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    The Reality of Rojava

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    When it comes to the various Kurdish nationalist and separatist movements, the position of the majority of Western mainstream media outlets and politicians appears to be hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Most people will be acutely and thoroughly aware of what the media peddles as “fact” about any number of crimes of displacement, dispossession and outright murder of Kurds by Arab regimes in Syria and Iraq, Turkey and, rarely, Iran.

    The picture that is oft painted is one of Arab and Turkish fascist barbarians bearing down on a defenceless, innocent people and trying their utmost to wipe them off the face of the earth. In a way, this narrative mirrors the Israeli tale of how a bastion of innocence is in danger of being defiled by hordes of savage Arabs. However, as with most things we hear and see in the mainstream media, these stories have a somewhat tenuous relationship with reality at best.

    In a nation-state obsessed era embodied first by the League of Nations and its successor United Nations that (selectively) advocates national self-determination, this narrative doubtless has its appeal. The Kurds are seen as another kind of “Other” to the Arabs, who are frequently painted as being a backward, misogynistic people whereas the Kurds emancipate their womenfolk and stand, like a kind of “noble savage,” against the base Arabised barbarians of the Islamic State (IS).

    This picture is almost always placed alongside the aforementioned crimes committed by governments under whom the Kurds live. In light of all these crimes and calamities inflicted upon the Kurds, and their “last stand” struggle against IS, what can possible be wrong with the Kurdish people banding together as one, carving out their own territory, and ruling themselves?

    As an Iraqi of mixed Arab, Kurd and Turkmen descent, this ethno-nationalist rhetoric has always baffled me. After all, if these ethnic divides were real and not part of very contemporary, very imagined communities forged from the exportation of nationalism from Europe to the Middle East, I would not exist to write this article today.

    However, what baffles me more is how Arab and Turkish crimes against Kurds are placed front and centre, without any context whatsoever of the previous coexistence and how these crimes were encouraged by the post-World War I order established by the West. Moreover, when Kurds themselves commit acts of terrorism, ethnic cleansing and sexual violence against members of other ethnic groups, they are conveniently glossed over or even justified as some kind of retaliation against the brutality of dictatorships and now IS.

    Does the terrorism of IS justify terrorism against Turks, Arabs and others? Does sexual violence against ethnic Kurdish Yazidis justify the abduction and sexual abuse of Arab women? Does the ethnic cleansing of previous governments and regimes justify the ethnic cleansing of Arabs and Turkmens from their ancestral homes and villages? Of course not, but it would be difficult to find a narrative that sharply focused being presented in most Western media sources.

    By reporting irresponsibly, and likely even in collusion with Western governments with designs and agendas on the Middle East (whether this collusion is witting or unwitting is another matter entirely), these media agencies and pundits are encouraging the perception that IS and brutal regimes in the Middle East are somehow analogous to the local Arab and Turk populations.

    This is not to make light of the crimes that racist, mostly Western-backed regimes have committed against the Kurds. The Turkish Republic has a long history of discrimination against their Kurdish ethnic minority, from banning them from using their own language to setting loose ultra-nationalist Turkish gangs such as the “Grey Wolves” who did not just kill violent terrorists, but terrorised Kurds who had nothing to do with separatist terrorists.

    In Syria, the Assad regime also has a track record of banning the various Kurdish languages from being used (another ignored fact is the lack of homogeneity amongst Kurds themselves), economically isolated them, and generally made life difficult for them.

    In Iraq, indiscriminate force was again used to silence separatists and those supporting them, which did nothing to stem extreme Kurdish nationalism but enhanced it. That said, one of Iraq’s first dictators was General Bakr Sidqi, a Kurd who seized power in 1936, and who had earlier massacred thousands of Assyrian civilians. The fact that he was both Kurdish and a mass murderer is not commonly mentioned in the West.

    In the modern day, the ongoing wars in Iraq and Syria that have now been sidelined by the media due to the concurrent war against IS have enabled Kurdish separatists to make great strides. In Iraq, as soon as the fighting against former Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s forces began, the Kurdish Peshmerga scrambled to swallow up land they claim is theirs by force under the guise of protecting it from IS.

    They forcibly annexed Kirkuk into the Kurdish-controlled region that Masoud Barzani has constantly claimed he will carve from Iraq whilst, ironically, still claiming to be “Iraqi”. When IS began attacking the Peshmerga and Yazidis, thereby drawing the United States into the conflict, the Peshmerga and Yazidi militias were praised as heroes whilst they ethnically cleansed villages such as Makhmur and Buhanaya of its Arab population and raped their women, and did not even spare the Turkmens.

