Or should I have asked: What's wrong with Muslims? or What's wrong with people living in Muslim Countries?
Let me explain.
I've been reading a lot of Islamic culture and history and things don't add up.Islam is a religion that also provides a set of rules on how to live your entire life. Everything is instructed by god (Allah) and your prophet so you should have the perfect instructions on how to succeed, live in harmony and peacefully.
Instead, I cannot find a single fully developed Muslim country in the world. Why?
The more I read about specific countries the more I start to discover all the problems that affect them.
Some common culprits are: Intolerance with other religions or cultures (hate, dislike, confrontations, wars). Underdevelopment (poverty is usually very high on most Muslim countries) Peace is not the best quality of most Muslim countries (confrontations with other Muslims as well as with others)
Can anyone explain it to me?
Money and resources are not the only problem since Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Turkey and others seem to have the resources but somehow cannot fully develop.
I'd like to see how a perfect and peaceful (secure and tolerant) Muslim Country would look like.
Qatar specifically, it is entirely capable of decently housing every single one of those migrant workers. Qatar not doing so has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with choice not to do so
Exactly my point, Qatar has the capability to be a First World Country but prefers to stay a Third World Country by not sharing the money collected from the oil business. 60 % of the population are poor and live in miserable conditions. That's the fact.
It's not how much money the king has, it's how much money every single person have.
Exactly my point, Qatar has the capability to be a First World Country but prefers to stay a Third World Country by not sharing the money collected from the oil business. 60 % of the population are poor and live in miserable conditions. That's the fact.
It's not how much money the king has, it's how much money every single person have.
If that's your primary standard of measure - go look at the nat rothschild's one hunded million pound (that's one million pounds - one hindred times -in case you're confused) planet nine superyacht and consider the fact that it only came out that he owns it due to the dispute over it which required that the owner of the front be named - then consider the fact that the majority of common people in england are more in debt than the migrant workers in Qatar who you mention as an example.
Also, the fact that the rulerships in the middle east are held at loggerheads with their people via degenerate secularist manipulation in the name of false "democratic reforms", "women's liberation" (debasement to hookers) and "progressive policies" which are attempts to legalize adultery, fornication, sodomy, with the main aim of promoting these being creation of apathy towards looting via usury), exacerbates the issue since they usually end up paying protection money to secularist leaders just to stay in power - with a resulting huge gulf created between a hostile leadership and hostile people - whilst certain criminal Godless corrupters float fears with mirages such as "terrorism", "islamic extremism", "anti-westernism" when those in the know see clearly that the degenerate secularist usurers are behind all the chaos.
Libya is a perfect example of how NATO allies used people in the name of democracy, Islam, secularism, banking, oil etc to foment chaos before declaring it a failed state - when in actuality, Gaddafi was moving closer to Islam by the day and was looking out for the financial well-being of the people with the resources of the nation.
Usurer banking puppet Sarkozy's claim that Libya was a "threat to the financial security of mankind" simply because it was ditching the fiat dollar and establishing the gold dinar - was a lie, rather, the gold dinar would have elevated humankind and slowly released them from the shackles of usury.
According to a Russian article titled 'Bombing of Libya – Punishment for Gaddafi for His Attempt to Refuse US Dollar', Gaddafi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gaddafi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency. During the past year, the idea was approved by many Arab countries and most African countries. The only opponents were the Republic of South Africa and the head of the League of Arab States. The initiative was viewed negatively by the US and the European Union, with French President Nicolas Sarkozy calling Libya a threat to the financial security of mankind; but Gaddafi was not swayed and continued his push for the creation of a united Africa. […] If the Gaddafi government goes down, it will be interesting to watch whether the new central bank [created by the rebels in March] joins the BIS, whether the nationalised oil industry gets sold off to investors, and whether education and healthcare continue to be free."
consider the fact that the majority of common people in england are more in debt than the migrant workers in Qatar who you mention as an example.
