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    Salaam

    Most interesting. Who controls the Sauds?





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    Wow its already having an effect

    Mecca imam slammed for claiming Trump 'steering world to peace'

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    We have to raise the question whether the Sauds are worthy of being the Custodians of the two holy sites.

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    Nope, the end justfies the means is not good basis of solving problems. Your solution will lead to more problems than it will solve.
    I wasn't giving any solution, just pondering about the morality of it.

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    More on the 'moderate' Islam project





    Whats at stake



    Learn from the Christian experience.



    Ah ha.




    Islam Poses the Last Legitimate Challenge to a Hegemonic Monoculture


    On Monoculture

    Thanks to globalisation, McDonald’s golden arches are more recognisable universally than state flags or centuries-old iconography. Increasingly, the world consumes the same homogenised culture, in its speech, clothing, cuisine, and media. Countries like the US have created a global brand, and boast of their reputation as a melting pot. This melting pot phenomenon, which sheds exterior differences to maintain one standardised culture, yields the monoculture. The monoculture maintains bland, but universally digestible tokens of culture, typically centred on that which the state can control and/or leverage, for maintaining the docility of the masses.

    Perhaps the largest resistance to monoculture today is religion, particularly Islam. While Judaism has rarely publicly guided the state politics of any Western nation, Christianity historically has. However, Christianity has experienced a concerted removal from the public sphere, as holidays become secularised and prayers become banal platitudes. Islam, however, has largely resisted the grip of monoculture.

    The beauty of Islam is that throughout its history, its unity has been in its lack of uniformity (the four madhahib, for example, affirm how something can be separate, but equal).As the bland monoculture of the West quickens in its exportation, contention between the West and Islam concurrently escalates. To be clear, Islam has a rich history in the West: Muslim rulers conquered lands as West as Spain and Muslims have been established communities in the US since the time of the slave trade. Regardless, Muslims have rarely been as visible and contested in the past 100 years of the West as today, appearing on the covers of major magazines, holding executive bureaucratic positions, and dominating the evening news, with the latest reports of “Islamic” terrorists.

    Rest here

    https://www.amaliah.com/post/40487/i...ic-monoculture
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    Re: US dictating Saudi religious policy

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post
    As a muslim I have never supported liberalization or secularization of any muslim country. But is it really wrong to feel happy inside to see the collapse of Saudis and their sect? If liberalization of Saudi means they will stop funding their sect, stop funding destabilizing terrorists, stop sectarian war in other countries, then it's a price well paying.

    Ideally stopping Saudis from supporting Israel, supporting USA, fudning military coups and supporting secular dictatorships is still a massive problem.

    However, it's important to remember even being secularized, UAE keeps funding terror groups in coutnries like Somalia.
    anyone who thinks that the saudi puppets are a bigger problem requiring elimination than the american, british, and israeli -usury and weapons dealing criminal masterminds - has got their priorities all £#€k&@ up.

    There is that statement about satan attempting to get the biggest crimes done, then settling up to just under neutral, then compromising up through neutral and the lesser good deeds, and stopping only at the best, and even then, tampering with the intention if possible........ depends much on circumstances and right now we need to wonder a bit about how the saddam hate and bashar hate and isis hate were used to manipulate Muslims into losing focus of the bigger enemy and slit each others throats as the enemy slowly moved in to fight Islam and Muslims as their financial and human fighter resources, and morale dwindled.


    I think it might be wiser to establish a state of Islam in our families and communities especially remote where there is less harassment by the Quraish and their puppet allies (the puppets feel stuck between a rock and a hard place), than to exhaust resources fighting for an israeli engineered destabilisation campaign.

