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    Salam. Lets name your examples of good Islamic leaders of our time and maybe the recent history also. Whats your justification for their goodness? What are the best things they did? That is for the political or movement leaders.

    Some of my examples are Aliya Izzet Begovic, Yasser Arafat and Dzhokhar Dudayev for the efforts they have done for the independance and formation of their Muslim nations. However I cannot see an example today..

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    Re: Good Islamic Leaders

    Recep Tayyip Erdoğan......Turkey, President
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    Re: Good Islamic Leaders

    If those leaders do not rule by the law of Allah then they are not Islamic leaders but taghut leaders. And Allah Knows Best.

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    Mubarak Hosni and Musharaff of pakistan back then I wasnt so oppressed by psychology

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    Re: Good Islamic Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    Recep Tayyip Erdoğan......Turkey, President
    I think he serves for a good purpose. Before him we did not have an example of an Islamic leader at all. After him we have an example of a bad Islamic leader. Now we know everything how a good Islamic leader must not be...

    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    If those leaders do not rule by the law of Allah then they are not Islamic leaders but taghut leaders. And Allah Knows Best.
    Basically you are right. But what if we do not have the enough authority to establish Shariah? Cannot we atleast immitate the law of Allah as much as we can? For example we know that stealing is haram and even be punishable by the cutting the hand of the thief. We can at least not steal and can prevent others from stealing. Just like that..

    Quote Originally Posted by Desert View Post
    Mubarak Hosni and Musharaff of pakistan back then I wasnt so oppressed by psychology
    Whats your justification for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    I think he serves for a good purpose. Before him we did not have an example of an Islamic leader at all. After him we have an example of a bad Islamic leader. Now we know everything how a good Islamic leader must not be... Basically you are right. But what if we do not have the enough authority to establish Shariah? Cannot we atleast immitate the law of Allah as much as we can? For example we know that stealing is haram and even be punishable by the cutting the hand of the thief. We can at least not steal and can prevent others from stealing. Just like that.. Whats your justification for them?
    I like his raising voice for Rohingya Muslims.
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    Salaam

    Quote Originally Posted by Desert View Post
    Mubarak Hosni and Musharaff of pakistan back then I wasnt so oppressed by psychology
    Thats an odd choice, whats so good about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Basically you are right. But what if we do not have the enough authority to establish Shariah? Cannot we atleast immitate the law of Allah as much as we can? For example we know that stealing is haram and even be punishable by the cutting the hand of the thief. We can at least not steal and can prevent others from stealing. Just like that..
    We are talking about leaders of a nation. So why would they not have the authority to implement the Shariah? These leaders are going to be questioned about this and they bear a heavy responsibility on the Day of Judgement.

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    Re: Good Islamic Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    We are talking about leaders of a nation. So why would they not have the authority to implement the Shariah? These leaders are going to be questioned about this and they bear a heavy responsibility on the Day of Judgement.
    Are you aware of the amount of resources it takes to change at least one part of a system of an entire city let alone the whole country? its much easier said than done, and we should pardon those who cant make these monumental changes in an instant, but i do agree that we should at least witness a slight change or small efforts in the direction of islam. I just want to point out that its not as easy as one might think. So dont be hasty in throwing judgement on them when you are probably not aware of the full picture and the whole processes of going through with such change.

    I pray that all guide our leaders to the better of the umma and for themselves in this dunya and akira as well.

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    Re: Good Islamic Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Basically you are right. But what if we do not have the enough authority to establish Shariah? Cannot we atleast immitate the law of Allah as much as we can? For example we know that stealing is haram and even be punishable by the cutting the hand of the thief. We can at least not steal and can prevent others from stealing. Just like that..
    Honestly, I wonder why people always come up with punishment in sharia law. Sharia means much more than cutting hands and stoning people. By the way: It's almost impossible that all conditions are met to stone someone to death because of adultery.

