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    Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men
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    Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men
    The unofficial ban on women driving has been hotly contested in recent years [Getty]
    Date of publication: 21 September, 2017
    In Saudi Arabia, where women cannot drive, a senior state cleric has said women should not be allowed behind the wheel because they have "a quarter the brainpower of men". Tags: Saudi Arabia, women, driving, Islam
    Sheikh Saad al-Hajari, the head of the government's religious edict authority in the southern province of Assir, recently made the comments at a lecture on "the evils of allowing women to drive", Saudi daily Sabq reported on Wednesday.


    "It is not their fault, but women lack intellect do they not?" Hajari asked an audience.


    "Their lack of intellect does not harm their piousness because they are made that way," he said, explaining that in Islam a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's.


    "Would you give a man with half an intellect a driving licence? So how would you give one to a woman when she has half an intellect," he said.


    "And if they go out to the market this gets halved again! So they now have a quarter of an intellect," Hajari said without giving an explanation for his reasoning.


    He then argues that because women pray less than men - during menstruation women are prohibited from prayers - they also have half the "faith" of men.


    The sheikh's comments have been circulated widely by social media users in the conservative kingdom with many people harshly criticising his reasoning.

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    I must say I disagree with him. I dont see how women have less intellect than men.

    They might use their brains differently tho.

    On the praying less than men - meaning having half the faithof men is soo wrong... Women are prohibited from praying when on their period. Meaning they'd disobey Allah by praying while on their period.

    Women shouldn't be shamed for not praying when menstruating.. It is part of their nature, and since Allah forbade them from praying when menstruating, wouldn't it be disobedience to pray, and obedience not to pray in that period?

    Belittling women for not being able to pray, because Allah disallowed them, is soo wrong. Why? Because Allah SWT made that part of their nature, and forbade them when on their period. So how can one belittle someone for doing what Allah commands (to abstain from prayer when on their period)?

    Correct me if I am wrong.
    Allahu alam.
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    Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
    " Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "

    Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an
    Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    "Leaders" who make comments like this is exactly why people steer away from even LEARNING about Islam
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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    "Would you give a man with half an intellect a driving licence? So how would you give one to a woman when she has half an intellect," he said.


    "And if they go out to the market this gets halved again! So they now have a quarter of an intellect," Hajari said without giving an explanation for his reasoning.

    ...wow,

    Although..

    To be fair..

    ...I been shopping with the wife.#

    *runs away*

    This my fav at the moment.

    c6uq74e78ulz.jpg

    No.. women are not slow...

    I have to say, my wife was an accountant in a bygone era.

    This is why you should say joke.. after everytime you tell a joke.

    Alhamdulillah.

    # mashallah.

    I wouldnt talk bad about my mother.


    ...to maintain wit and keep relevant to the religion probably takes some doing, Usually takes me a week to figure out what i should have said.

    Honestly, took me 5 attempts to pass a driving test.
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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Bismillah Ir-Rehman Ir-Raheem (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

    Imagine being that cleric and believing that you've actually made a sound argument when you've just in fact made a laughingstock of yourself in front of the entire world and reinforced the image of Muslim men automatically thinking women to be second-class citizens. I feel not only dismay that today the right-wingers of the world have another reason to mock Islam but also pity for his female relatives whether they be his wife, mother, daughter, or sister.

    By the way, if there are legitimate reasons for women to not drive in Saudi Arabia due to cultural expectations or values, he should just say that instead of uttering nonsensical mathematical calculations to justify the cultural practice.

    Yes, there's a prophetic tradition that talks about intellect and women, but that scholars have explained to be in the context of generally a higher level of susceptibility to emotional persuasion and also menstruation in which women are not allowed to pray or fast for practical spiritual reasons. That said, let's remember the scholar from whom many Companions (may Allah be pleased with them) came to learn is a woman, considered in essence one of the first scholars of Islam: Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her). Maryam (a.k.a. Mary) (peace be upon her), mother of Jesus (peace be upon him), is considered one of the best and most pure person to be ever born and she had achieved grade in piety that men of today and even yesteryear cannot even imagine and will never be able to attain.

