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    Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

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    Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate
    Posted By Ian Schwartz
    On Date July 6, 2017


    Activist Linda Sarsour, co-chair of the 2017 women's march against Donald Trump, called for a "jihad" against the president at the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) convention in Chicago over the weekend. Sarsour was a delegate to the 2016 Democratic National Convention.

    Sarsour is a supporter of the BDS movement against Israel and opposes bans of sharia. She also is a somewhat frequent MSNBC guest and has appeared on The Rachel Maddow Show.

    "I hope that we when we stand up to those who oppress our communities that Allah accepts from us that as a form of jihad. That we are struggling against tyrants and rulers not only abroad in the Middle East or in the other side of the world, but here in these United States of America where you have fascists and white supremacists and Islamophobes reigning in the White House," Sarsour said.

    "Our number one and top priority is to protect and defend our community, it is not to assimilate and please any other people and authority," she said. "Our obligation is to our young people, is to our women, to make sure our women are protected in our community."

    "Our top priority and even higher than all those other priorities is to please Allah and only Allah," Sarsour declared.

    Ben Jacobs of The Guardian tweeted Sarsour "was a vocal surrogate for Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primary and a DNC delegate."



    Sanders tweeted on January 23, 2017: "Thank you @lsarsour for helping to organize the march and build a progressive movement. When we stand together, we win. #IMarchwithLinda"




    FULL SPEECH: Linda Sarsour addressing at 54th Annual ISNA Convention
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    Like what kind of Jihad tho?
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    This kind:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000313


    WOMEN 07/06/2017 09:58 pm ET
    Linda Sarsour Said ‘Jihad’ In A Speech And Conservatives Freaked Out
    The term continues to be misunderstood.
    By Antonia Blumberg
    Conservative news sites are targeting activist Linda Sarsour again, this time for using the word “jihad” in a speech to a mainly Muslim audience.


    Speaking in Chicago at the annual Islamic Society of North America convention over the weekend, Sarsour, an organizer of January’s Women’s March, discussed what it means to be a patriot in the United States.


    In her speech, which was posted online Monday, Sarsour discussed leaders like Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali who helped shift culture by being unapologetically themselves.


    “These are people who dissented against our government and against the very policies that oppress the community that they came from,” she said.
    Linda Sarsour ✔ @lsarsour
    People conveniently forgot that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a non-violent leader & activist and called "most dangerous leader."
    1:07 PM - 6 Jul 2017
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    A number of conservative outlets zeroed in on a particular section of Sarsour’s speech, in which she used the word “jihad” to describe efforts to resist unjust policies.


    The word “jihad” has long been misused and misunderstood by both Muslim extremists and people seeking to spread hatred against Muslims. But for the majority of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, “jihad” is a word that literally means “to struggle.” It’s a concept within Islam that represents a commitment to serve God, and to be good to yourself and your neighbors. It can be personal, like struggling to get through a rough workday, or overarching, like striving to seek justice for all people.


    As Sarsour recounted in her speech, the Prophet Muhammad is said to have described the best form of jihad as “a word of truth in front of a tyrant, ruler or leader.”


    “I hope that we when we stand up to those who oppress our communities, that Allah accepts from us that as a form of jihad,” she went on. “That we are struggling against tyrants and rulers not only abroad in the Middle East or in the other side of the world, but here in these United States of America, where you have fascists and white supremacists and Islamophobes reigning in the White House.”


    In an article that emphasized Sarsour’s relationships with the Democratic Party, MSNBC, Rachel Maddow and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the conservative site RealClearPolitics accused the activist of calling on Muslims “to form ‘jihad’” against President Donald Trump.


    Sarsour said such framing of her speech aims to “play off the lack of knowledge that ordinary Americans have of Islam.”


    “They are targeting me because I am an unapologetic Muslim American and because I am an effective leader,” she said in an email to HuffPost.


    Muslim activists and organizations have worked to educate the public about the true meaning of “jihad” since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, when the term entered mainstream awareness in the U.S. There have been bus advertisements, videos, blogs and social media campaigns aimed at educating people about the word’s proper meaning.


    The response to Sarsour’s comments this week, however, shows that the misunderstanding persists.


