× Register Login What's New! Contact us
Results 1 to 13 of 13
  1. #1
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Report bad ads?

    Salaam

    This is troubling. Is American society fracturing beyond what is sustainable?

    It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Divorce is hard, but it’s easier than cutting the brake lines on your wife’s car. It is long past time for an amicable divorce of the United States of America. There is simply no common ground with the Left anymore. We are now the couple screaming at each other all night, every night as the kids hide in their room.

    We cannot come together, but we do not have to live like this. The history of the world is nations breaking up and redrawing their borders. If we want to avoid this political divide turning into a deadly one, we should do likewise.

    Stop clinging to the past and acknowledge where we are as a country, not where you want us to be, not where things were when your grandpa was storming the beaches of Normandy. Where we truly are.

    We are a nation hopelessly divided. We are more divided now than we have ever been in our history. And before you start screaming at me about the Civil War, keep in mind that bloody conflict was fought over one major issue. In those days, take ten families from New York and ten families from Alabama, put them all in a room, and you’d find they mostly had the same values (and bad accents).

    Now, fast-forward to today and do that same thing. Those families have virtually nothing in common. We as a nation have polarized and separated from each other.

    Anyone who thinks this is a radical idea has an extremely narrow view of history. If you don’t believe me, go try to book a plane ticket to Czechoslovakia, or look at a map of Europe from the year 1600, then look at one today. See any differences? Borders move. Countries split and change hands. They do this for a myriad of reasons. Ours would be a major cultural shift toward the left and half the country refusing to go along with tyranny.

    The rest here

    http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/10/...get-dangerous/
    Last edited by Junon; 04-18-2018 at 08:09 PM.

  2. Report bad ads?
  3. #2
    Futuwwa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Finland
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,244
    Threads
    10
    Reputation
    5711
    Rep Power
    51
    Likes (Given)
    27
    Likes (Received)
    584

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    There's one major problem with such a proposal though: There is no way to draw the border without leaving large minorities of the other side on both sides of the border. That's because, even if the divide is usually presented as one between blue states and red states, that's a deceptive one. The real divide is between liberal urban populations and conservative rural populations. Looking at voting results county by county, rather than state by state, shows this.
    2 | Likes Junon, czgibson liked this post

  4. #3
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    This is related.

    Blurb

    WotW examines an extraordinary article about the loss of Western identity and culture. Is it too late to turn things round?


  5. #4
    happymuslim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Gender
    Female
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    119
    Threads
    15
    Reputation
    259
    Rep Power
    15
    Likes (Given)
    210
    Likes (Received)
    51

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Im gen z and i don't feel a sense of culture in me either It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

  6. Report bad ads?
  7. #5
    Abz2000's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Around the bend from Venus - Just before Mars
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    5,062
    Threads
    143
    Reputation
    45054
    Rep Power
    76
    Likes (Given)
    3700
    Likes (Received)
    2780

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Culture is a weird yet descriptive term, when i think of it - i think of yoghurt, yeast, the rothschilds, the economist, the economists "obituary of God" - and wonder if running the show through deception and usury got a bit intoxicating.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist

    https://www.economist.com/obituary/1999/12/23/god

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-But-they.html

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...lish/inculcate

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Isis_Magazine



    Then i also think of the positive and truthful culture based on Justice in God's sight inculcated and established with much personal sacrifice by the Messenger of Allah and the companions in alMadinah - with the assistance of Allah

    Culture is quite a rich term which needs pondering on when looking at society and raising children.
    Last edited by Abz2000; 08-21-2018 at 08:31 AM.
    It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous













  8. #6
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    Another update

    The United States of Empire

    We’re getting close to the end now. Can you feel it? I do. It’s in the news, on the streets, and in your face every day. You can’t tune it out anymore, even if you wanted to.

    Where once there was civil debate in the court of public opinion, we now have censorship, monopoly, screaming, insults, demonization, and, finally, the use of force to silence the opposition. There is no turning back now. The political extremes are going to war, and you will be dragged into it even if you consider yourself apolitical.