    By the way, it is entirely unnecessary to say any of the above simply for the purpose of saying that Saudi women will not or should not be allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Even in the United States, driving is considered a privilege in legal terms and not a right. Therefore, using similar reasoning, Saudi Arabia's officials or clerics can simply state that privilege is not afforded to women for safety concerns and preservation of cultural values; I would respect and value that line of reasoning more than any offer of hasty words couched in religious terms seeming to sting women's intelligence and contributions to society, especially considering Islamic history in which we learn that the first human being to accept Islam was a woman: Khadija (may Allah be pleased with her). And in Qur'an, there seems to be a great emphasis on spiritual intelligence of which I should emphasize women generally have in abundance. Even in today's times, statistically most of the converts to Islam are women, not men.



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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Salam. I completely disagree with "women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men". Because Allah (SWT) says in the holy Quran:

    O Mankind! Be wary of your Lord who created you from a single soul, and created its mate from it, and from the two of them scattered numerous men and women. Be wary of Allah, in whose Name you adjure one another and (of severing ties with) blood relations. Indeed Allah is watchful over you. [Quran:4:1]

    "Verily, women are the twin halves of men." -
    [Abu Dawood #234 , Tirmidhi #113 & others]
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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Well woman are half of men. In everything as per hadith in whixh oyr our prophet alihe asalam described..
    Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
    و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
    و قال ايضا:*اذا لم تستحي،فاصنع ما شئت*

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Quote Originally Posted by فصيح الياسين View Post
    Well woman are half of men. In everything as per hadith in whixh oyr our prophet alihe asalam described..
    It is not that women are less than man or half of man in intellect. They just use their brains differently, and thus the need for 2 female witnesses is tailored in such a way as to take into consideration their nature.

    Women have a generally higher susceptibility to emotional persuasion, as sister Search mentioned. This does not make women less, or inferior. The same way we are not inferior to women for not being able to give birth.
    Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
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    Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    It is not that women are less than man or half of man in intellect. They just use their brains differently, and thus the need for 2 female witnesses is tailored in such a way as to take into consideration their nature.

    Women have a generally higher susceptibility to emotional persuasion, as sister Search mentioned. This does not make women less, or inferior. The same way we are not inferior to women for not being able to give birth.
    I thought u have keen eye.. but differences between men and women kept u of anware wht i wrote..
    Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    قال النبي محمد صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم:*الـحياءُ شُعْبَةٌ مِنَ الاِيِمَانِ*
    و قال ايضا:*الحياء لاياتى الا بخير
    و قال ايضا:*اذا لم تستحي،فاصنع ما شئت*

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Awesome..


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...d=tmg_share_tw

    “The Ministry of Education regrets the inadvertent error,” said Ahmed al-Eissa, the Saudi education minister.-


    Quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    It is not that women are less than man or half of man in intellect. They just use their brains differently, and thus the need for 2 female witnesses is tailored in such a way as to take into consideration their nature.

    Women have a generally higher susceptibility to emotional persuasion, as sister Search mentioned. This does not make women less, or inferior. The same way we are not inferior to women for not being able to give birth.

    Agree, men and women are different.
    Last edited by M.I.A.; 09-24-2017 at 12:32 PM.

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Honestly and we wonder why people make fun of us. Maybe the dude who said this should say that a neuroscientist or an astronaut. Would he say that about Aisha RA? Dont think so somehow.

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    No, man and woman are equal. No other religion give the rights to woman at par the man...http://islamicweb.com/begin/myth1.htm
    Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Allah (swt) knows best

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    No, man and woman are equal. No other religion give the rights to woman at par the man...http://islamicweb.com/begin/myth1.htm
    Exactly

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    Re: Saudi cleric says women have 'a quarter of the intellect' of men

    Salaam

    With leadership like this who needs enemies?
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