthy sense of nationalistic and racial pride, even many MUSLIM ones!
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm♥Layth
Karl, you've yet to address any of @Scimitar's posts. I find this amusing. You seem to only entertain superficial arguments about this subject. Please do not respond to this post or quote it without addressing the real issues here. Have fun!
I think I pretty well have covered most if not all of it by now.
It doesn't matter - he's basically said that regardless of the Muslim/Islamic position on race being a non factor in anything - he is still going to be a white supremacist because he considers all other races impure in so many words.
His argument is not worth entertaining when he, himself knows that his opinion is not from any religion we know as authentic, but just his personal opinion being forced onto his children, rather poignantly. To his dismay, he may find that when they are old enough to make their own decisions, they may view him as a product of a bygone era as social norms affect their own ability to choose their own partners.
What a world.
We can speculate all we like, but that proverbial rug will always be pulled out from under our feet. Stay light on your toes, peeps!
Scimi
How many times have I had to say that I am not a "white supremacist"? For the umpteenth time, I am not a supremacist at all, I am a race SEPARATIST and an anti-miscegenationist. Totally different things!
As for my offspring being "old enough to make their own decisions", that never will completely happen while I am still alive. They know they should respect their father's wishes, or else serious consequences would result. My offspring don't care about "social norms" anyway because they and I have no time for "society" to begin with. To HELL with "society" and their passing fads and idiotic whims. You go on about my offspring at some point might think I am a "product of a bygone era"? LOL, FORGET talking about bygone eras! Most people today (especially in the West) ridicule ISLAM as being a "7th century cult of a bygone era"!
Karl I'll reply to you when I come back from work,
For now tho - I will ask this. Are you the genetically modified product of Hitler and Darwin? Lol
Think about it. You know what I mean. I do wonder though, why your weak faith allows this closet racism to fester within you like a putrid decaying something nasty bro
Scimi
EDIT:
format_quote Originally Posted by Karl
How many times have I had to say that I am not a "white supremacist"?
Well now, apparently you already are... you may be happier with yourself if you just accept it.
The Vikings that conquered England, Normandy, Russia and Sicily miscegenated to the point that they were completely assimilated by the conquered. That's way more than a bit of random zina by a drunken race traitor. No, none of those races they miscegenated with were Germanic, apart from the English which were so to a large extent but significantly miscegenated with Celts by that point.
No, they were Germanic. Celts too are generally regarded as Germanic as well. As for Normandy, that has historically been a Germanic stronghold. And Russia, well there's the whole of WHITE Russia to begin with!
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
I'm Germanic enough that I would have been eligible to be a poster-boy for the Waffen-SS. Allah mit uns! Yet, I reject your notions of racial purity. I salute the Slavic subhumans who 72 years ago buried such notions under the tracks of tanks. Proletarier aller Länder, lä ilähä ill-Allah!
It was primarily the Bolshevist JEWS who defeated the Nazis. Many Nazis actually admired the strong sturdy builds of Slavs. In fact many Nazis didn't actually regard Slavs as untermenschen at all. You say that Nazism has no place with Islam. Funny though ain't it that the Nazis were actually ALLIED to some Muslim countries! You said you would have "been eligible to be a poster boy of the Waffen SS". I always find it such an especially terrible tragedy whenever I see guys like you, fantastic looking, big, tall, strong and athletic, walking around town hand in hand with some incompatible featured female of a disparate foreign race. I just about weep when I see it. My children always make comments too when they see a situation like that and they say things like "How could he DO that to himself? What's wrong with females of his own race?? Why choose something so physically incompatible? Why doesn't he want his sons to look just as masculinely big and strong and athletic as himself? Does he just want to breed up wimps with her or what?"
format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa
Do you even biology bro? Species are defined by being unable to breed with each other and produce fertile offspring. That there are odd exceptions now and then just shows that the line between race and species is not exact, that there is a greyzone in between where breeding and producing fertile offspring is highly unlikely but possible. That a line needs to be drawn somewhere for classification does in no way invalidate the concept. To call different human populations different species is preposterous. Any two human races can interbreed with far too high likelihood for them to be different species.
Speak for yourSELF, not MY race. If you believe you are of the "same species" as every member of every race on the planet then that's your choice. Just DON'T appropriate ME into your "big single human family" as WELL. I take a lot of what contemporary mainstream biology says with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to humans in particular, given that the academic institutions that "teach" it are primarily controlled by LEFTIST professors with LEFTIST and GLOBALIST agendas.
