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    Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterbury (OP)


    Look at this clown =_=!. I'm sorry brother @Eric H , but i lose with each day respect towards Christian preachers and bishops and down that road. "People pleasers" but not God pleasers.

    "The Archbishop seemed to suggest it would be hypocritical for Muslim leaders to refuse any correlation between the terrorist acts and Islam, and that it would be akin to saying Christians had no involvement in the Srebrenica massacre of more than 8,000 Muslims at the hands of the Bosnian Serb Army. “I don’t think it is getting us anywhere, just like saying Srebrenica had nothing to do with Christianity,

    How on earth does Islam say go kill innocent Muslims? Has he lost it completely? Or even blaming Christianity for Srebrenica massacre. These people are the cause religion is being looked at in such a bad way. Because they take responsibility as if it is Christianity or Islam at fault for such insane people. These people who have such a say in these matters are in my eyes even MORE evil than the ones who are doing the killing. Because of such people green light is given for secular governments to ban more and more religious things. People even being prosecuted because they follow a religion in the end. Such people are not only a disgrace to Christianity, but also to religion in general. As if such evil people with intention say such things as they have a hidden agenda to get rid of the religion by speaking on behalf of religion. Somebody who truly believes what he believes and KNOWS AND UNDERSTANDS what his religion is all about..how on earth can they say my religion has to do with such evil acts of killing innocent people?

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    Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby has urged faith leaders to take action against religion being adopted as a pretext to commit mass terrorist atrocities. Speaking in the aftermath of the London Bridge terrorist attack on Saturday evening, which killed seven and injured almost 50, Welby said a fundamental lack of religious knowledge is hindering authorities’ attempts to counter the theology behind acts of terrorism.

    “They are often people who are unable to put themselves in the shoes of religious believers and understand a way of looking at the world that says that this defines your whole life, every single aspect of who you are and what you are,” he told the BBC Today program on Monday. The Church of England’s highest cleric called on all leaders, religious and secular, to acknowledge the ideological nature of “religiously motivated violence,” as failing to do so would likely make it “impossible” to overcome. Welby said religion has been “twisted and misused” throughout history to accommodate violence. “We have got to say that if something happens within our own faith tradition we need to take responsibility for countering that.” The Archbishop seemed to suggest it would be hypocritical for Muslim leaders to refuse any correlation between the terrorist acts and Islam, and that it would be akin to saying Christians had no involvement in the Srebrenica massacre of more than 8,000 Muslims at the hands of the Bosnian Serb Army. “I don’t think it is getting us anywhere, just like saying Srebrenica had nothing to do with Christianity,” he said. Although he praised the “extraordinary” condemnation of the London Bridge attack by every “significant” Muslim leader and body, he said that Islam is missing a “structure."

    “From an outside perspective, one of the issues about dealing with Islam is that there is not much of a structure. There isn’t a pope or a bishop that you can go to and say these are the leaders. “There will always be particular groups which take views that are different from the mainstream but what is clear over the weekend is the extraordinary level of condemnation by every significant Muslim leader we know and every significant Muslim body we know.” It follows the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) condemnation of the attack in the “strongest terms.” “I am appalled and angered by the terrorist attacks at London Bridge and Borough Market, in my home city,” Harun Khan, Secretary General of the MCB, said in a statement. “These acts of violence were truly shocking and I condemn them in the strongest terms. “Muslims everywhere are outraged and disgusted at these cowards who once again have destroyed the lives of our fellow Britons. “That this should happen in this month of Ramadan, when many Muslims were praying and fasting only goes to show that these people respect neither life nor faith.” It also comes as 130 imams and religious leaders have refused to offer Islam’s traditional funeral prayer to the perpetrators of the London Bridge and Borough Market attack, despite it usually being performed for all people, regardless of their actions. The MCB justified its decision on the basis that such “indefensible actions” are “completely at odds with the lofty teachings of Islam.”

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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

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    format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT View Post
    Extremism, people mean the likes of Bin Laden and Isis who condone attacking innocent civilians through bombs and explosions.

    Now, I know what you're going to say: "Why don't your criticize western powers for stuff like airstrikes?"

