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    Assalamualaikum,

    what is happening in Qatar?

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/05/mi...ons/index.html

    May Allah forbid Muslims devide and unite the Ummah.
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    I can't help you - you're a Gulenist and therefore you put that above Islam!

    You have basically cut your nose to spite your face!

    Good bye to bad rubbish!

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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

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    I can't help you - you're a Gulenist and therefore you put that above Islam!

    You have basically cut your nose to spite your face!

    Good bye to bad rubbish!

    Scimi
    Gulenism is an Islamic civil society charity organization. Just because youre gulenist doesnt mean youre not a Muslim.

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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    Gulenmism is Pacifist Islam - and Islam is NOT PACIFIST - Islam believes in defensive jihad and protecting the innocent while your Gulenists will just take it lying down - not to mention your Guru is an American muppet, funded by zionists to pacify Turkey so it doesn't rebel against Israel !!!!

    You made your choice - I am free from your 17 year old naivete!

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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16 View Post
    ..... of peace, justice, human rights, democracy, rule of law, cooperation, non violence, dialogue, peacebuilding, education, etc.
    ...
    This is your problem. You have that firm belief as if being a Gulenist all the good you already will have.

    Rasullah(saws) has said stick tot he Qur'an and the Sunnah. Throw the rest out. Islam is already the balanced way, no manipulation whatsoever. If something is said by ANYBODY. The first thing i do is look what Islam says about it. If it say it is wrong i go against it..if it says is good i agree with it.

    Ask yourself how come you are depressed? Depression is a outcome, it is NOT a cause. By not walking the balanced way of life (Qur'an and Sunnah) you become depressed. I speak out against everybody who says something wrong even to my own family. I have good relations with my neighbors despite they not being Muslims. I talk about science and read about science, no need to brand myself some sect. I already PROUDLY wear two given labels by Allah. Muslim Kurd. First Muslim, then a Kurd. Because being a Kurd on #1 is nationalism and will not bring me anywhere in my grave. The questions in my grave will not be .."Did you love the Kurdish flag?". That is why i do not follow Kurdish culture, rather Muslim culture (habits and way of life). I am as content as i can be at the moment. I look at everything that i have i say Alhamdulillah. I look at the trials i am having..i say ALHAMDULILLAH. I look at the things that Allah has NOT given me but given other people..i say ALHAMDULILLAH. Because having something and even not having something has it's blessings. So to everything i say ALHAMDULILLAH.

    You may be 17 years old, but instead of wanting to reason and listen to somebody older than you that GIVES you good argument, you still tend to stick to want you desire. That is why i have told you the problem is not your brain or eyes..it is your heart.

    There is a reason why i have quoted that aya in my signature.. "....Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves...." Qur'an 13:11
    I can speak out of experience that this indeed is true. Change what is in yourself and Allah will in'sha'Allah change your condition.
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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16 View Post
    Gulenism is an Islamic civil society charity organization. Just because youre gulenist doesnt mean youre not a Muslim.
    Here I propose a solution for you. Listen to the ideas they teach you which is in parrellel with Quran and ahadith. Dont listen when they are not. I was somehow within them aprx 20 years ago and it was exciting from Islamic pov. Atleast for a youngster who seeks a warm religious enviroment. But when you stop questioning it there arises danger. And this aplies to all groups
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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

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    Start with Stories of the Prophet's by Ibn Katheer
    I was actually looking around for a good book on the subject. JazakAllah for the mention. I just placed a purchase for it and inshaAllah I will read through the whole thing
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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    I extend the offer I made to Mustafa to you if you would be interested in sh'Allah!

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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    why have they done that to their Muslim brother????; may ALlah unite them again ameen!!!!

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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by AbdullahAziz View Post
    why have they done that to their Muslim brother????; may ALlah unite them again ameen!!!!
    Brotherhood has become a joke. No one takes it seriously any more.
    cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    I Will Never Forget You.

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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    Stories of the Prophets is also available on google playstore, however, the physical book feels more serious.

    Topic...
    Trump went to middle east, started bossing them about and putting "terrorism" on them despite the fact that they are all losing soldiers in america's proxy wars, along with losing credibility amongst their armies, armies families, and populations, they all pointed at qatar which appears to be american central command for chaos in the region - clever move.
    They all know that America's discrediting and priming them for overthrow like they discredited and primed saddam - just that America doesn't care about what it calls "terrorism" , it's leadership hates God and hates Islam - and uses "terrorism" as the vehicle. All manner of killing and suffering and chaos without fighting for Islam appears acceptable to those crooks in washington and that's despicably wrong.

    Trump looks like a doofus for messing up the schemes so he tries a damage limitation in america and claims it was his initiative to isolate the country which hosts the american war machine lol.


    Aah already seeing results from my mideast trip - by pi$sing off a whole load of already frustrated leaders because i wanna play hero at home amongst the breitbart and fox crowd - and isolating my biggest puppet in the region who is actually the main source of chaos that my country's government orchestrated.