    A question of positivity and constructive work in contrast to destabilisation and destruction for the purpose of remolding a vessel that is a little damaged in relation to others which are almost in pieces.
    do not help satan against your foolish brother - but rather work with your brother in what is good, then it'll be both of you on one side, and satan on the other.
    If you want to destabilize saudi arabia right now, you will have to resort to a nasty sectarian alliance with iran which will decimate the resources of both nations and risk making both of them failed states which are weak enough to be occupied under any stupid excuse, or you will have to accept the terms of the russian, american, amd israeli oligarchs in order to procure weapons and resources whilst enduring during sieges - whereas if you establish Islamic thinking - islam has occupied the land without a shot fired.
    It's easier to get by as a Muslim in an Islamic minded community in saudi arabia than it is in france where they try to prevent people from public prayers and try to force people to commit kufr and eat pig. Also bear in mind that It is still possible for people to stand up in saudi arabia and say "God commands such and such:...." whilst being taken seriously.
    In france the court will laugh you out the door if they don't get serious and demand a mental stability evaluation, and the common people who are products of deceitful media-conditioning will throw stuff at you even if their conniving leaders haven't already set their corrupt agency dogs and their ten-a-penny loafers and israely lobby-subsidised journalists loose to hound and ridicule you - the focus should be on establishing islam positively with circumstances in mind, whilst keeping satan and his open allies in kufr and deception - outside -to the best extent possible.

    All trustworthy records show that the Prophet only went to war after the allegiance to Allah and His messenger, Allah's rulership and the prophet's leadership and a basic chain of command structure was established which was not subject to Quraishi elder interference and inter-tribal and tribal boycott and blackmail.
    Until then - it was exclusively the bigger struggle for hearts and minds, the wars he fought for Allah s sake were to get obstacles out of the way in the struggle against satan for hearts and minds.

    Saudi arabian puppets don't fit the bill just as abdullah ibn ubayy / ibn as-salul didn't fit the bill. The prophet worked with him in good when he had to despite the fact that ibn ubayy was commanding his own army of fighters through tribal allegiance - as long as he professed allegiance to Allah and his messenger with his mouth and thereby confirmed that the word of Allah was highest even though he was a well known liar, and he refused to kill him despite umar's insistance due to the confusion and possible dissent into unnecessary bloodshed it would cause.
    If there is a strong islamic presence, the people are powerful in making demands, and they are better able to excercise that power in saudi arabia where the government must submit to the Quran in order to retain legitimacy - than in many other countries where the leaders are unafraid to sign off on and falsely attempt to legalise any unacceptable crime in Allah's sight - no matter how evil - and without fearing any dissent other than from highly opinionated and impressionable tv debates often orchestrated by "friendlies".

    The people in secular countries are given the opportunity to stand up and shout because the leaders and their financiers know that they don't know what to demand other than what is popularly perceived as good and fashionable - as the corporate media machine is their gospel according to iblees which regularly tells and untells them what is popularly perceived as good and fashionable.

    Muslims have a foundation for making demands, and they can progress better in fixing their government than in helping america and israel destroy them and their progeny from the shadows.



    Allah himself confirms the truth of their words whilst pointing them out as lowly liars and frauds in the first verses of surah al munaafiqoon, and in the high and mighty vs lowly statement later in the same surah - whilst subtly pointing out that the truth is not dependent on the words of anyone other than Allah - and it is only when He confirms it in proper context that their statements have any value, and a possible hint not to go after them for their shady checkerboard statements since satan argues and mirrors with the energy of words if he can give them the wrong meaning and get people to deceive themselves into accepting false arguments as to who is mighty and who is lowly due to the exception taken at words.

    Anyways, how many times has america attacked muslim majority lands after showing their ineffective puppets to be tyrants (with perjury and nurse nayira types) - only after those ineffective puppets refused in private to stoop too low in the demand to violate their people? Will you help them again? Is it the next twitter explosion with social media bots going into overdrive again? Or maybe a fox new article claiming that saudi arabia is forcing the pentagon and blackwater/xe to kill yemenis instead of the fact that a threat to the saudi regime was purposefully created by the american and israeli governments during the maneuvers of america, israel, saudi arabia, britan, france, and a few others, during the chaos which was being engineered in syria through senseless killings by mercenaries who worked with america in libya after arguments with israel got heated - especially over the golan heights...... ?