You really think that's a fair comparison ?
The common people in England who are in debt still enjoy a more than decent standard of living and are free to walk around.
The migrants in Qatar are modern day slaves who have their passports taken when they arrive and are forced to work for very low wages and it would take years just to repay the airplane ticket and other expenses they were given to lure them into this evil trap.
Point 1: No, Qatar doesn't qualify as a developed country (first world country)
Point 2: No, Qatar doesn't qualify as a perfect Muslim country either which is what we're looking for here.
They don't even implement full Islamic laws.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
Excuse my ignorance but can someone list the countries that were trying to implement Islam fully and were invaded ?
Some were criminally invaded and others were economically and politically sabotaged under various false pretexts when their leaders attempted to implement Islamic advancement, or when the people attempted to attempt islamic advancement and the leaders assisted or allowed them.
You don't want to provide names, fine, then I'll assume you're talking about Afghanistan and Iraq to begin with.
The reason I asked was because these countries apparently had the rare quality that they implemented full Islamic Laws.
We're looking for the perfect Muslim Country, I'd like to see how the perfect Muslim Country looks like.
Was Afghanistan and the Taliban the perfect Muslim Country before the invasion ?
Is that what you would use as a model for all Muslim Countries around the world ?
Was Iraq the perfect Muslim Country before the invasion ?
Were any of those other countries that you didn't provide the names the perfect Muslim Country ?
You tell me.
You really think that's a fair comparison ?
The common people in England who are in debt still enjoy a more than decent standard of living and are free to walk around.
The migrants in Qatar are modern day slaves who have their passports taken when they arrive and are forced to work for very low wages and it would take years just to repay the airplane ticket and other expenses they were given to lure them into this evil trap.
Point 1: No, Qatar doesn't qualify as a developed country (first world country)
Point 2: No, Qatar doesn't qualify as a perfect Muslim country either which is what we're looking for here.
They don't even implement full Islamic laws.
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You don't want to provide names, fine, then I'll assume you're talking about Afghanistan and Iraq to begin with.
The reason I asked was because these countries apparently had the rare quality that they implemented full Islamic Laws.
We're looking for the perfect Muslim Country, I'd like to see how the perfect Muslim Country looks like.
Was Afghanistan and the Taliban the perfect Muslim Country before the invasion ?
Is that what you would use as a model for all Muslim Countries around the world ?
Was Iraq the perfect Muslim Country before the invasion ?
Were any of those other countries that you didn't provide the names the perfect Muslim Country ?
You tell me.
Read a book to learn how a perfect Muslim country looked like. Don't expect now when Jews and USA and Britain are interfering with our lives and controlling us like bunch of little puppets.
Because they are not the Qatari citizents. The citizents enjoy the life and the standards of those imigrant workers in Qatar is even better than their standards in their home countries so they prefer it. This makes Qatar a high level capitalist and un-Islamic country but still comparable to the west. In the EU countries like England they treat non EU citizents with similar standards. You have to work like a slave inorder to have a proper life there. Thats because of capitalist mentality and totally un-Islamic
Because they are not the Qatari citizents. The citizents enjoy the life and the standards of those imigrant workers in Qatar is even better than their standards in their home countries so they prefer it. This makes Qatar a high level capitalist and un-Islamic country but still comparable to the west. In the EU countries like England they treat non EU citizents with similar standards. You have to work like a slave inorder to have a proper life there. Thats because of capitalist mentality and totally un-Islamic
Exactly. You always have to ask yourself this question. If you living standard is great, great education, etc...you need to look at the making of over whose expense and shoulders and pain are you getting these benefits? Also you have to ask yourself...how such "paradise" life style turning the citizen that lives in it? Are they becoming soft? Are they becoming narcissistic? Are they becoming arrogant? Are they becoming ignorant in the world around them? If I am living in paradise place and enjoying my life and my neighboring country are starving to death, getting killed and destroyed and I do not know it, see it, or view it in media and somehow my beautiful life style is the reason why they are suffering because I am taking away their resources then I look down at them because I am first world country and I say to these people who I caused suffering you are barbarian...join us.....assimilate....uh...you can see where this is headed.