I still don't see what you said invalidates what I said earlier about species. Just because two different organisms are able to reproduce fertile offspring time and time again without many fails doesn't still mean to say they are of the "same species". I am not of the "same species" as members not of my race, so just get over it!
I thought blonde blue eyes were of recessive genes? Dark hair and eyes the dominant genes?
No, they are not "recessive genes" at all, although you might often hear leftist pseudoscientists preach that. Blond hair and blue eyes in North European races is not "recessive" at all. They are the inherent norm which contribute as part of their genetic makeup. Germanics by their very nature have blue eyes, but hair, although often blond can also be of other colours too.
Allah created Different races for us to LIVE together not to live separate from each other.
This whole "Northern people stay north, south stay south" is ridiculous and not from Islam. for there to exist 1 united Islamic State, there can not be racism.
Islam came for all people, and I am staunchly against this race separatism and division of countries and regions based on race.
I look western, but does that mean that I now have to lock myself to the West? This is Jahil mentality. Race means nothing, we are all beautiful in our own right, and race-mixing is beautiful.
Allah could make me African, or Eastern-looking. I see no basis for staying in your "region".
Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
" Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "
Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.
Karl I'll reply to you when I come back from work,
For now tho - I will ask this. Are you the genetically modified product of Hitler and Darwin? Lol
Think about it. You know what I mean. I do wonder though, why your weak faith allows this closet racism to fester within you like a putrid decaying something nasty bro
You are reading too much into things, Scimi. I am not full of hate for different races with a "racism to fester within you like a putrid decaying something nasty". I am merely a race purist and a nationalist. That's it and it's no big deal...it's just that often when my personal stance is not respected and I am instead continually harassed and antagonized by those who do not personally agree with me... that's when discussions can get heated and I as a result get angry and it can sometimes perhaps show in less desirable ways.
This is definitely an issue in the Muslim community. In Asia and some (or many) Arab countries, there is some weird obsession with "light skin" being more beautiful and desired. Why?
In some places, converts who are white seem to be treated as if they're somehow extra special. And just because a person is white and has coloured eyes says they're a Muslim does not mean that they are a convert (as some would automatically assume). And Europeans/Americans are not the only ones with light skin or light eyes as ignorant people would assume. Or that people with dark skin tones cannot and do not have light eyes.
Muslims need to get it into their heads that light skin tones are NOT more beautiful that dark skin tones and that all skin colours are beautiful. We shouldn't look at a person and instantly think of the colour of their skin. We should see them as just another person, just another couple. Nor is one eye colour more special or beautiful than any other.
Beauty is subjective. What one person may find attractive may not be attractive to another. Some racists (for example from the white communities) seem to believe that their people are superior and better looking than dark skinned people. Quite delusional really. It's none of anyone else's business if a dark skinned person marries a light skinned person or vice versa. We are human beings. Our skin or eye colour does not make us more special than anyone else or inferior to anyone else.
In Islam, no one skin tone, colour or race is superior to another. Simple as that.
Allah created Different races for us to LIVE together not to live separate from each other.
This whole "Northern people stay north, south stay south" is ridiculous and not from Islam. for there to exist 1 united Islamic State, there can not be racism.
Islam came for all people, and I am staunchly against this race separatism and division of countries and regions based on race.
But what about non Muslims? The thing you forget is that the vast majority of the races native to Europe are NOT even Muslims, and let's be real here, Europe will never become predominantly Islamic...so therefore what you say about destroying national borders is irrelevant. You have no right to push your new multiracial nations on those of us who do not want to be part of it! If you are speaking from an Islamic stance then Muslims can be free to live in some big state with all races coming together in kumbaya bliss, but DON'T force your multicultural multiracial state on the indigenous races of Europe who also aren't even Muslims or Marxists.
format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity
I look western, but does that mean that I now have to lock myself to the West? This is Jahil mentality.