    The leftist terrorists of the Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK) and its sister PYD and YPG organisations in Syria actually cut deals with the Assad regime who had brutalised the Kurds for decades rather than ally with the moderate rebels. Assad’s forces withdrew from Kurdish populated regions in exchange for Kurdish non-involvement with the Free Syrian Army and other multi-ethnic Syrian rebel groups. When IS bounded onto the scene and started attacking Ayn al-Arab (Kobane), Western news was replete with stories of the courage of Kurdish forces, yet seemingly ignored or skimmed over their atrocities against Arabs and Turkmens living in northern Syria.

    It seems that most analysts are obsessed with bashing regional governments rather than accurately reporting on the crimes of both sides, or indeed their reconciliatory actions. Although the Turkish government initiated a peace process with the Kurds that has now led to the PKK-aligned HDP to cross the 10% parliamentary threshold, the media demonises the Turks and allows the Kurdish separatists to continue to play the victim card.

    The renewed conflict between the Turkish government and the PKK is now framed as a political dispute, rather than the peace process failing due to the refusal of PKK terrorists to disarm. The problem is not isolated only to the media, as I have yet to hear a single senior Western politician condemn Kurdish acts of ethnic cleansing, rape and wanton destruction.

    Using previous atrocities and now IS as an excuse to justify or ignore Kurdish terrorism is merely adding fuel to an already raging fire and encourages distrust toward Western intentions. It also sends the frightening message that it is fine for a group to engage in terrorist activities, as long as it does not conflict with Western interests and is not related to Islamism in any way.

    In other words, ethno-nationalism is good, even if it is involved in terror, whilst Islamism is bad, even if it is moderate and peaceful like the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, and we all know what happened to them.

    - Tallha Abdulrazaq is a researcher at the University of Exeter's Strategy & Security Institute, and winner of the Al Jazeera Young Researcher Award. He blogs at thewarjournal.co.uk and tweets from @thewarjournal

    The views expressed in this article belong to the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Middle East Eye.

    A member of PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) blocks the road at Cizre, in southeast Turkey near the Syrian border on 27 December 2014 (AFP).
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    Re: The Reality of Rojava

    I agree, this thread deserves a bump.

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    Nevermind, I thought you were saying the opposite, defending the kurds. I take it back. DEFEND ROJAVA!

    Actually, I really don't know. Both the pkk ypg and turks are bad

    I didn't read th3 article I only skimmed, I take it back.

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    Re: The Reality of Rojava

    Arabs, Kurds, Turks and all other Muslims..We just need to realize that we are being played by the nonMuslims in our own homelands. We must not be that stupid...
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    The Reality of Rojava

    If you have broken a heart, what you offer is not Salah..

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    Re: The Reality of Rojava

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Arabs, Kurds, Turks and all other Muslims..We just need to realize that we are being played by the nonMuslims in our own homelands. We must not be that stupid...
    The Kurds are worse than Israel in every way imaginable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16 View Post
    Nevermind, I thought you were saying the opposite, defending the kurds. I take it back. DEFEND ROJAVA!

    Actually, I really don't know. Both the pkk ypg and turks are bad

    I didn't read th3 article I only skimmed, I take it back.
    Rojava is a racist, ethnocentric, communist pseudo-state that commits various forms of ethnic cleansing against Arabs and Turks and sectarianism even against fellow Sunnis what part of this is good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustTime View Post
    The Kurds are worse than Israel in every way imaginable

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    Rojava is a racist, ethnocentric, communist pseudo-state that commits various forms of ethnic cleansing against Arabs and Turks and sectarianism even against fellow Sunnis what part of this is good?
    did you know that some two gulenist families just drowned in the aegean sea trying to flee to greece in homemade boats, when their boats capsized? a total of 13 people died. 1 was arrested. the maden family was also drowned months earlier. the turks oppress gulenists and kurds, the kurds oppress arabs and turkmen theyre all the same......