    There are great pivot points in history, and we’ve arrived at one. The United States, ruptured by a thousand grievance groups, torn by shadowy agencies drunk on a gross excess of power, robbed blind by oligarchs and their treasonous henchmen and decimated by frivolous wars of choice, has finally come to a point where the end begins in earnest. The center isn’t holding… indeed, finding a center is no longer even conceivable. We are the schizophrenic nation, bound by no societal norms, constrained by no religion, with no shared sense of history, myth, language, art, philosophy, music, or culture, rushing toward an uncertain future fueled by nothing more than easy money, hubris, and sheer momentum.

    There comes a time when hard choices must be made…when it is no longer possible to remain aloof or amused, because the barbarians have arrived at the gate. Indeed, they are here now, and they often look a whole lot like deracinated, conflicted, yet bellicose fellow Americans, certain of only one thing, and that is that they possess “rights”, even though they could scarcely form an intelligible sentence explaining exactly what those rights secure or how they came into being. But that isn’t necessary, from their point of view, you see. All they need is a “voice” and membership in an approved victim class to enrich themselves at someone else’s expense. If you are thinking to yourself right now that this does not describe you, then guess what? The joke’s on you, and you are going to be expected to pay the bill…that “someone else” is you.

    In reality, though, who can blame the minions, when the elites have their hand in the till as well? In fact, they are even more hostile to reasoned discourse than Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, or Antifa. Witness the complete meltdown of the privileged classes when President Trump mildly suggested that perhaps our “intelligence community” isn’t to be trusted, which is after all a fairly sober assessment when one considers the track record of the CIA, FBI, NSA, BATF, and the other assorted Stasi agencies. Burning cop cars or bum-rushing the odd Trump supporter seems kind of tame in comparison to the weeping and gnashing of teeth when that hoary old MIC “intelligence” vampire was dragged screaming into the light. Yet Trump did not drive a stake into its heart, nor at this point likely can anyone…and that is exactly the point. We are now Thelma and Louise writ large. We are on cruise control, happily speeding towards the cliff, and few seem to notice that our not so distant future involves bankruptcy, totalitarianism, and/or nuclear annihilation. Even though most of us couldn’t identify the band, we nonetheless surely live the lyrics of the Grass Roots: “Live for today, and don’t worry about tomorrow.”

    The “Defense” Department, “Homeland” Security, big pharma, big oil, big education, civil rights groups, blacks, Indians, Jews, the Deep State, government workers, labor unions, Neocons, Populists, fundamentalist Christians, atheists, pro life and pro death advocates, environmentalists, lawyers, homosexuals, women, Millenials, Baby Boomers, blue collar/white collar, illegal aliens…the list goes on and on, but the point is that the conflicting agendas of these disparate groups have been irreconcilable for some time. The difference today is that we are de facto at war with each other, and whether it is a war of words or of actual combat doesn’t matter at the moment. What matters is that we no longer communicate, and when that happens it is easy to demonize the other side. Violence is never far behind ignorance.

    https://lesstraveledroad.com/2018/08/01/the-united-states-of-empire/

  9. #7
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    Like to share.

    Comparison between the decline of the American Empire and the Roman Empire.





    Last edited by Junon; 11-07-2018 at 09:28 PM.

  10. #8
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    Another update



    I am not even remotely a Trump supporter, but I do think that he has managed to expose the spectrum of Western political morbidity, both left and right. Trump is the ultimate post-political icon – the symptom as well as the disease.

    For the last four decades, the West has been subjected to an intense cultural and social revolution. The cause of “social justice” has made some fundamental changes in Western society. Elementary rights, such as the freedom to think openly, have been eradicated and replaced by a strict regime of correctness. In retrospect, it was reasonable to believe that there was little significant resistance to these social justice heroes. During that time it seemed that their agenda had prevailed. Just five years ago it looked as if the tyranny of correctness was here to stay. But then, unexpectedly, the tide changed.

    First the Scottish referendum told us know that every other Scot wanted to separate from the United Kingdom. Soon afterwards, half of the British people voted to split from the European Union, and then, totally unexpectedly, Trump won the presidential election.

    It was Trump’s victory that really brought the identity war to the fore. For whatever reason, it was Trump and his combative rhetoric that most clearly exposed the demarcation line that divides the West.