    And here is my response: "Of course I am vocal and a critique of airstrikes done by those powers. I condemn terrorism whether it comes from air/drone strikes or the likes of Bin Laden and Isis.
    This shows that you have never heard their talks on this issue. Usaamah never condoned attacks on "innocents". The word you have used is misleading. He and azh-Zhawaahiri explained that issue, in the past. It can be referred to in their speeches. They said what the Fuqahaa said, which is that people are divided into two groups:

    1) Muhaarib (Fighter)
    2) Ghayr Muhaarib (Non-Fighter)

    They did not call for deliberate attacks against "Ghayr Muhaaribeen". The attack is aimed at the Kuffaar "Muhaaribs", and if "Ghayr Muhaaribeen" were to die as a result of those attacks, because they were near to the area at the time, and they were not targeted nor were their deaths intentional, then the Fuqahaa themselves have mentioned that this is excused.
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    My research on the issue tells me that Usaamah grew up in a big and rich family but he had a mind that was less constricted by the fads and status quo, went through the phases that Arabs go through when he studied in secular england, had a decent amount of knowledge on Islam, compared it all, chose Islaam, was affected by the injustices being perpetrated around the globe, wanted to do something to rectify the problems, was assisted and used by the secularist intelligence agencies with ulterior motives and was often steered off course, he saw through the facade and saw the american government as the root of all global corruption and confusion, turned his sights on them, and was then - and only then - accused of being a so called "terrorist". There's a similar (although different) story with saddam, however Usama was the new kind of threat to corruption, he was possibly the first individual in recent times to have been named as a target of "war" rather than simple law enforcement by a large government, this is the model that was used to target an ideology directly without a government or boundary based face, the implications for such a mode of operation is quite telling to those who care to put their minds to use and attempt to foresee the goals of such attempted stage setting by putting events into a chrono-logical perspective.
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    This shows that you have never heard their talks on this issue. Usaamah never condoned attacks on "innocents". The word you have used is misleading. He and azh-Zhawaahiri explained that issue, in the past. It can be referred to in their speeches. They said what the Fuqahaa said, which is that people are divided into two groups:

    1) Muhaarib (Fighter)
    2) Ghayr Muhaarib (Non-Fighter)

    They did not call for deliberate attacks against "Ghayr Muhaaribeen". The attack is aimed at the Kuffaar "Muhaaribs", and if "Ghayr Muhaaribeen" were to die as a result of those attacks, because they were near to the area at the time, and they were not targeted nor were their deaths intentional, then the Fuqahaa themselves have mentioned that this is excused.
    Collateral damage, seriously? You want to criticize western governments for this and yet you say it's ok. Wow. And you're an Al Qaeda supporter. Look at that.

    You can't accuses Western powers of doing terrorist attacks when you condone terrorism yourself. I don't mean to be rude, but there is a lot of hypocrisy coming from you in a lot of issues.
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT View Post
    I don't mean to be rude, but there is a lot of hypocrisy coming from you in a lot of issues.
    Do you know what hypocrisy means? What Nifaaq means? Who the Munaafiqeen are?

    The ones who sell their Deen for the Dunyaa, and boot-lick the Americans - those are the Munaafiqeen. And their scholars who promote boot-licking? Those are the "Heads of Nifaaq (Hypocrisy)".
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    format_quote Originally Posted by Huzaifah ibn Adam View Post
    Do you know what hypocrisy means? What Nifaaq means? Who the Munaafiqeen are?

    The ones who sell their Deen for the Dunyaa, and boot-lick the Americans - those are the Munaafiqeen. And their scholars who promote boot-licking? Those are the "Heads of Nifaaq (Hypocrisy)".
    Not that kind of hypocrisy, this kind for example:

    You: Western powers are so horrible. In an attempt to kill terrorist, they bomb countries and kill citizens in the way. Who cares if its collaterals damage, innocents are caught in the crossfire and are dying.

    When Al Qaeda does it, You: It's ok.

    Second

    You: Hating and judging muslims based on their religion is wrong. How awful.