    Oh M.E leaders and Qatari leaders- saddam also thought he had america at his back whilst he played unjust tyrant in the region and angered Allah. It didn't avail him one bit against Allah when his criminal backers betrayed him.
    FattaqooAllah ya uli al albaab.
    In the end - our return is to Allah anyway so it's best to side with Him innit? Siding with the enemies of Allah loses us this world and the next.
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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    Stories of the Prophets is also available on google playstore, however, the physical book feels more serious.

    Topic...
    Trump went to middle east, started bossing them about and putting "terrorism" on them despite the fact that they are all losing soldiers in america's proxy wars, along with losing credibility amongst their armies, armies families, and populations, they all pointed at qatar which appears to be american central command for chaos in the region - clever move.
    They all know that America's discrediting and priming them for overthrow like they discredited and primed saddam - just that America doesn't care about what it calls "terrorism" , it's leadership hates God and hates Islam - and uses "terrorism" as the vehicle. All manner of killing and suffering and chaos without fighting for Islam appears acceptable to those crooks in washington and that's despicably wrong.

    Trump looks like a doofus for messing up the schemes so he tries a damage limitation in america and claims it was his initiative to isolate the country which hosts the american war machine lol.


    Aah already seeing results from my mideast trip - by pi$sing off a whole load of already frustrated leaders because i wanna play hero at home amongst the breitbart and fox crowd - and isolating my biggest puppet in the region who is actually the main source of chaos that my country's government orchestrated.

    Oh M.E leaders and Qatari leaders- saddam also thought he had america at his back whilst he played unjust tyrant in the region and angered Allah. It didn't avail him one bit against Allah when his criminal backers betrayed him.
    FattaqooAllah ya uli al albaab.
    In the end - our return is to Allah anyway so it's best to side with Him innit? Siding with the enemies of Allah loses us this world and the next.
    Yesterday I suddenly thought about this minor sign.

    "Two large groups, adhering to the same religious teaching, will fight each other with large numbers of casualties"

    As Qatar gets Iran as it's ally as well as Turkey. Turkey is gonna send 5.000 troops to Qatar. In this minor sign in the past it was depicted as (sunni vs Shia) but doesn't necessarily mean like that. Rather just two large groups. However Allah knows best.

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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person View Post
    Yesterday I suddenly thought about this minor sign.

    "Two large groups, adhering to the same religious teaching, will fight each other with large numbers of casualties"

    As Qatar gets Iran as it's ally as well as Turkey. Turkey is gonna send 5.000 troops to Qatar. In this minor sign in the past it was depicted as (sunni vs Shia) but doesn't necessarily mean like that. Rather just two large groups. However Allah knows best.

    May Allah protect those who turn to Him. We know turkey has been a zionist agent for a while, and that the iranian administration has become weak minded after the replacement of ahmedinejad with a pro colonialist shill.
    Allah knows best.
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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    "Turkey Approves Bill Allowing Troop Deployment To Qatar"

    Source used: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...ployment-qatar

    Sub'han'Allah, i am each time amazed what is going on. The Turks for such a long time have been the greatest hypocrites on earth and Allah is FORCING them to choose and no longer hide under hypocrisy to have both ways. This also is slowly happening with to choose sides be pro-Russia OR pro-NATO, now also pro-Muslim brotherhood or anti-Muslim brotherhood.

    "But We have certainly tried those before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the liars." Qur'an 29:3

    For sure all this time the Gulf states to Egypt and those countries near it to Pakistan and those Muslim countries near it have been sitting on their chair while seeing so many Muslims being killed in Sham. For them their chair is more holy than the blood of a Muslim, while the fact is that the blood of a Muslim is of MORE value than the ka'ba it self.

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-whi...212441643.html


    World
    Trump White House Blames ISIS Attack on Tehran and the 'Evil They Promote'
    Claire Shaffer,Newsweek 18 hours ago
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    President Donald Trump issued a brief statement Wednesday after the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) carried out an attack in Tehran that warned against the Iranian government's past support of terrorism.


    "We grieve and pray for the innocent victims of the terrorist attacks in Iran, and for the Iranian people, who are going through such challenging times," the statement read. "We underscore that states that sponsor terrorism risk falling victim to the evil they promote."


    At least 12 people were killed and over 40 wounded on Wednesday morning in Tehran, as masked gunman mounted twin attacks on Iran's parliament building and a historic tomb site dedicated to Ayatollah Khomeini, the Iranian revolutionary leader. One assailant detonated a suicide vest. The assault lasted for several hours, and ended with six assailants killed and five suspects taken into custody. Iran's Revolutionary Guards accused Saudi Arabia of helping to support the ISIS-claimed attacks, CNN reported.