    The Muslim journalist Ismat Sarah Mangla tweeted:




    Ismat Sarah Mangla ✔ @isma t
    This uproar against Sarsour for using the word "jihad" in a speech is why we need more religion reporters in America, who can provide
    3:47 PM - 6 Jul 2017
    7 7 Retweets 16 16 likes
    Ismat Sarah Mangla ✔ @isma t
    Replying to @isma t
    much-needed context. "Jihad" does not mean holy war. It means to struggle. It is a benign concept in Islam.
    3:47 PM - 6 Jul 2017
    7 7 Retweets 18 18 likes
    Sarsour’s address was mainly concerned with urging the Muslim community to stand united in the face of injustice against themselves and other marginalized groups, and encouraging Muslims to invest in local organizing efforts.


    That conservative sites singled out Sarsour’s comments on “jihad” isn’t surprising. Since emerging as a highly visible organizer and activist in the wake of Trump’s election last year, Sarsour has been targeted by right-wing and anti-Muslim sites baselessly accusing her of supporting terrorism. She also routinely encounters hateful messages and has received death threats.


    Watch Sarsour’s full speech below:
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    Just tell Trump that we care more about Muslims being bombed by him than him banning some Rich Muslims going to USA.
    Stop bombing Muslims.We do not care if he bans Muslims from going to USA.It is his country and he can do whatever he wants.
    But bombing Muslims is something for which there will be price to pay.
    Mark my words.
    USA will pay.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    Hlw disgusting and ironic for USA to blame us for Jihad.
    I will not waste my time teaching US citizens and correcting them, who blame us when they are to be blamed.
    Just listen to
    1)-Michael Scheuer
    2)-Ron Paul
    And You may watch these videos.
    https://youtu.be/XKfuS6gfxPY
    https://youtu.be/T87pKGwC3pk
    format_quote Originally Posted by Singularity View Post
    This kind:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...ushpmg00000313


    WOMEN 07/06/2017 09:58 pm ET
    Linda Sarsour Said ‘Jihad’ In A Speech And Conservatives Freaked Out
    The term continues to be misunderstood.
    By Antonia Blumberg
    Conservative news sites are targeting activist Linda Sarsour again, this time for using the word “jihad” in a speech to a mainly Muslim audience.


    Speaking in Chicago at the annual Islamic Society of North America convention over the weekend, Sarsour, an organizer of January’s Women’s March, discussed what it means to be a patriot in the United States.


    In her speech, which was posted online Monday, Sarsour discussed leaders like Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali who helped shift culture by being unapologetically themselves.


    “These are people who dissented against our government and against the very policies that oppress the community that they came from,” she said.
    Linda Sarsour ✔ @lsarsour
    People conveniently forgot that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a non-violent leader & activist and called "most dangerous leader."
    1:07 PM - 6 Jul 2017
    784 784 Retweets 1,629 1,629 likes
    A number of conservative outlets zeroed in on a particular section of Sarsour’s speech, in which she used the word “jihad” to describe efforts to resist unjust policies.


    The word “jihad” has long been misused and misunderstood by both Muslim extremists and people seeking to spread hatred against Muslims. But for the majority of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims, “jihad” is a word that literally means “to struggle.” It’s a concept within Islam that represents a commitment to serve God, and to be good to yourself and your neighbors. It can be personal, like struggling to get through a rough workday, or overarching, like striving to seek justice for all people.


    As Sarsour recounted in her speech, the Prophet Muhammad is said to have described the best form of jihad as “a word of truth in front of a tyrant, ruler or leader.”


    “I hope that we when we stand up to those who oppress our communities, that Allah accepts from us that as a form of jihad,” she went on. “That we are struggling against tyrants and rulers not only abroad in the Middle East or in the other side of the world, but here in these United States of America, where you have fascists and white supremacists and Islamophobes reigning in the White House.”


    In an article that emphasized Sarsour’s relationships with the Democratic Party, MSNBC, Rachel Maddow and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), the conservative site RealClearPolitics accused the activist of calling on Muslims “to form ‘jihad’” against President Donald Trump.


    Sarsour said such framing of her speech aims to “play off the lack of knowledge that ordinary Americans have of Islam.”


    “They are targeting me because I am an unapologetic Muslim American and because I am an effective leader,” she said in an email to HuffPost.


    Muslim activists and organizations have worked to educate the public about the true meaning of “jihad” since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, when the term entered mainstream awareness in the U.S. There have been bus advertisements, videos, blogs and social media campaigns aimed at educating people about the word’s proper meaning.