    If saudi arabia is a problem, it is because of american meddling and blackmailing, and kufr, therefore look to america which would be the main problem..... just as it was during iran vs iraq, iraq vs saudi and kuwait, and iraq vs america - the people had rarely any say - other than the fact that mujahideen always stood up to establish Islaam when the secularist, paid armies had fled, and the invaders were attempting to establish open kufr and robbery of resources by installing secularist, open islam hating oppressors who only want position and money for themselves, and are willing to sign any deal with any devil to rob the people over whom they hold power.

























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    Re: US dictating Saudi religious policy

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    anyone who thinks that the saudi puppets are a bigger problem requiring elimination than the american, british, and israeli -usury and weapons dealing criminal masterminds - has got their priorities all £#€k&@ up.

    There is that statement about satan attempting to get the biggest crimes done, then settling up to just under neutral, then compromising up through neutral and the lesser good deeds, and stopping only at the best, and even then, tampering with the intention if possible........ depends much on circumstances and right now we need to wonder a bit about how the saddam hate and bashar hate and isis hate were used to manipulate Muslims into losing focus of the bigger enemy and slit each others throats as the enemy slowly moved in to fight Islam and Muslims as their financial and human fighter resources, and morale dwindled.


    I think it might be wiser to establish a state of Islam in our families and communities especially remote where there is less harassment by the Quraish and their puppet allies (the puppets feel stuck between a rock and a hard place), than to exhaust resources fighting for an israeli engineered destabilisation campaign.

    A question of positivity and constructive work in contrast to destabilisation and destruction for the purpose of remolding a vessel that is a little damaged in relation to others which are almost in pieces.
    do not help satan against your foolish brother - but rather work with your brother in what is good, then it'll be both of you on one side, and satan on the other.
    If you want to destabilize saudi arabia right now, you will have to resort to a nasty sectarian alliance with iran which will decimate the resources of both nations and risk making both of them failed states which are weak enough to be occupied under any stupid excuse, or you will have to accept the terms of the russian, american, amd israeli oligarchs in order to procure weapons and resources whilst enduring during sieges - whereas if you establish Islamic thinking - islam has occupied the land without a shot fired.
    It's easier to get by as a Muslim in an Islamic minded community in saudi arabia than it is in france where they try to prevent people from public prayers and try to force people to commit kufr and eat pig. Also bear in mind that It is still possible for people to stand up in saudi arabia and say "God commands such and such:...." whilst being taken seriously.
    In france the court will laugh you out the door if they don't get serious and demand a mental stability evaluation, and the common people who are products of deceitful media-conditioning will throw stuff at you even if their conniving leaders haven't already set their corrupt agency dogs and their ten-a-penny loafers and israely lobby-subsidised journalists loose to hound and ridicule you - the focus should be on establishing islam positively with circumstances in mind, whilst keeping satan and his open allies in kufr and deception - outside -to the best extent possible.

    All trustworthy records show that the Prophet only went to war after the allegiance to Allah and His messenger, Allah's rulership and the prophet's leadership and a basic chain of command structure was established which was not subject to Quraishi elder interference and inter-tribal and tribal boycott and blackmail.
    Until then - it was exclusively the bigger struggle for hearts and minds, the wars he fought for Allah s sake were to get obstacles out of the way in the struggle against satan for hearts and minds.

    Saudi arabian puppets don't fit the bill just as abdullah ibn ubayy / ibn as-salul didn't fit the bill. The prophet worked with him in good when he had to despite the fact that ibn ubayy was commanding his own army of fighters through tribal allegiance - as long as he professed allegiance to Allah and his messenger with his mouth and thereby confirmed that the word of Allah was highest even though he was a well known liar, and he refused to kill him despite umar's insistance due to the confusion and possible dissent into unnecessary bloodshed it would cause.
    If there is a strong islamic presence, the people are powerful in making demands, and they are better able to excercise that power in saudi arabia where the government must submit to the Quran in order to retain legitimacy - than in many other countries where the leaders are unafraid to sign off on and falsely attempt to legalise any unacceptable crime in Allah's sight - no matter how evil - and without fearing any dissent other than from highly opinionated and impressionable tv debates often orchestrated by "friendlies".