    Trending: Gulf Crisis: Arab Leaders Say ‘No Thanks’ To Trump's Offer of Resolving Diplomatic Conflict After President Justifies Cutting Ties With Qatar on Twitter


    “This terrorist attack happened only a week after the meeting between the U.S. president and the backward [Saudi] leaders who support terrorists," the Revolutionary Guard said, referencing a recent summit between Trump and Gulf leaders during his "global religions" tour to Italy, Israel and Saudi Arabia in May. "The fact that Islamic State has claimed responsibility proves that they were involved in the brutal attack."


    The attack is notably ISIS's first major attack in Iran, after years of escalated threats against the country. The State Department also issued a statement in response to the attacks, but without the same forceful tone used by the president.


    "We express our condolences to the victims and their families, and send our thoughts and prayers to the people of Iran," the statement read. "The depravity of terrorism has no place in a peaceful, civilized world."


    Trump's statement comes after a barrage of tweets aimed at Qatar and praising Saudi Arabia-along with Egypt, Bahrain, and the United Arab Emirates-for cutting ties with the country, which hosts the largest U.S.-run airbase in the Middle East and which has been crucial in the fight against ISIS. Saudi Arabia's diplomatic severing was a response, in part, to Qatar's ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS militants supported by Iran.




    http://www.newsweek.com/tehran-attac...inister-622848


    TRUMP'S RESPONSE TO IRAN ISIS ATTACK IS ‘REPUGNANT,’ SAYS FOREIGN MINISTER ZARIF
    BY JACK MOORE ON 6/8/17 AT 5:20 AM
    Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif has condemned President Donald Trump’s response to the twin assault on Tehran Wednesday claimed by the Islamic State militant group (ISIS), calling it “repugnant.”


    Trump said that “states that sponsor terrorism risk falling victim to the evil they promote” after masked gunmen and suicide bombers killed 13 people and wounded more than 40. The attacks targeted the Tehran parliament and the shrine of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who founded the Islamic Republic in 1979.


    “Repugnant WH [White House] statement…as Iranians counter terror backed by U.S. clients,” Zarif tweeted.


    Police killed six attackers and arrested five more suspects in the aftermath of the attack. Iran’s Revolutionary Guards accused Saudi Arabia, its regional rival, of supporting the attack. Zarif also alluded to Saudi involvement.


    “Terror-sponsoring despots threaten to bring the fight to our homeland,” he wrote in an earlier tweet on Wednesday. “Proxies attack what their masters despise most: the seat of democracy.”


    Read more: Gunmen storm Iranian parliament, attack Ayatollah Khomeini Mausoleum in Tehran


    It is the first major ISIS-claimed attack on Iranian soil. The jihadi group has increased its propaganda output aimed at Iranians and Persian speakers this year, including a video in March that called on Iran’s Sunnis to take up arms against Iran’s Shiite elite. Four issues of its online magazine Rumiyah were also translated into Farsi. Around 9 percent of the Iranian population is Sunni, while the rest are mainly Shiites.


    Trump has repeatedly accused Iran of sponsoring “terrorism.” Israel also accuses it of funding extremist groups. Both accuse Iran of funding proxy groups across the Middle East, such as Lebanese Shiite militant group Hezbollah, Palestinian militant group Hamas and Shiite Houthi rebels in Yemen, and suspect it of trying to form a “Shia crescent” of influence across the region.


    Iran is currently backing the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad against Sunni rebels and jihadi groups in the war-torn country. Tehran has also propped up Iraq’s fight against ISIS, advising Baghdad’s predominantly Shiite forces and militias in the battle to recapture cities such as Tikrit and Ramadi.


    Iranian authorities warned last year that the country faces a significant threat from ISIS, which promotes an ultra-conservative strand of Sunni Islam that analysts have described as “medieval.” Hardline Sunnis consider Shiite Islam to be heresy, viewing their worship at shrines as idolatrous.


    In October, Intelligence Minister Mahmoud Alavi said Iranian security services had dismantled a foreign ISIS cell targeting mourners on the Shiite holy day of Ashura—a commemoration of the death of the Prophet Muhammad’s grandson in the 7th century. They discovered around 100 kilograms of explosive material and said it was one of several plots they have uncovered. ISIS did not claim responsibility for the plot.


    Tehran attack
    A boy is evacuated during an attack on the Iranian parliament in central Tehran, Iran.
    OMID VAHABZADEH/TIMA VIA REUTERS

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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

    Anyone who even attempts to claim that they believe that the u.s.a government wish, plan, hope, or expect bloodshed to dwindle should honestly be called out as either a deceiver or a dupe.

    The u.s.a government works through big budgets and has a very sophisticated accounting and secret intelligence apparatus,
    One just needs to look at the military spending curve to realize that they don't wish or expect that the chaos they engineer will recede.

    Maybe also check out it's links with the g.i.a in algeria and how a mercenary group was set up to discredit Islamic activism and control dissent when the first ever elections were stopped as soon as it became clear that the islamic political party would win.
    If the french really gave them independence and allowed an election - who would prevent the election without secularist backing?