    I would be very glad, when those Islamic leaders we have with all their goods and bads, would be able to guarantee Muslims in the first place to practice their religion in freedom, without any fear and struggle. Nevertheless, before that, we need stability in Islamic countries. In the first place Syria and Irak; when the leaders could manage that, and help our brothers and sisters stop suffering over there, a huge step to sharia would be taken, I guess. But what I see is, we didn't understood the basics and try to adapt things that are irrelevant in the first place. Like someone who has no home but orders furniture. And in the long term, furniture is not important at all, even when you build your home. It's a think of respect and mercifulness. Just look at the people in non-Muslim countries they convert to Islam, even there are this attacks "in the name of Islam". Just imagine Muslims would not be in the newspapers because of these negative stuff, but because of stories of rahma, just imagine how many people would convert to Islam than, but I am deviating from the topic, sorry. :-)

    wa Allahu Alem.

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    Re: Good Islamic Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    We are talking about leaders of a nation. So why would they not have the authority to implement the Shariah? These leaders are going to be questioned about this and they bear a heavy responsibility on the Day of Judgement.

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    Charisma, true. The leaders are only a mirror of what the people are like. If they are just then their leaders are just. If they are corrupt then their leaders will be so. Some Muslims don't want to be governed by the Law of Allah.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB5n...ndex=24&t=173s

    Ibn Al-Qayyim: Oppressive Rulers are a Manifestation of the actions of people | Dr. Raslan - YouTube
    شيخ الإسلام الثاني الإمام إبن القيم رحمة الله: الولاة من جنس أعمال العباد | للعلامة الدكتور محمد سعيد رسلان حفظه الله مترجم للانجليزية Oppressive Kings, Lead......
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    Re: Good Islamic Leaders

    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    We are talking about leaders of a nation. So why would they not have the authority to implement the Shariah? These leaders are going to be questioned about this and they bear a heavy responsibility on the Day of Judgement.
    There are basically two ways, as far as I am concerned:
    1. Brutality
    2. Politically

    We have seen what the first option caused in the near east. Nothing, just refugees and miserable. In a country with a true shariaa people wouldn't flee. The end of this is just chaos. When we come to the second option, it's difficult either. How do you imagine that? To change a political system you need the majority of the society, and I am not talking about 50-60 per cent. Have you ever heard something about regime changes? When a leader tries to implement a law that is against the imperialist, they will do everything to replace that leader. It's has been proven in recent history that this happens.

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    Re: Good Islamic Leaders

    Salaam

    Heres a candidate Bro Malcolm X.



    Last edited by Junon; 02-15-2018 at 11:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    Heres a candidate Bro Malcolm X.

    Lets not call him by his name when he believed in the kufr of the Nation of Islam. He died, Malik Shabazz, may Allah have mercy upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misbah-Abd View Post
    Lets not call him by his name when he believed in the kufr of the Nation of Islam. He died, Malik Shabazz, may Allah have mercy upon him.
    Be Honest, you're waiting for a Umar ibn al-Khattab II, aren't you? And even he has made mistakes (generally speaking).
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    Quote Originally Posted by new2010 View Post
    Be Honest, you're waiting for a Umar ibn al-Khattab II, aren't you? And even he has made mistakes (generally speaking).
    We all make mistakes. If we are believers and not deviant, we refrain from speaking about the Sahaba in anything but the best way out of respect for the best generation that was ever raised up from mankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    Heres a candidate Bro Malcolm X.



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    Quote Originally Posted by new2010 View Post
    Be Honest, you're waiting for a Umar ibn al-Khattab II, aren't you? And even he has made mistakes (generally speaking).
    What you are saying about hazrat Umar RA is reprehensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    What you are saying about hazrat Umar RA is reprehensible.
    Just to clarify that: I am not saying that! I say people who are not like Umar radiAllahu anhum are reprehensible, who are not able to take critique and criticises themselves...

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