    The people in secular countries are given the opportunity to stand up and shout because the leaders and their financiers know that they don't know what to demand other than what is popularly perceived as good and fashionable - as the corporate media machine is their gospel according to iblees which regularly tells and untells them what is popularly perceived as good and fashionable.

    Muslims have a foundation for making demands, and they can progress better in fixing their government than in helping america and israel destroy them and their progeny from the shadows.



    Allah himself confirms the truth of their words whilst pointing them out as lowly liars and frauds in the first verses of surah al munaafiqoon, and in the high and mighty vs lowly statement later in the same surah - whilst subtly pointing out that the truth is not dependent on the words of anyone other than Allah - and it is only when He confirms it in proper context that their statements have any value, and a possible hint not to go after them for their shady checkerboard statements since satan argues and mirrors with the energy of words if he can give them the wrong meaning and get people to deceive themselves into accepting false arguments as to who is mighty and who is lowly due to the exception taken at words.

    Anyways, how many times has america attacked muslim majority lands after showing their ineffective puppets to be tyrants (with perjury and nurse nayira types) - only after those ineffective puppets refused in private to stoop too low in the demand to violate their people? Will you help them again? Is it the next twitter explosion with social media bots going into overdrive again? Or maybe a fox new article claiming that saudi arabia is forcing the pentagon and blackwater/xe to kill yemenis instead of the fact that a threat to the saudi regime was purposefully created by the american and israeli governments during the maneuvers of america, israel, saudi arabia, britan, france, and a few others, during the chaos which was being engineered in syria through senseless killings by mercenaries who worked with america in libya after arguments with israel got heated - especially over the golan heights...... ?

    If saudi arabia is a problem, it is because of american meddling and blackmailing, and kufr, therefore look to america which would be the main problem..... just as it was during iran vs iraq, iraq vs saudi and kuwait, and iraq vs america - the people had rarely any say - other than the fact that mujahideen always stood up to establish Islaam when the secularist, paid armies had fled, and the invaders were attempting to establish open kufr and robbery of resources by installing secularist, open islam hating oppressors who only want position and money for themselves, and are willing to sign any deal with any devil to rob the people over whom they hold power.




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    KSA exists solely because of UK, they are maintained by USA, and allied with Israel. KSA monarchy gives away its resources for the sake of USA.

    Just like UAE, KSA is cancer for muslims. No different. They fund terrorist organizations like ISIS, Al-Shabab while funding coups against real islamic groups liek FSA, Muslim brotherhood, AKP, etc.

    KSA also funds mosques in Pakistan to spread extremism, terrorism. They have completely corrupted and radicalized 20-25% of Pakistan's population and have taught them a completely false and ignorant version of islam.

    And while they give big lectures on tawheed, they build buddha statue, temples, they bring McDonalds, KFC, other western companies into Makkah and are destroyign spirituality of Makkah. They have destroyed 96% of all islamic historical and heritage sites on the basis of "shirk" but have no problem opening pre-islamic heritage site in Al-Ula.

    Saudi Arabia, along with israel, Egypt, UAE, USA are the axis of evil. The day the kingdom dies, will be a day of joy. Btw all the western structures in Makkah including that satanic clock tower needs to be demolished, insha'Allah.

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    Re: US dictating Saudi religious policy

    If the ksa government is the cancer caused by the people of the "democratic" uk and maintained by the people of "democratic" america, maybe the cause needs to be the focus of attention, and we should be careful of viruses attacking the cells in the main body by pretending to be a part of the body, certain people were repeating similar stuff before iraq, before libya, and before syria, despite the fact that there were enough illegal corrupt kafir invaders in iraq to legally kill - and when certain other people stood and began to establish Islaam in their own communities after making it a point not to focus on the invaders of iraaq, they were sabotaged and most credit for actions good and bad were given to a group calling itself d.a.i.i sh in arabic and i.s.i.s (osborne's oxford magazine comes to mind) in english - regardless of the group in action and regardless of the fact that there were secularist kaafir british soldiers in syria hoisting shahadah flags and murdering people in the name of i.s.i.s
    The same people who were seeking discord before began to protest at the Islamism - thereby proving their kufr and evil intentions.