When the time comes where Muslims will unit to fight...I will join that fight. I do not want to sit in my cozy room...and suckle on my thump while everyone else is fighting for the cause of Allah..
Exactly my point, Qatar has the capability to be a First World Country but prefers to stay a Third World Country by not sharing the money collected from the oil business. 60 % of the population are poor and live in miserable conditions. That's the fact.
It's not how much money the king has, it's how much money every single person have.
It's not a fact, I've lived there for 4.5 years and it's living conditions are just as good as most Western countries. In fact, in many ways it's even better, e.g far lower crime rate, no wild animals, no taxes, etc. It even has one of the highest GDP per capita's in the world.
Most of their population is not poor. You are referring to the workers, they are not a majority and even if they were, the conditions they live in are far better than what they'd get in their home countries (hence why they come to places like Qatar in the first place).
Get out of your echo chamber and try to experience things first hand rather than relying on whatever crap you currently use.
It's not a fact, I've lived there for 4.5 years and it's living conditions are just as good as most Western countries. In fact, in many ways it's even better, e.g far lower crime rate, no wild animals, no taxes, etc. It even has one of the highest GDP per capita's in the world.
Most of their population is not poor. You are referring to the workers, they are not a majority and even if they were, the conditions they live in are far better than what they'd get in their home countries (hence why they come to places like Qatar in the first place).
Get out of your echo chamber and try to experience things first hand rather than relying on whatever crap you currently use.
Hehe...one factor of lower crime in any Muslim countries..."fathers". Do not deny the importance of fathers or diminish his importance and role. Because in America they finally appreciate the value of fatherhood in families because they the 1st world county are a fatherless America. They have the highest crime rate, suicide, school drop out, and suffering and they refuse to admit the importance of fathers. IMPOSSIBLE! Fathers important? NO! I refuse it! - hits fist on the table - We need men? NO! NO NO! NO! That is wrong! That is unnatural! That is abhorrent! How can it be? Men have a purpose? - grabs a bag and vomits in it - Damn! I feel sick! We must work in an all female society at all cost! Go! Go! Go! Go! Go single mothers! Go empowering of women! Women can do it all! They don't need men! Children don't need fathers!
Ahah that is the mantra in USA. Just turn on the TV and observe the man bashing day in and day out....Muslim countries on the other hand on TV they put shows over shows here women on the TV stations (wearing hijab) read articles and articles of importance of fathers...why? So people who question men's role and fatherhood role are actually taught in TV stations to avoid ..."America Family LifeStyle" because Islam put so much importance to family to that point that Allah promised any person who changes their last name (lineage) is guaranteed hellfire and ahadith talks about father's importance that if a man deny his father he is put under the same umbrella as "disbelieve". I honestly do not want the kuffar's lifestyle and look out of life. They can have their paradise of this world. I want the afterlife not this world.
Click on the view youtube link to view it on youtube. There is no music, pornography or showing female body parts. It is two men talking together with an interview! (I missed going to Muslim countries where in TVs you only view men and not having forced down your throat to see sexual bodies of women, and women without hijab and showing her body!) I am so happy I have no TV in my home in Canada. I HAVE NOT watched TV for over 15 years and I am the happiest man on Earth.
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Exactly my point, Qatar has the capability to be a First World Country but prefers to stay a Third World Country by not sharing the money collected from the oil business. 60 % of the population are poor and live in miserable conditions. That's the fact.
It's not how much money the king has, it's how much money every single person have.
List of First World Countries
A highly developed country is referred to as a first world country. Here is a list of countries in 1st world with respect to their scores and GDP....
How does that answer anything I said in my last post? That's just restating the original assertion, as yet another just-so statement without substantiation, in slightly different words. Nor does that article you link to even pretend that its list and criteria is anything but their own personal opinion on what should count as developed.