    Armed Islamic Group (GIA): Having initiated terrorist activities in 1992 following Algiers refusal to accept a democratically elected Islamist government, the GIA has conducted multiple mass killings of civilians and assassinations of Algerian leaders. While present in areas such as Yemen, the GIA reportedly does not target the U.S. directly. However, it is possible that GIA splinter movements or personnel may become involved in anti-U.S. action.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...tc/modern.html
    One is left seriously wondering how this ex-military analyst and current security consultant confidently assures his clients that it won't be anyone currently with the G.I.A......

    The p.r in secularist news is more fictional than a hollywood movie. - anyone may research bell pottinger al qaeda.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/pentago...l-qaeda-videos



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Equatorial_Guinea_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt[/url]

    http://www.factbehindfiction.com/ind...ickForsyth.htm


    An unofficial responsibility for getting ‘a job’ for the team came to rest with Cat. Which wasn’t easy in these troubled times. ‘In fact he foresaw in the offing a nasty outbreak of peace’. This troubled Shannon,....


    https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/war/

    http://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/economic
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    Re: cutting diplomatic ties with Qatar

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    POLITICS 06/09/2017 11:05 am ET
    Al Jazeera Employees Fear Consequences Of Qatar Crisis For Network
    But staff tell HuffPost they’re used to uncertainty.
    By Daniel Marans


    WASHINGTON ― Several Arab nations’ severing of ties with Qatar sparked speculation that the wealthy Gulf state will scale back or close its prized news outlet, Al Jazeera, as the price of reconciliation with its neighbors.


    That Al Jazeera reported a massive cyberattack on its systems Thursday is only likely to buttress perceptions that the network is one of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other regional governments’ chief grievances with Qatar. Saudi Arabia effectively shut off Al Jazeera’s broadcasts in the kingdom, while the United Arab Emirates removed the company’s subsidiary beIN Sports from its airwaves.


    The developments since the Qatar diplomatic crisis began Sunday have spooked some longtime Al Jazeera employees in Washington, D.C., where the network’s North and South American operations are based.


    Four employees at Al Jazeera’s Washington bureau spoke to HuffPost on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak on the matter. I know all four from my stint as a segment producer at the now-defunct channel, Al Jazeera America, which operated out of the same offices.


    In the D.C. newsroom, “everyone’s obviously talking about” the Qatar crisis’ potential impact on Al Jazeera, one employee told HuffPost.


    The chatter is based not on any information from Al Jazeera’s management, but “media reports suggesting the best bargaining chip for Qatar would be to close the network especially Egypt and Saudi Arabia,” he said. “Personally, it freaks me out.” If Qatar starts to take a “big time hit financially,” the nation is liable to begin cutting the network’s funding, he added.


    Recent actions by management have only heightened employees’ anxiety. In April, the network announced a restructuring aimed at reallocating resources to its digital news operations. Amjad Atallah, who ran Al Jazeera English’s American operations from the Washington bureau, was among those laid off in the first round of terminations. Last Friday, in a second round of terminations, the bureau laid off about 10 other other employees, including several video editors, the director of human resources and finance staff for Al Jazeera Arabic.


    “Since April, a lot of people have made their peace with the fact that there are gonna be changes we don’t know about,” said a second employee at the D.C. bureau. Now, since the Qatari diplomatic crisis hit, “people started talking about Al Jazeera disappearing as a network.”


    Al Jazeera Media Network, the parent company of Al Jazeera English, Al Jazeera Arabic and other, smaller news channels, denied that Qatar’s dispute with Arab nations would affect its future.


    “In the past, we have had restrictions imposed upon us: our channels have been blocked in certain countries or regions; access to our digital platforms has been cut; we have had our offices closed down in some places; we have had licences revoked; and down through the years we have had tough experiences with some of our journalists being either killed, detained, imprisoned or threatened,” the network said in a statement.


    “The current crisis represents a new challenge and new circumstances,” the statement continued. “But Al Jazeera remains committed to continue its pioneering and courageous journalism around the world in a professional, balanced and objective manner.”


    Qatar changed the face of media in the Middle East when it created Al Jazeera Arabic in 1996. The channel earned a reputation for critical coverage that was unprecedented in the largely state-controlled Arab media landscape.


    Ten years later, the network inaugurated Al Jazeera English, which won a loyal English-speaking audience across the world with its comprehensive global coverage and willingness to challenge Western biases.


    The outlet reached new fame during the Arab Spring uprisings, with its unsparing, on-the-ground coverage of the revolutions sweeping the Middle East in 2011.


    But the same reporting that won it international acclaim began to rankle Arab leaders wary of the democratization and Islamist movements unleashed by the revolution in Egypt in particular.


    Qatar had supported the Sunni Islamist Muslim Brotherhood’s rise in post-revolutionary Egypt, while Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and UAE backed the military coup that removed the democratically elected, Brotherhood-affiliated government from power in July 2013.