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Arabs, Kurds, Turks and all other Muslims..We just need to realize that we are being played by the nonMuslims in our own homelands. We must not be that stupid...
    you are too one-sided: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...-greece-border

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Arabs, Kurds, Turks and all other Muslims..We just need to realize that we are being played by the nonMuslims in our own homelands. We must not be that stupid...
    by the way that link i just sent you was of gulenists fleeing persecution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa16 View Post
    did you know that some two gulenist families just drowned in the aegean sea trying to flee to greece in homemade boats, when their boats capsized? a total of 13 people died. 1 was arrested. the maden family was also drowned months earlier. the turks oppress gulenists and kurds, the kurds oppress arabs and turkmen theyre all the same......

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    you are too one-sided: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...-greece-border
    This is irrelevant to Arab men, women, and children being treated like animals by Atheistic self-centered cowards, Wallahi these "people" in Rojava are the scum of the Earth.

    Rojava is an evil force when the Quran says "And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but peace makers (reformers)."" 2:11 this who is being referred to! Are you more worried about your Sheikh? Or do you even care about the atrocities of these pigs? The Kurds are the biggest source of instability in the Middle East after the Shias. The Kurds for decade after decade have murdered, terrorized, and pillaged for the sake of their non-existent nation.

    There is no such thing as Kurdistan, Kurdistan is a myth. These people they reject Allah, they reject the Sunnah, the collaborate against their own brothers. They can't stand the sight of Arabs or Turks they hate Arabs. Wallahi when I read what these Kurds did Arabs in Northern Syria I cried knowing how the world looks on ignoring these thugs, treating them like they are perfect acting like they are the victims.

    When the war started in Syria in 2011 everyone saw the crimes of Bashar no one knew about the Kurds in fact the Kurds even fought him alongside the people of Syria. When Bashar uses his chlorine and nerve gas everyone knows it, when an Arab regime or group does something the entire world knows it. When ISIS does something the world knows it, when Erdogan orders an airstrike against these Kurds the world knows it and calls it 'genocide'.

    But when these filthy degenerate swines burn down houses and use bulldozers to raze villages and expel thousands of Arabs who have lived in those places for thousands of years to repopulate the area with Kurds the world looks on. All these scholars and intellectuals who can spend hours talking about made up stuff like 'just war' and they philosophize the most idiotic garbage in existence and condemn everyone not deemed 'civilized', they don't care when the Kurds do the worst of crimes.

    These Kurds kill innocent people for nothing more than something they made up themselves. From the Kurdish perspective its okay to be political whores and collaborate with anyone no matter how evil, wicked, or corrupt just to advance their selfish wishes. Syria witnessed this with them fighting side by side with various opposition groups mostly all Arab but when they got arms they turned their arms on the various Islamic and Nationalist Arab factions seizing territory from them and handing it over to the regime then when they got support from the regime they turned to America and when America came in, they turned to Russia and so on.

    History has shown that when they are given a knife that knife will be used for nothing more than back stabbing.

    The Battle of Kobane only showed the wicked reality in the stupidity and ignorance of the world regarding the Kurds the opposition was asking for weapons and military support since 2011 and barely got it whilst the Kurds asked for weapons in a matter of a few months and got them immediately.

    In Iraq they rebelled against every ruler since the Ottoman era and killed tens of thousands of people in the process while the only thing people seem to care about is a tiny mountain village full of Satanists called Sinjar, but no one ever talks about two whole Arab villages Ethnically Cleansed by these very same 'innocent' Satanists. When Saddam fought Iran in the 80s the Kurds allied with Communists and Shia militias led a major rebellion and killed hundreds of innocent people and when Saddam used weapons to fight them off the world went crazy. Yet the World neglects to mention regarding Saddam Hussein and the Kurds he let the Kurds have autonomy he established the Kurdish Regional Government to calm them, and he even armed Kurdish groups in Iran to defend themselves from Shias who are about as bad or maybe slightly worse.

    Saddam armed the Kurds in Iran, he gave the autonomy in Iraq and he even included Masoud Barzani on the Iraqi Revolutionary Command Council yet none of this was enough to please the rest of the 'civilized' world regarding these arrogant self-centered criminals.

    And the world in response hung Saddam who died saying "La Ila Il Allah".


    While in Syria they don't care about Bashar and his murder, in Mosul after they got what they wanted they let the Shia hordes rampage, in Raqqa they themselves did the rampaging and in Aleppo they not allowed Assad and HezbulShaytan to rape and murder they celebrated it.


    This is the face of the Kurds and Rojava

    May Allah put a curse upon them that is so great no Dua can override it and no harshness seen before can compare to it Ameen.
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