    America, like the rest of the West, is split into identitarians and nationalists. Identitarians identify politically with their symptoms. These symptoms may be ethnic or cultural but most often are biological (skin colour, sexual orientation, gender, race, etc.). Nationalists, on the other hand, are people who identify politically with a piece of geography that is defined by their national borders.

    Nationalists are not necessarily right-wing. As I explore in my recent book, Being in Time – A Post Political Manifesto, Trump’s nationalist populism shares some characteristics with left icons such as Bernie Sanders and the populism of British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn. These politicians resist divisive Identitarian ideologies. Steve Bannon, the bete noir of liberal America, explored this idea in a recent televised debate: “It is not a question whether populism is on the rise… the only question before us is whether it is going to be populist nationalism or populist socialism…”

    Populism is back everywhere, which raises the question of whether Trump is, in fact, a populist. Does he actually care for the people or about the people? I do not see any clear evidence of that. Trump behaves as an oligarch, bonded with international oligarchy. Trump is popular, but popularity and populism are distinct concepts. The former refers to being loved by the people, the latter is someone who cares for the people. Liberals and progressives who castigate Trump as a fascist should understand that while fascism is defined as a national socialist endeavour, Trump is more a national capitalist. He is popular because he successfully delivers a populist message.

    After the mid-term congressional elections morning there is a new political situation. Trump is not going to “save America”. Even if he once believed that he could do so, the window for such a manoeuvre has closed. It is unlikely that Trump will be able to make significant changes. The Democratic House of Representatives will likely reject his initiatives. Despite this, Trump’s presence in the White House has revealed the conflict that shatters the West. The old political battle between left and right has been replaced by post-political identitarian wars. World War III is not going to be fought between countries or across borders. It will be a war that splits states, societies and even families apart.

    While Trump’s promise to “make America great” carried little substance, the red portion of the map of America shows a clear divide. As you move away from America’s coasts, a lot of people do not want what the liberals are offering. They want work, secure borders, education and health services. They want America to be great for real. They want justice and equality. They may or may not be bothered by uncertain or unconventional genders; they are far more concerned with being able to get a decent job.

    Whether anyone within the Democratic or the Republican Party truly understands this longing is an open question. But I have no doubt that the thirst for a radical change is going to bring more populist politics to America and beyond.

    https://www.redressonline.com/2018/11/divide-and-conquer-nationalism-identity-politics-and-western-political-morbidity/

  11. #9
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    Like to share, thought provoking.


  12. Report bad ads?
  13. #10
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    Another thought provoking discussion.

    Blurb

    We probably only scratch the surface here on all of the issues surrounding race, identity, and multiculturalism, which currently divide the alt-right from the rest of the right. Important issues if we hope to avoid a race war...


  14. #11
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    Like to share, this is a nuanced take on the state of American scoiety and politics. Impressive.

    Last edited by Junon; 1 Week Ago at 09:56 AM.

  15. #12
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    Another update. US military in decline? Or maybe the rise of other powers. This talk takes the long view.

    Last edited by Junon; 1 Week Ago at 03:53 AM.

  16. #13
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,660
    Threads
    294
    Reputation
    5697
    Rep Power
    61
    Likes (Given)
    337
    Likes (Received)
    445

    Re: It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous

    Salaam

    More comment and analysis on USAs internal problems. A rather grim prognosis.



    Two different views on the border wall.

    A liberal perspective.



    A right wing/nationalist viewpoint



    On the widening divide.

    Last edited by Junon; 3 Days Ago at 09:48 AM.

  17. Hide

Hey there! It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, we remember exactly what you've read, so you always come right back where you left off. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and share your thoughts. It’s Time For The United States To Divorce Before Things Get Dangerous
Sign Up

Similar Threads

  1. The Map Of UNITED STATES OF ISLAM!!!
    By Dr.Trax in forum Islamic Multimedia
    Replies: 208
    Last Post: 06-08-2008, 05:06 PM
  2. I need help regarding United States
    By drilonjaha in forum Advice & Support
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 01-25-2008, 08:47 PM
  3. What if the United States won the Iraq War?
    By Dahir in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 29
    Last Post: 11-08-2006, 01:56 PM
  4. The United States of Israel!
    By R_Mujahed in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-29-2006, 06:45 PM
  5. The United States of the World????
    By abdul Majid in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 03-07-2006, 02:23 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
create