    Soon after Egyptian coup General Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi became president, he and his Saudi and Emirati backers accused Qatar of using Al Jazeera to promote the Brotherhood, which they deemed a terrorist organization. Al Jazeera argued that it was merely covering popular opposition to the coup and the victims of the government’s repression. And the network’s English-language coverage of Egypt continued to earn high marks from industry watchers.


    Sisi’s forces nonetheless arrested three Al Jazeera English journalists in December 2013 on trumped-up charges of involvement with the Brotherhood.


    As part of its efforts to reconcile with Egypt and its Gulf neighbors, Al Jazeera shuttered its Arabic-language Egyptian channel Mubasher Misr in December 2014. Egypt released the prisoners over the course of the following year.


    As Sunday’s rupture demonstrates, however, Egypt and its powerful Gulf state sponsors remain angry about Qatar’s support for Islamist groups, including Hamas, a militant Palestinian Brotherhood affiliate whose political leadership has enjoyed a safe haven in Doha. And Saudi Arabia and UAE’s subsequent moves to limit Al Jazeera broadcasts suggest they continue to view the network in general, and Al Jazeera Arabic in particular, as a vehicle for that agenda.


    Given the geopolitical wrangling that Al Jazeera is subject to, it is easy to wonder why Western journalists would choose to work there. But veterans of the Washington bureau say they are attracted to the higher-than-normal pay, decent working conditions and opportunity to work on substantive journalism.


    “Whatever happens politically, that’s the Qatari government. We just do our jobs as journalists. We produce very good journalistic products worldwide,” a third employee said.


    Working for a Qatari-funded outlet, with the risks it implies, is merely an unfortunate byproduct, according to the staff members.


    “Everyone here sort of has qualms about who they work for and they realize, especially in the last few years, that geopolitics affects the company they work for,” the first employee said.


    The political system of Qatar is an absolute monarchy and the country’s Emir, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, is head of state. Employees say they sometimes see traces of authoritarianism in the leadership’s opaque communication style with staff. Layoffs, which have become a virtually annual occurrence in recent years, are typically sudden, swift and inscrutable.


    “It’s always been kind of the culture here; Doha dictates and then all of this stuff happens out of the blue,” a fourth employee said, in reference to management in Al Jazeera’s headquarters in the Qatari capital. “We get the last shockwave from whatever is happening up in Doha.”


    One advantage to working under that kind of management is that employees are constantly prepared for the worst and eyeing their next job, several of the staff members said.


    Not even President Donald Trump’s initial expression of support for the Arab nations’ break with Qatar is enough to faze the employees who spoke to HuffPost. (He has since walked back his comments and offered to mediate the dispute.)


    “He’s just so bizarre you don’t know what he’s going to say or do next,” the fourth employee said.

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    This whole diplomatic crises was just so bizarre and yet not surprising at the same time.

    The reasons for cutting ties with Qatar are - I wouldn't say weak because some of the accusations are pretty serious - but they need to be given a lot more thought..

    Qatar may have supported terrorism - well to be honest most countries have supported what are considered terrorist organisations in the past. Those hacks - again, things like this always happen, and usually just precisely before something important is coming up. As for Al-Jazeera and its emails - since when has any media outlet been the epitome of neutrality or political correctness. And don't get me started on Donald Trump - I thought we'd learned by now he'll try to stir up chaos wherever he sets foot, you can't seriously take advice on 'cooperation and supporting world peace' from him.

    I hope everything is resolved quickly and peacefully though. In this Ummah we need cooperation and dialogue, not yet more division.
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    All those countries who blame Qatar for funding terrorism had funded it themselves previously. This is the hypocrisy of politics. I think the real reason is Qatar is trying to act on it's own apart from the Arab league. Oil is gonna finish and Arabs are anxious about it.
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    All those countries who blame Qatar for funding terrorism had funded it themselves previously. This is the hypocrisy of politics. I think the real reason is Qatar is trying to act on it's own apart from the Arab league. Oil is gonna finish and Arabs are anxious about it.


    All those middle eastern states and some Islamic military groups have been set against each other- put in situations of blackmail, had mercenary militant groups and neighbours set upon them, and forced to hoard weapons purchased from the u.s.a and russia through indications, hints, and threats of arming a regional leader with differences, whilst the arming of the zionist state is continually used to keep the arms race running.
    Below is a small list of some of the more overt actions in which the u.s.a has been implicated and in most cases found guilty by the judges and investigators, I only add clippings of the details since more details are available in the link:




    United States and state-sponsored terrorism.

    The United States has at various times in recent history provided support to terrorist and paramilitary organizations around the world. It has also provided assistance to numerous authoritarian regimes that have used state terrorism as a tool of repression.[1][2]

    United States support for non-state terrorists has been prominent in Latin America, the Middle-East, and Southern Africa.[1] From 1981 to 1991, the United States provided weapons, training, and extensive financial and logistical support to the Contra rebels in Nicaragua, who used terror tactics in their fight against the Nicaraguan government.[3] At various points the United States also provided training, arms, and funds to terrorists among the Cuban exiles, such as Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles.