I bet that in twenty years, Qatar will be housing and otherwise treating its migrant workers decently, but you and people who make such scoring systems still not recognize it as "fully developed" because the goalposts have moved and will include something else, like gay rights.
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format_quote Originally Posted by nosmarter
I'm not meaning to argue, Futuwwa, but this part I don't understand - and it's not the first time I've heard this. Between the Quran,the Hadiths, and the compilation of Sharia rulings in "The Reliance of the Traveller", it looked to me that there is no mistaking that killing people for adultery, blasphemy, apostasy, and even witchcraft is justified by scripture. As appalling as cutting the heads of of people on TV by ISIS was, their actions seem to draw from verses in the Quran directly if read literally. And let's not even get started with the captured sex slaves.
Are you suggesting that these things are not okayed by scripture, or are you saying that they should be interpreted without taking them quite so literally?
What you call "these things" is a grab bag of unrelated matters, why do you think one single answer applies to all? It depends from case to case. As I said, we are literalists. We don't believe a literalist position leads to the same conclusions that ISIS do, in most of what they do at least. So no, not okayed by scripture, for the most part. If you don't see how one could come to different conclusions from the scriptures than what ISIS does, then perhaps you should acquaint yourself with what classical or contemporary Islamic scholarship has to say on the matters. We can help, if you are willing to learn.
For that matter, Reliance of the Traveller has no kind of canonical standing whatsoever. It's just a work of legal-religious scholarship, from one of the four Sunni schools of jurisprudence.
You really think that's a fair comparison ?
The common people in England who are in debt still enjoy a more than decent standard of living and are free to walk around.
That is a fair comparison in terms of the rich poor divide you made, the variable in the situation is that the people in england built the infrastructures from which they get an advantage on the loot that came from the citizens of the british colonial common-wealth countries who go as migrant workers to countries such as Qatar.
(the irony of the term commonwealth is stark - especially seeing that Bangladesh was meant to have become "independent" from it's "common-wealth" mother in 1971 - indicating the remnants of vested corporate interest including pre-post-colonial (?!) corporate ownership of prime production land scattered all over the place which are still "owned" by the descendents of the same corporate colonial land grabbers).
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
The migrants in Qatar are modern day slaves who have their passports taken when they arrive and are forced to work for very low wages and it would take years just to repay the airplane ticket and other expenses they were given to lure them into this evil trap.
What you appear/pretend to fail to realise is the fact that the Qatari government did not colonize and loot these people and does not hold them in perpetual interest debt shackles - it is the bankers at EC1 and EC2.
The Qatari government simply offers jobs to people which is more of a solution than a problem - in contrast to what the jewish bankers have been doing and do.
To blame the Qatari government for offering low paid jobs to people who are forced to migrate by conditions created and currently being perpetrated by corrupt jewish money changers with whom the Qatari government do not partner - is a lame attempt at shifting the liability for crime onto the innocent and a lame attempt at obfuscating the issue.
The lands from where the majority of these people come are very rich, in terms of flora and fauna, and diamonds and gold.
A sincere apology, reimbursement, and most importantly the cancellation of the demand for usury on loans that the people of those post colonial countries have no liability for is what is required from the money worshipping pirate invaders.
Point 1: No, Qatar doesn't qualify as a developed country (first world country)
In your criminal capitalist usurious money worshippimg sight, would i qualify as a developed person if i unlawfully invaded your land, raped your women, robbed your resources, ripped out your intestines, killed your children, and fed them to my pet animal, then left you in perpetual usurious debt whilst building a fine home with plump servants, well enforced household rules, and nice vehicles?
In Allah's sight it is the same rules for everyone under the rule of law regardless of geographical nationality.