    The response to Sarsour’s comments this week, however, shows that the misunderstanding persists.


    The Muslim journalist Ismat Sarah Mangla tweeted:




    Ismat Sarah Mangla ✔ @isma t
    This uproar against Sarsour for using the word "jihad" in a speech is why we need more religion reporters in America, who can provide
    3:47 PM - 6 Jul 2017
    7 7 Retweets 16 16 likes
    Ismat Sarah Mangla ✔ @isma t
    Replying to @isma t
    much-needed context. "Jihad" does not mean holy war. It means to struggle. It is a benign concept in Islam.
    3:47 PM - 6 Jul 2017
    7 7 Retweets 18 18 likes
    Sarsour’s address was mainly concerned with urging the Muslim community to stand united in the face of injustice against themselves and other marginalized groups, and encouraging Muslims to invest in local organizing efforts.


    That conservative sites singled out Sarsour’s comments on “jihad” isn’t surprising. Since emerging as a highly visible organizer and activist in the wake of Trump’s election last year, Sarsour has been targeted by right-wing and anti-Muslim sites baselessly accusing her of supporting terrorism. She also routinely encounters hateful messages and has received death threats.


    Watch Sarsour’s full speech below:
    How disgusting and ironic for USA to blame us for Jihad.
    I will not waste my time teaching you and correcting you who blame us when you are to be blamed.
    Just listen to
    1)-Michael Scheuer
    2)-Ron Paul
    And You may watch these videos.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    Or...
    https://youtu.be/SVlAg_bbqX0
    Christians act as if they are the victims.
    By chanting
    "Europeans will rise!"
    When the Christians are the agressors.
    Responsible for millions of Muslim deaths and rapes and invasion of their lands.
    They say "Oh the Arabs and Muslim are backwards,they are sooooo underdeveloped."
    Well I have news for those Wannabe All Important.
    For the past hundred years,USA has been carrying out coups and bombing of Muslim countries.
    How do you expect us to be developed then?
    Give us a hundred years without carrying out coups or invading us.
    Make no mistake.
    Justice will be served
    If there is a Just God,
    The West will pay heavily.
    You cannot deny that after what US has done in past 100 years,if there is a just God,
    He will make it pay?
    So next time you meet an Athiest,
    Tell him that the proof that God exists is
    1)-The Scientific community is lying to you.
    And
    2)-The West shall pay a heavy price.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1 View Post
    Or...
    https://youtu.be/SVlAg_bbqX0
    Christians act as if they are the victims.
    By chanting
    "Europeans will rise!"
    When the Christians are the agressors.
    Responsible for millions of Muslim deaths and rapes and invasion of their lands.
    They say "Oh the Arabs and Muslim are backwards,they are sooooo underdeveloped."
    Well I have news for those Wannabe All Important.
    For the past hundred years,USA has been carrying out coups and bombing of Muslim countries.
    How do you expect us to be developed then?
    Give us a hundred years without carrying out coups or invading us.
    Make no mistake.
    Justice will be served
    If there is a Just God,
    The West will pay heavily.
    You cannot deny that after what US has done in past 100 years,if there is a just God,
    He will make it pay?
    So next time you meet an Athiest,
    Tell him that the proof that God exists is
    1)-The Scientific community is lying to you.
    And
    2)-The West shall pay a heavy price.
    Why don't you tell the Muslim rulers to stop oppressing their people and the Americans will stop orchestrating coups.....the people of Muslim countries end up supporting these coups:
    as evidenced by Turkish history, Libyan history, Ghana's history, various African dictator's histories, etc.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1 View Post
    Just tell Trump that we care more about Muslims being bombed by him than him banning some Rich Muslims going to USA.
    Stop bombing Muslims.We do not care if he bans Muslims from going to USA.It is his country and he can do whatever he wants.
    But bombing Muslims is something for which there will be price to pay.
    Mark my words.
    USA will pay.
    also, to add on to what i said, the people of Libya supported the no fly zone over libya and the bombing of libya. why do you think they were rebelling against gaddafi? the people of afghanistan wanted to be liberated from the taleban, as indicated by the northern alliance and sentiment after the destruction of the taleban rule. also, you people were talking about how evil assad is, how else are you going to remove him besides bombing him (which the syrian people don't want anyway, as indicated by polls and elections).
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16 View Post
    Why don't you tell the Muslim rulers to stop oppressing their people and the Americans will stop orchestrating coups.....the people of Muslim countries end up supporting these coups:
    as evidenced by Turkish history, Libyan history, Ghana's history, various African dictator's histories, etc.