If you don't mind me asking, what Western race are you of? You see, these days, to look "Western" can cover a wide range of races, to the extent that they are not even natives of Europe, but foreigners who have over time become associated with Europe. Even Jews (in)correctly claim themselves to "look Western" and be "white", but they are not.
format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity
Race means nothing,
Speak for YOUR race, not mine. My race does NOT mean "nothing". I am very PROUD of my race and would NOT give up my identity for ANYTHING. You offend me with your arrogant dismissal of race. People should be PROUD of their race, not ashamed or not caring about it!
format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity
we are all beautiful in our own right,
Maybe so, but that's a matter of opinion. Various races are actually physically NOT beautiful to various other races. It is also puzzling why some people seem to have this notion that all races "should be beautiful", when in fact there is no real reason why that should be the case. For example, I don't regard my own race as "beautiful" nor do I EXPECT or WANT it to be. Beautiful really isn't the right kind of word to apply to members of my race, although it could be said that we look cool, awesome, and maybe handsome etc, but not "beautiful", "petite" "cute" "dainty" "pretty" etc, as they are more correctly terms better suited to the soft-featured diminutive races of Asia, South America and parts of Africa.
format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity
and race-mixing is beautiful.
UGH. That's YOUR opinion, and the Marxist Jews will LOVE you for saying that. When I see the hybrids from the incompatible unions of North Europeans with Asians the offspring actually look strange and really freaky and ugly to me. And many people agree with me too. Even some religious figures have referred to miscegenation as an evil and the hybrids being of the devil.
format_quote Originally Posted by Serinity
Allah could make me African, or Eastern-looking. I see no basis for staying in your "region".
That is YOUR opinion, but DON'T force your "multiracial paradise" on EVERYONE. Many people (including myself) DON'T want that. We have a right to live in separatist states if we want!
During the history, people and tribes have moved to new places to live. I don´t know why this current situation should to be final and stable and people whose now live in Europe, should stay there and live in the same areas forever (or until the Judgement Day) and kick out others whose are moving at this time.
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
Wrong. As even some other Muslims have corrected the "there's only one race, the human race" morons here in this very thread (look for them), race is even mentioned in the Quran! Allah made DIFFERENT races! And he also made NATIONS for each of them to live in!
Brother, if you are refering to my post please read the ayahs we posted on the issue again. Allah created us as different races to understand the wisdom of the Creation. There is a similarity between the creation of heavens and earth and different races. Our different races are just the signs of the Creator. And in another ayah He says He created us different to meet and know each other, not to seperate ourselves. You continously ignore this part. Being proud of your physical features is a big big mistake in Islam. Nothing you have you got it yourself. Everything is given to you by Allah.
The thing what came to my mind; as this life is the test for us for the eternal after-life, how then keeping your "race" (or genes) "clean", can prepare yourself for the eternal life? Or have they any kind of value? Are you better prepared for the Jannah if your genes are from parents from the same gene group or you have made sure that genes of your children or grandchildren are homogeneous? If those things don´t matter, why to lost your time for kind of secondary matters in this earthly life? Does guarding these gene and race things make you better Muslim?
From Occupied Palestine:
We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.
During the history, people and tribes have moved to new places to live. I don´t know why this current situation should to be final and stable and people whose now live in Europe, should stay there and live in the same areas forever (or until the Judgement Day) and kick out others whose are moving at this time.
People for thousands of years have also been genocided for moving to a country they are not wanted in. It might not happen straight away but often it could eventually happen. People have been moving around during history. But you need to remember that the amount of migration back then was nothing compared to what it has become NOW. Another thing too is that the majority of those who moved about in past times moved to relatively close nations with similar races, NOT continent loads of alien races moving intercontinentally in mass exodus. You just can't compare the past to the race-genociding apocalypse of now.
Just wondering, and may I ask: Are you another one of these white converts by any chance? I've noticed that there seems to be a lot of other ones here too. It has been occurring to me for a while now that there seems to be far more degenerate whites really pushing for their Europe to become multiracial and also pushing for race mixing, much moreso than the Muslim and other Asian immigrants themselves, who I believe tend to be just happy breeding with each other when they move here, rather than miscegenating with Westerners. So it seems that not only the Marxist Jews but also many whites appear to be some of the biggest culprits behind pro-miscegenation propaganda and the biggest culprits for arm-twisting Muslim (and other) immigrants from Asia and Africa to miscegenate with them. I have actually encountered many Muslim immigrants who have told me this too. They have said to me that often whites tend to get pushy with them and intimidate them not to marry within their own race and to miscegenate with the whites instead. If this is actually a widespread problem then it would suggest that most whites just don't like being white, which is the reason why they eagerly invite hordes of Asians into Europe. It's a really strange phenomenon I will never be able to understand.
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. That's YOUR opinion, and the Marxist Jews will LOVE you for saying that. When I see the hybrids from the incompatible unions of North Europeans with Asians the offspring actually look strange and really freaky and ugly to me. And many people agree with me too. Even some religious figures have referred to miscegenation as an evil and the hybrids being of the devil.
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