    Various reasons have been provided to justify such support. These include destabilizing political movements that might have aligned with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, including popular democratic and socialist movements.[4] Such support has also formed a part of the war on drugs.[2] Support was also geared toward ensuring a conducive environment for American corporate interests abroad, especially when these interests came under threat from democratic regimes.[4][5]

    Kashmir Princess incident

    On 11 April 1955 the “Kashmir Princess,” an Air India Constellation passenger airliner, was damaged in midair by a bomb explosion and crashed into the South China Sea while en route from Mumbai, India, and Hong Kong to Jakarta, Indonesia.[6] Sixteen of those on board were killed, while three survived.[7][8] The explosion had been caused by a time bomb placed aboard the aircraft by a Kuomintang secret agent who was attempting to assassinate Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, who had been scheduled to board the plane to attend the conference but had changed his travel plans at the last minute.

    When police began to focus on Chow Tse-ming, a janitor for Hong Kong Aircraft Engineering Co., he was plucked away to Taiwan on a CIA-owned Civil Air Transport aircraft.


    Years of Lead

    The Years of Lead was a period of socio-political turmoil in Italy that lasted from the late 1960s into the early 1980s. This period was marked by a wave of terrorism carried out by both right- and left-wing paramilitary groups. It was concluded that the former were supported by the United States as a strategy of tension.



    Piazza Fontana bombing

    The Piazza Fontana Bombing was a terrorist attack that occurred on December 12, 1969 at 16:37, when a bomb exploded at the headquarters of Banca Nazionale dell'Agricoltura (National Agrarian Bank) in Piazza Fontana in Milan killing 17 people and wounding 88. The same afternoon, three more bombs were detonated in Rome and Milan, and another was found undetonated.[20]

    In 1998, Milan judge Guido Salvini indicted U.S. Navy officer David Carrett on charges of political and military espionage for his participation in the Piazza Fontana bombing et al. Salvini also opened up a case against Sergio Minetto, an Italian official of the U.S.-NATO intelligence network, and "collaboratore di giustizia" Carlo Digilio (Uncle Otto), who served as CIA coordinator in Northeastern Italy in the sixties and seventies. The newspaper la Repubblica reported that Carlo Rocchi, CIA's man in Milan was discovered in 1995 searching for information concerning Operation Gladio.[15]

    A 2000 parliamentary report published by the center-left Olive Tree coalition claimed that "U.S. intelligence agents were informed in advance about several right-wing terrorist bombings, including the December 1969 Piazza Fontana bombing in Milan and the Piazza della Loggia bombing in Brescia five years later, but did nothing to alert the Italian authorities or to prevent the attacks from taking place." It also alleged that Pino Rauti (current leader of the MSI Fiamma-Tricolore party), a journalist and founder of the far-right Ordine Nuovo (New Order) subversive organization, received regular funding from a press officer at the U.S. embassy in Rome. "So even before the 'stabilising' plans that Atlantic circles had prepared for Italy became operational through the bombings, one of the leading members of the subversive right was literally in the pay of the American embassy in Rome", the report says.[21]

    Paolo Emilio Taviani, the Christian Democrat co-founder of Gladio (NATO's stay-behind anti-Communist organization in Italy), told investigators that the SID military intelligence service was about to send a senior officer from Rome to Milan to prevent the bombing, but decided to send a different officer from Padua in order to put the blame on left-wing anarchists. Taviani also alleged in an August 2000 interview to Il Secolo XIX newspaper: "It seems to me certain, however, that agents of the CIA were among those who supplied the materials and who muddied the waters of the investigation."[22]

    Guido Salvini said "The role of the Americans was ambiguous, halfway between knowing and not preventing and actually inducing people to commit atrocities."[23]

    According to Vincenzo Vinciguerra, the terrorist attack was supposed to push then Interior Minister Mariano Rumor to declare a state of emergency.[15]


    Kidnapping attempt and assassination of General René Schneider



    The Contras

    From 1979 to 1990, the United States provided financial, logistical and military support to the Contra rebels in Nicaragua, who used terrorist tactics in their war against the Nicaraguan government[3][27][28][29][30][31] and carried out more than 1300 terrorist attacks.[32] This support persisted despite widespread knowledge of the human rights violations committed by the Contras.[28]


    The U.S. government explicitly planned to back the Contras, various rebel groups collectively that were formed in response to the rise of the Sandinistas, as a means to damage the Nicaraguan economy and force the Sandinista government to divert its scarce resources toward the army and away from social and economic programs.[46]