    The utilisation of the yemen crisis to discredit islam in saudi arabia by using the names of secularist puppets as unislamic targets looks more like a distraction and diversion to me than actual heartfelt sympathy for suffering human beings.

    Prudence often proves to be a useful resource.
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    The 'moderate Islam' project is proceeding apace.







    On the agenda behind it. Christain perspective but the lessons are relevant to us.

    Blurb

    Is the New Age Movement a front for a one-world religion?

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    Re: US dictating Saudi religious policy

    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    Most interesting. Who controls the Sauds?





    - - - Updated - - -

    Salaam

    Wow its already having an effect

    Mecca imam slammed for claiming Trump 'steering world to peace'

    Abdul Rahman al-Sudais claims Saudi Arabia and US are leading world to peace and security, sparking outcry on social media



    We have to raise the question whether the Sauds are worthy of being the Custodians of the two holy sites.
    The country has been been stable and safe for decades despite a chaotic and violent Middle East, so yeah, they're worthy of being custodians.

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    Salaam

    The 'moderate' Islam project continues. No doubt the Clown Princes master Trump and his best friend Jared Kushner will be pleased.

    Blurb

    A massive conference is taking place right now in Saudi Arabia – one which focuses on moving away from the past and looking towards the future.

    Saudi Arabia is on the path to change and is looking to reform the Kingdom into a modern country.

    The Muslim World League started on Monday, an international conference focusing on moderate Islam under the patronage of King Salman. It’s an idea introduced by crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and so far, all the scholars of Saudi Arabia back it.

    The event is a four-day international conference, titled “Moderation and Indications,” where dignitaries, scholars, senior officials and leading thinkers from the Muslim world have been invited.

    Scholars are already changing their stance on a number of issues. We aren’t too sure why Saudi Arabia is moving towards moderation but it does seem the idea originates from Washington.




    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000

    anyone who thinks that the saudi puppets are a bigger problem requiring elimination than the american, british, and israeli -usury and weapons dealing criminal masterminds - has got their priorities all £#€k&@ up.
    Your wrong, we all like a good conspiracy but you have to call a spade a spade. The Sauds (with honourable exceptions) sold out a long time ago. Now its clear for all to see.
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    Its was in the Metro (UK) as well.



    Not sure how reliable this source is, seems they are backtracking.

    NO “Halal Disco and Nighclub in Saudi Arabia”, it’s only a “high-end” Café by White brand of Dubai

    There are no official reports about the opening of the Halal discos or night clubs in the city of Jeddah in Saudi Arabia, however Dubai-based White brand were in talks in April to open a “high-end” Café and restaurant in Jeddah.

    The news report about the Halal nightclubs was originally written by a UK-based Muslim Brotherhood news-agency Al-Araby.co.uk, which quotes ArabianBusiness.com—but it has no mention of Halal Disco or nightclub in Saudi Arabia whatsoever.

    According to Arabian Business, CEO of Addmind Hospitality Group Tony Habre expressed that Dubai and Beirut nightclub brand White will open as a high-end café and lounge in Jeddah.

    “Speaking to Arabian Business, Tony Habre said the firm is currently in talks to open White café in the kingdom, but hasn’t signed a partnership yet,” it says.

    “We haven’t signed yet. We’re talking to some people… White café will be more high-end… with high end decoration,” Habre said to Arabian Business.

    “The Saudi market will be great, because the local community goes out a lot. You have people in the country who go out a lot,” he added.

    In the complete report, there is no mention of Halal Disco or nightclub being opened in Jeddah.

    In the mean while, a video clip allegedly showing an ongoing disco party in Jeddah has come under the vigilance of General Entertainment Authority (GEA) of Saudi Arabia.

    The ministry has ordered immediate probe and denied giving any permission to conduct disco party.



    https://millichronicle.com/2019/06/n...VWNpWKeuaeiQk8


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