Once a nation accepts the truth they become brethren in faith...unlike with racist nationalists and especially unlike jews who think that all non-jewish born people (goyim) are animals regardless of obedience to God and that they're created to be slaves for them.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
Point 2: No, Qatar doesn't qualify as a perfect Muslim country either which is what we're looking for here.
They don't even implement full Islamic laws.
Well everyone should be implementing standard Islamic laws so that we all have a single standard in obedience to God, and i think the country in which you reside is worse in terms of implementation of Islamic laws and in this context is in a far worse off position in terms of being eligible for God's mercy.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
You don't want to provide names,
I told you to provide the names since you who unlawfully invaded them have more of a duty to provide them and your corrupt jewish false gods have also have been censoring research.
There's no logic in invading lands, censoring lawful information, then demanding that someone else provide the info, it's only answer can be: "taste the brunt of just retribution from God Who knows the unseen and the open".
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fine, then I'll assume you're talking about Afghanistan and Iraq to begin with.
No point assuming based on conjecure when you have access to the information.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
The reason I asked was because these countries apparently had the rare quality that they implemented full Islamic Laws.
That's a false assertion, the implementation of Islamic laws and it's study and comprehension is never complete even up until death and the day of judgement, these countries moved in that direction and implemented many of the standard fundamental rules, although Saddam's country which was still coming out of secularist manipulated baathism was far behind afghanistan which was still coming out of a war with a huge military force and was very new - less than a decade old, but the heart was in the right place and it was moving in the right direction.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
We're looking for the perfect Muslim Country,
Perfection is only Allah's and we are mere humans, it is our intentions and efforts to do that which is right in God's sight in each and every circumstance which we are accountable for.
Even the Prophet did not leave behind a perfect Muslim society and no Prophet before him has either, our duty as humans is to strive hard in the correct direction in God's sight with sincerity and true justice.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
I'd like to see how the perfect Muslim Country looks like.
You are either low on IQ or a complete troll.
Anybody who knows about how human beings develop from the cradle to the grave, and how societies are governed should be able to testify the same with me.
format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
Was Afghanistan and the Taliban the perfect Muslim Country before the invasion ?
It was a country that was coming out of communism and into the obedience of God, and it's officials were apparently exerting a high amount of effort and were making huge personal sacrifices taken before as granted including the banning of opium despite the threat of losing international financial aid.
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Is that what you would use as a model for all Muslim Countries around the world ?
I use history, the struggle of God's previous messengers in their various circumstances, and the Quran as a model.
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Was Iraq the perfect Muslim Country before the invasion ?
You sound like a cheeky little urchin troll i'd love to slap...
...yet i'll answer briefly according to the best of my abilities for the benefit of readers even though i feel you'd be more happy to listen to broken records in a cell for a day with bread and water instead...
...iraq is a Muslim majority nation that was coming out of secular baathism, this was helped by the fact that Saddam Hussein realised the truth of Allah 's message in the Quran after my birth, he also knew about the mother of harlots verses in the bible, and he realised that the corrupt jewish money changing userers were evil and bloodthirsty and cruel enough to shock even him - especially when he realised they wanted to use him as a hooker for inciting perpetual war - all these facts had an effect on him and the persecution of the jew usurer shill anglo-american leadership gave him determination.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Raymann
Were any of those other countries that you didn't provide the names the perfect Muslim Country ?
You tell me.
I'd be lying if i said anyone other than God was perfect just as i'd probably be lying if i said you were born to a perfectly pious mother.
However, i can say for sure that many leaders and citizens of some countries are better than those of many others - and that Islam is the standard way of life enjoined by God upon all of humankind - and that distance from obedience to God is what leads to subjugation to tyranny and unlawful expolitation.
The Prophet, his companions, and those who followed him later gave precious blood for quite a few centuries - not so that they could get rich and live lives of luxury, but so that they could, in obedience and submission to God, leave a high moral foundation and a God-fearing and universally just society behind them so that ANYBODY who comes after them can enjoy the fruits of justice and good living as long as they build themselves on it and don't let themselves decay.
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