    - - - Updated - - -

    also, to add on to what i said, the people of Libya supported the no fly zone over libya and the bombing of libya. why do you think they were rebelling against gaddafi? the people of afghanistan wanted to be liberated from the taleban, as indicated by the northern alliance and sentiment after the destruction of the taleban rule. also, you people were talking about how evil assad is, how else are you going to remove him besides bombing him (which the syrian people don't want anyway, as indicated by polls and elections).
    The Americans INSTALLED dictators.
    https://youtu.be/Tgydod-KRhw
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16 View Post
    Why don't you tell the Muslim rulers to stop oppressing their people and the Americans will stop orchestrating coups.....the people of Muslim countries end up supporting these coups:
    as evidenced by Turkish history, Libyan history, Ghana's history, various African dictator's histories, etc.

    - - - Updated - - -

    also, to add on to what i said, the people of Libya supported the no fly zone over libya and the bombing of libya. why do you think they were rebelling against gaddafi? the people of afghanistan wanted to be liberated from the taleban, as indicated by the northern alliance and sentiment after the destruction of the taleban rule. also, you people were talking about how evil assad is, how else are you going to remove him besides bombing him (which the syrian people don't want anyway, as indicated by polls and elections).
    Oh yes.
    You will take the quotes of 200 people whom the Media interviewed just like which happened in Egypt and present it as the view of Whole Egyptian people.
    Or you are going to take media polls as evidence.
    The same media,who proudly brought to you the truth about
    1)-Gulf War
    2)-9/11
    Question #1:
    Can you tell me who the owners of mainstream channels are?
    Moreover,again,media polls only include a few thousand people.
    The poor never get mentioned.
    Have you heard of American war crimes in Afghanistan?
    The crimes the poor have to suffer?
    How many have you heard of?
    2,3?
    Do you think those are all?
    I have quotes from experts that say the public does not support Americans.
    You are believing in what Americans show you.
    I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.
    BUT FIRST LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
    1)-DO YOU THINK THAT IN IRAQ WAR 2003,THE IRAQI PEOPLE WELCOMED THE AMERICAN INVADERS?
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    Secondly.
    You just exposed yourself.
    You said "How evil Assad is."
    Your stupidity and ignorance and is not my fault.
    This shows that you believe in Western media my friend.
    You do not care to investigate.
    If you knew me by my posts,
    Plz stop lying about me and see my posts.
    "Evil Assad" is US propoganda.
    Plz see my posts for real rather than blindly making arguments.
    But again.
    This shows that you buy the Western media.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    But answer me my question regarding Iraq war.
    Let us see who is speaking the truth.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1 View Post
    But answer me my question regarding Iraq war.
    Let us see who is speaking the truth.
    Before seeing my posts.
    Because the answer is present in my posts.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1 View Post
    BUT FIRST LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION.
    1)-DO YOU THINK THAT IN IRAQ WAR 2003,THE IRAQI PEOPLE WELCOMED THE AMERICAN INVADERS?
    Answer this question.
    Saddam Hussein created too much enemies within his own country. That's why when America invaded Iraq, many Iraqi people saw America as liberator instead of invader, and stood with American troops. This is what made Saddam Hussein could defeated so fast.

    No, no, I am not being deceived by American medias. I observed the war in Iraq on the real times, through various neutral sources. I was 35 in that time. Mature enough to know which was the truth which was propaganda. And, I was one of dozens guys who met Iraqi ambassador in masjid, when he tried to get international support for Saddam Hussein.

    What happened to Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi give us great lesson about what would happen to a ruler if he created many enemies within his own country.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    She needs to be a bit more media savvy. We all know the true meaning of jihad. They don't, but even those who do, would use the ignorance of the others to scare them. She should have picked her words better.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    Saddam Hussein created too much enemies within his own country. That's why when America invaded Iraq, many Iraqi people saw America as liberator instead of invader, and stood with American troops. This is what made Saddam Hussein could defeated so fast.