    The United States began to support Contra activities against the Sandinista government by December 1981, with the CIA at the forefront of operations.[47] The CIA provided the Contras with planning and operational direction and assistance, weapons, food, and training, in what was described as the "most ambitious" covert operation in more than a decade.[48][49] One of the purposes the CIA hoped to achieve by these operations was an aggressive and violent response from the Sandinista government which in turn could be used as a pretext for proper military actions.[50]


    In the fiscal year 1984, the U.S. Congress approved $24 million in contra aid.[47] However, the Reagan administration lost a lot of support for its Contra policy after CIA involvement in the mining of Nicaraguan ports became public knowledge, and a report of the Bureau of Intelligence and Research commissioned by the State Department found that Reagan had exaggerated claims about Soviet interference in Nicaragua.[47][61] Congress cut off all funds for the contras in 1985 by the third Boland Amendment.[47][62] As a result, the Reagan administration sought to provide funds through other sources.[63] Between 1984 and 1986, $34 million was routed through third countries and $2.7 million through private sources.[64] These funds were run through the National Security Council, by Lt. Col. Oliver North, who created an organization called "The Enterprise" which served as the secret arm of the NSC staff and had its own airplanes, pilots, airfield, ship, and operatives.[64] It also received assistance from other government agencies, especially from CIA personnel in Central America.[64] These efforts culminated in the Iran-Contra Affair of 1986–1987, which facilitated funding for the Contras through the proceeds of arms sales to Iran. Money was also raised for the Contras through drug trafficking, which the United States was aware of.[65] Senator John Kerry's 1988 Committee on Foreign Relations report on Contra drug links concluded that "senior U.S. policy makers were not immune to the idea that drug money was a perfect solution to the Contras' funding problems".[66]

    Another common theme the administration played on was the idea of returning Nicaragua to Democracy, which analysts characterized as "curious," because Nicaragua had been a U.S. supported dictatorship prior to the Sandinista revolution, and had never had a democracy
    .

    Leslie Cockburn writes that the CIA, and therefore indirectly the U.S. government and President Reagan, were encouraging Contra terrorism by issuing the manual to the contras violating Reagan's own Presidential Directive.

    The manual, Psychological Operations in Guerrilla Warfare, clearly advocated a strategy of terror as the means to victory over the hearts and minds of Nicaraguans. Chapter headings such as ‘Selective Use of Violence for propagandistic Effects' and ‘Implicit and Explicit Terror' made that fact clear enough. ... The little booklet thus violated President Reagan's own Presidential Directive 12333, signed in December 1981, which prohibited any U.S. government employee—including the CIA—from having anything to do with assassinations.[80]


    The ICJ found that the U.S. had encouraged violations of international humanitarian law by assisting paramilitary actions in Nicaragua. The court also criticized the production of a manual on psychological warfare by the U.S. and its dissemination of the Contras.[82] The manual, amongst other things, provided advice on rationalizing the killing of civilians, and on targeted murder. The manual also included an explicit description of the use of "implicit terror."[82]

    Having initially argued that the ICJ lacked jurisdiction in the case, the United States withdrew from the proceedings in 1985.[82] The court eventually ruled in favor of Nicaragua, and judged that the United States was required to pay reparations for its violation of International law.[82] The U.S. used its veto on the United Nations Security Council to block the enforcement of the ICJ judgement, and thereby prevented Nicaragua from obtaining any compensation.




    Cuban exiles

    United States government provided support to several Cuban exiles after the success of the Cuban Revolution in 1959, especially under the administration of George H. W. Bush. Among the most prominent of these were Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles, who were implicated in the 1976 bombing of a Cuban plane. Bosch was also held to be responsible for 30 other terrorist acts, while Carriles was a former CIA agent convicted of numerous terrorist acts committed while he was linked to the agency.[84][85][86][87] Other Cuban exiles involved in terrorist acts, Jose Dionisio Suarez and Virgilio Paz Romero, two other Cuban exiles who assassinated the Chilean diplomat Orlando Letelier in Washington in 1976, were also released by the administration of George H.W. Bush.[88]

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit...ored_terrorism


    And I believe most of us are aware of OPERATION NORTHWOODS.


    The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, General William Odom recently remarked, “by any measure the U.S. has long used terrorism.
    In 1978-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the U.S. would be in violation.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/america...-group/5402881


    Here's an interesting method used to propose or muse over think tank policy by using a discarded ally victim state as the subject of context:
    (For those who know how the Nidal organization was used as a tool and excuse for repression during the washington-saddam alliance - and to bomb Badghdad in 1992 during the end of Saddam's reign).


    Journal
    Cambridge Review of International Affairs
    Volume 27, 2014 - Issue 3


    Governmental support for nonstate actors designated as terrorist organizations is not only a policy that carries significant international and domestic costs; it further poses a theoretical challenge to structural realist thinking about alliance politics in international relations. By debating, firstly, the utility of terrorism as a means to influence systemic power distribution, and, secondly, the functional equality of nonstate actors, this article considers under what conditions state sponsored terrorism occurs despite the expected security loss. Drawing on the example of Iraq between 1979 and 1991, the assumption that the interplay of external security challenges—as well as domestic dissent as an intervening, unit-level factor—affects governmental alignments with terrorist groups will be reviewed in the cases of the Iranian Mujahedin al-Khalq Organization, the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood and armed Palestinian factions.