    Also you: Hating and judging jews based on their religion is ok though.
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT View Post
    Not that kind of hypocrisy, this kind for example:

    You: Western powers are so horrible. In an attempt to kill terrorist, they bomb countries and kill citizens in the way. Who cares if its collaterals damage, innocents are caught in the crossfire and are dying.

    When Al Qaeda does it, You: It's ok.

    Second

    You: Hating and judging muslims based on their religion is wrong. How awful.

    Also you: Hating and judging jews based on their religion is ok though.
    One can't paint justice and injustice with the same brush, the corrupt secularists have no justification for killing people in the name of Islaah, since the corrupt secularists have already unlawfully invaded countries based on lies and have killed millions of people without just cause, and are the root cause of corruption and disorder and need to repent of the injustices they have been commiting, must seek God's forgiveness, and set themselves right before they have a right to kill others in the name of justice - so yes, the "other definition" for hypocrisy applies in this case too.

    Lemme tell you a joke I heard when I was a child, it may help you put things in just perspective.

    A little kid comes home from school one day and sees his parents at it on the sofa,
    He runs upstairs, grabs his crippled grandma, and starts trying to jux her,
    His dad hears the commotion and yelling and runs upstairs,
    Dad: What the hell you doing you little imbecille,
    Boy: if you can jux my mom - I can jux yours.


    Moral: nobody has a right to commit a haraam act - Allah is the best to legislate what is lawful - and He is more wise and just than george bush, barrak obama, and donald trump.

    Do your research on the battles of the prophet pbuh and know that he fought in Allah's way for justice.
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    One can't paint justice and injustice with the same brush, the corrupt secularists have no justification for killing people in the name of Islaah, since the corrupt secularists have already unlawfully invaded countries based on lies and have killed millions of people without just cause, and are the root cause of corruption and disorder and need to repent of the injustices they have been commiting, must seek God's forgiveness, and set themselves right before they have a right to kill others in the name of justice - so yes, the "other definition" for hypocrisy applies in this case too.

    Lemme tell you a joke I heard when I was a child, it may help you put things in just perspective.

    A little kid comes home from school one day and sees his parents at it on the sofa,
    He runs upstairs, grabs his crippled grandma, and starts juxing her,
    His dad hears the commotion and runs upstairs,
    Dad: What the hell you doing you little imbecille,
    Boy: if you can jux my mom - I can jux yours.


    Moral: nobody has a right to commit a haraam act - Allah is the best to legislate what is lawful - and He is more wise and just than george bush, barrak obama, and donald trump.

    Do your research on the battles of the prophet pbuh and know that he fought in Allah's way for justice.
    Yeah, this is coming from an ISIS and Al Qaeda supporter, so I'm taking what you say with a grain of salt.
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    I am a supporter of truth and justice. My ultimate allegiance goes way above the labels which you mention and I see a lack of intellectual capacity in the tendency to resort to labelling and bland demonisation via constantly demonised expensively propagandised labels - when one runs out of valid, constructive, and just reasoning. It's a tune which I see played out all over the place when certain gangs are presented with just reasoning to which they are dumbstruck - enemy image fearmongering substance lacking syndrome.

    Oh you support pythagoras theorem and he was a greek (or whatever) so you must be gay aswell.
    Or: you say Eid Mubarak, and Mubarak is a terrorist leader of Egypt, so I hate you.
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    I am a supporter of truth and justice. My ultimate allegiance goes way above the labels which you mention and I see a lack of intellectual capacity in the tendency to resort to labelling and bland demonisation via constantly demonised expensively propagandised labels - when one runs out of valid, constructive, and just reasoning. It's a tune which I see played out all over the place when certain gangs are presented with just reasoning to which they are dumbstruck - enemy image fearmongering substance lacking syndrome.

    Oh you support pythagoras theorem and he was a greek (or whatever) so you must be gay aswell.
    Or: you say Eid Mubarak, and Mubarak is a terrorist leader of Egypt, so I hate you.
    You have not understood the point I was making, but I am not going to waste my time with you.
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    Re: Muslim leaders should ‘take responsibility’ for extremism – Archbishop of Canterb

    format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT View Post
    You have not understood the point I was making, but I am not going to waste my time with you.
    My duty is to understand Allah, you are under no obligation to waste time.
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