    No, no, I am not being deceived by American medias. I observed the war in Iraq on the real times, through various neutral sources. I was 35 in that time. Mature enough to know which was the truth which was propaganda. And, I was one of dozens guys who met Iraqi ambassador in masjid, when he tried to get international support for Saddam Hussein.

    What happened to Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi give us great lesson about what would happen to a ruler if he created many enemies within his own country.
    1)-GADDAFI
    So if a man does and intends to do a thing that will result in Great development and prosperity for his country and the whole African region,
    He made enemies.
    Meaning if a man made enemies by doing some good work,he is not at fault.The enemies are.
    It has been proved from the Clinton leaked emails that the Gold of Libya was a reason for them to invade Libya.
    Gaddafi intended to Use Gold for currency.This move would have resulted in great positive effect for the Africans.Can anyone deny that the Africans need help?
    So Is Gaddafi at fault or the West?
    No one has the right to another persons property and land.
    The West is at fault.
    Libya had 140 tons of Gold.
    Wherr is it now?
    No one knows.
    Secondly.
    2)-Saddam Hussain.
    Saddam Hussain was former partner in crime for USA and West.
    And you mention the world community.
    After 9/11,the world showed sympathy to USA.Including Russia.USA presented childish evidence it presented for Existence of WMDs.
    Now here is what I am going to say.
    Iraq war is a proof of Lies of USA used constantly.
    Did Saddam make enemies.
    You bet.
    But how and why?
    Was having oil a sin that resulted in making enemies?
    You see.The whole argument you made,I will debunk you by showing some real proof,real historians,real revisionists.This is my proof.So present me yours.
    https://youtu.be/gOAdrT5NSio
    https://youtu.be/SlRSgUCA3qs
    https://youtu.be/TuNALqKltNw
    https://youtu.be/8okVN3VrY1k
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    In these times as Muslims we should be a bit more skeptical about people who try to "represent" Muslims/Islam. If often notice some people say A, but take a full stop there. Saying B might be bad for their "image", although A = truth & B = truth.

    Without a doubt we live in a age of confusion that we do not know who is who and who is representing what. STICK to the Qur'an AND Sunnah no matter how charismatic somebody might look, the person that goes according to Qur'an & Sunnah is the one that is on the path. However one might start good, but down the road forget why they started doing that and rather following personal gain (money, image, materialism) in the end. In other words sell their religion for a small gain.

    If the enemies of Islam cheer for you, although you criticize another enemy of Islam, know you are doing something wrong. In one's speech one must criticize all, not just one. As we often see that. They say X is bad and anti-Islam, while Y is also bad and anti-Islam..or even anti-religion in general but often you see people having personal gain in mind do not speak out about that.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by MuhammadHamza1 View Post
    1)-GADDAFI
    So if a man does and intends to do a thing that will result in Great development and prosperity for his country and the whole African region,
    He made enemies.
    Meaning if a man made enemies by doing some good work,he is not at fault.The enemies are.
    It has been proved from the Clinton leaked emails that the Gold of Libya was a reason for them to invade Libya.
    Gaddafi intended to Use Gold for currency.This move would have resulted in great positive effect for the Africans.Can anyone deny that the Africans need help?
    So Is Gaddafi at fault or the West?
    No one has the right to another persons property and land.
    The West is at fault.
    Libya had 140 tons of Gold.
    Wherr is it now?
    No one knows.
    Secondly.
    2)-Saddam Hussain.
    Saddam Hussain was former partner in crime for USA and West.
    And you mention the world community.
    After 9/11,the world showed sympathy to USA.Including Russia.USA presented childish evidence it presented for Existence of WMDs.
    Now here is what I am going to say.
    Iraq war is a proof of Lies of USA used constantly.
    Did Saddam make enemies.
    You bet.
    But how and why?
    Was having oil a sin that resulted in making enemies?
    You see.The whole argument you made,I will debunk you by showing some real proof,real historians,real revisionists.This is my proof.So present me yours.
    https://youtu.be/gOAdrT5NSio
    https://youtu.be/SlRSgUCA3qs
    https://youtu.be/TuNALqKltNw
    https://youtu.be/8okVN3VrY1k

    It usually is always about money and power. Look at what happened with nazi Germany and Hitler, but I won't even touch on that subject.