    The article concludes by addressing whether state sponsorship of terrorism is inevitably linked to policy failure or whether it could be seen as a good investment to balance external and internal security challenges successfully.

    Additional author information

    Magdalena Kirchner
    Magdalena Kirchner (MA, Heidelberg) is a PhD candidate in political science at the University of Heidelberg. Her research interests include International Relations Theory and Foreign Policy Analysis in the context of political violence and terrorism as well as state-society relations in the Middle East. She has taught political science at the University of Heidelberg and serves as editor of the German Armed Forces journal Security Policy Reader.

    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...nalCode=ccam20

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    A senior Palestinian official in Ramallah, on the West Bank, described the circumstances as "mysterious". The official said he had been told he had committed suicide but was unable to explain how this was consistent with a report that he had suffered three gunshot wounds.


    Mystery death of Abu Nidal, once the world's most wanted terrorist
    Leader of group that struck across globe is found shot dead

    Ewen MacAskill, diplomatic editor, Richard Nelsson, research department
    Tuesday 20 August 2002 01.54 BST

    Abu Nidal, leader of a renegade Palestinian terrorist group responsible for a string of atrocities in the 1980s and 1990s, has died from gunshot wounds in mysterious circumstances in a flat in Baghdad, according to Palestinian and other sources. He was 65.
    Abu Nidal's group carried out hijackings, attacks on synagogues, kidnappings and assassinations of diplomats. His targets included the US, Israel, Britain, France, Jordan and many other countries, as well as followers of the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat. About 900 were killed, including eight Britons.

    Members of his group, the Fatah-Revolutionary Council, better known as the Abu Nidal Organisation, said yesterday that he had committed suicide because he was suffering from cancer.

    A senior Palestinian official in Ramallah, on the West Bank, described the circumstances as "mysterious". The official said he had been told he had committed suicide but was unable to explain how this was consistent with a report that he had suffered three gunshot wounds.

    His death has been expected since news emerged in 1998 that he had been admitted to a clinic in Cairo.

    Abu Nidal is a nom de guerre for Sabri al-Banna and which means Father of the Struggle. The US state department once termed his group "the most dangerous terrorist organisation in existence".

    He was a terrorist mercenary, who worked, at various times, on behalf of Iraq, Syria and Libya and, it is claimed, even Israel.

    Yossi Melman, an Israeli author, who wrote a biography of Abu Nidal, said his death could be the result of illness but he could also have been assassinated, perhaps by one of his own men in the internal feuds for which his organisation is known or perhaps by an Iraqi government fearful that he knew too much about its operations.

    But his presence in Baghdad was not considered an embarrassment to the Iraqi government at a time when it is facing a threatened US invasion.

    The US administration, though desperately seeking to link the Iraqi president, Saddam Hussein, to terrorism, has at no time made an issue of Abu Nidal's presence in the Iraqi capital. This may be, in part, because Abu Nidal's group is no longer operational.


    He moved to Baghdad about 18 months ago after he feared that the Egyptian government would arrest him in hospital and hand him over to western countries.

    An Iraqi affairs specialist based in Beirut, Khairallah Khairallah, said Abu Nidal's relations with the Iraqi government were strained. The Iraqi government fell out with him in 1991 during the Gulf War when he sided with with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/aug/20/israel

    (Kuwait and Saudi Arabia ....or America????? One is left to wonder.



    It's no easy task for the government of tiny Qatar to tell the u.s.a to remove u.s.a military bases from qatar and be done with kaafir dajjal u.s and british troops, along with blackwater mercenaries landing on it's soil and flying back out in choppers and in convoys flying shahadah flags with the aim of increasing confusion and chaos in the region and globally. It's useful to study the story of Barseesah the monk at this point.
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    Been reading up a bit more about the news and history and so far i see it, it has a lot to do with Iran.

    What has happened in the recent history that we can connect the dot of Qatar pressuring to it? Well we know of Trump visit. The whole Arab-NATO plan and really start pressuring Iran. If Iran falls, Syria falls. If Syria falls, as well as the Houtis, hamas, hezbollah lose and not to forget Russia loses their harbor in Tartus. Qatar however made clear that the on the other hand did not want to join this coalition against Iran.

    So step by step by directly pressuring Qatar, however looking at it, Qatar isn't gonna budge as now a sort of new alliance has been created..Turkey + Iran + Qatar. However if this new alliance for sure becomes a fact, the next step the Arab countries gonna take, will DEVASTATE the Middle East. That step, i will keep for myself something for you to ponder about.
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