    What's funny is people will talk bad about previous leaders but if you notice, despite them not being perfect, their countries were stable for the most part. To the people here who support the invasion of the middle east countries and the overthrow of their leaders, do you honestly believe citizens of those countries would rather live in an Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi ruled country or would they rather live in the apocalyptic hell hole they have now? The destabilization of the middle east was planned well in advance.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    I know what happened with Germany.
    I have watched Dennis Wise Documentary.
    I also understand why you are not touching that subject.It is the same with me.
    We are going to be called anti semites.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by keiv View Post
    It usually is always about money and power. Look at what happened with nazi Germany and Hitler, but I won't even touch on that subject.

    What's funny is people will talk bad about previous leaders but if you notice, despite them not being perfect, their countries were stable for the most part. To the people here who support the invasion of the middle east countries and the overthrow of their leaders, do you honestly believe citizens of those countries would rather live in an Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi ruled country or would they rather live in the apocalyptic hell hole they have now? The destabilization of the middle east was planned well in advance.
    A country that look stable outside probably unstable inside because what foreigners see is not always same as what its residents feel.

    I did not only met Iraqi ambassador, but I also declare my support for Saddam. But what happened in Iraq made me realize that Saddam had many enemies among Iraqi people themselves, due to his iron hand domestic policy. Many people thought that war in Iraq would become a great war between Iraqi army and the coalition army. But what happened?. Many of Iraqi soldier decided not to fight for Saddam. Some of them even decided to stand with coalition army.

    Bit different that what happened in Libya and Syria. But look, who were militias that fought and killed Gaddafi?. Libyan people themselves. Who are militias that fight Assad in Syria?. Syrian people themselves, plus small number of foreigners. The war in Libya and Syrian would not happen if people in these countries did not decided to fight their rulers. But what made people decide to fight their ruler?. It's better you notice on what the ruler had done to his own people, so people see him as oppressor.

    People in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, of course prefer to live in stable country rather than in battlefield. But if you ever live under a dictator, might be you would think that you have to fight the ruler, and what will happen can be thought later. I thought like this too when I decided to join in pro reformation protest to drop down president Soeharto.
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    Re: Linda Sarsour Asks Muslims To Form "Jihad" Against Trump, Not To Assimilate

    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    A country that look stable outside probably unstable inside because what foreigners see is not always same as what its residents feel.

    I did not only met Iraqi ambassador, but I also declare my support for Saddam. But what happened in Iraq made me realize that Saddam had many enemies among Iraqi people themselves, due to his iron hand domestic policy. Many people thought that war in Iraq would become a great war between Iraqi army and the coalition army. But what happened?. Many of Iraqi soldier decided not to fight for Saddam. Some of them even decided to stand with coalition army.

    Bit different that what happened in Libya and Syria. But look, who were militias that fought and killed Gaddafi?. Libyan people themselves. Who are militias that fight Assad in Syria?. Syrian people themselves, plus small number of foreigners. The war in Libya and Syrian would not happen if people in these countries did not decided to fight their rulers. But what made people decide to fight their ruler?. It's better you notice on what the ruler had done to his own people, so people see him as oppressor.

    People in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, of course prefer to live in stable country rather than in battlefield. But if you ever live under a dictator, might be you would think that you have to fight the ruler, and what will happen can be thought later. I thought like this too when I decided to join in pro reformation protest to drop down president Soeharto.
    Plz I ask you to correct your knowledge about Syrian war.
    Secondly,
    Saddam was an evil dictator,no doubt.
    He even used Chemical weopens.
    But the Americans did not invade because of humanity.
    It has been proven
    Assad is not an evil man.
    US excuse for Syrian war is also Humanity.
    "Assad is an evil man murdering his own people."
    But we know that those are lies.
    Just like Vietnam,and Afghanistan.
    They are proven.
    Saddam was not a good man.
    But USA always used the excuse of Humanity to invade other lands.
    Ask the Iraqis what they think of Americans.
    Have you heard of Abu Ghraib?
    Also,
    Two thousand to twenty thousand Western backed proxies do not represent millions of Libyans,Syrians,or Iraqis.
    Thresa May sent Libyans from Britian to Libya after brain washing them.
    It is revealed by Wikileaks.
    As for Syria,the information is available on internet.
    Look at the states of these countries now and then.
    And do not forget Afghanistan.The opium war.
    Trump in an interview before campaign did say that
    Iraq has oil.Get the oil and get out.
    Afghanistan is rich with minerals.Get the minerals and get out.
    (I forgot exact quote).
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