What's Wrong With Jews?

@nosmarter - are you attempting to claim that Muslims are the cause of the corruption of the jews?


What we saw then is repeating in a slightly different format now:

When it suited, the EIC made much of its legal separation from the government. It argued forcefully, and successfully, that the document signed by Shah Alam – known as the Diwani – was the legal property of the company, not the Crown, even though the government had spent a massive sum on naval and military operations protecting the EIC’s Indian acquisitions. But the MPs who voted to uphold this legal distinction were not exactly neutral: nearly a quarter of them held company stock, which would have plummeted in value had the Crown taken over.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...porate-raiders

America is more corrupt than most nations of the world and this can be seen by simply observing how politicians take relatively minor kickbacks from jewish lobby groups and then hand over billions of dollars of their constituents' resources as a thank you for being promoted and not slapped down. A bit like how the corrupt politicians in post-colonial countries do deals with their colonial "friends" then take a lion's share from relatively minor "aid" packages which are purposefully made easy to "mismanage" , and how they promise contracts to big businesses before even being elected.

If you read the Old Testament, you will see that Judaism was really founded by Ezra. It was Ezra who twisted the Torah to create a racist religion. Before Ezra, the Israelite religion was anti-racist.

I follow the Old Testament, not Judaism. The Old Testament makes it clear that screwing over members of evil cultures is fine. This has nothing to do with race but rather has to do with the competition of cultures and religions. Today's Islam is making a terrible mistake in failing to understand this. The statements in the Quran regarding honesty in business were meant to be applied to business in Medina meaning within Muslim lands. I see no evidence that these statements were meant to apply to one's enemies.

America is a degenerate cesspool that deserves to be plundered. Judaism is absolutely right to plunder it, and Islam is wrong to not plunder it. Here Judaism is serving God by helping to destroy an evil empire. The main thing that Judaism gets wrong is its racism.

format_quote Originally Posted by umie

So, America deserves to be plundered? screwing and plundering evil cultures is OK? there are innocent people living there who have done nothing wrong...they just live in the wrong culture...but screwing and plundering their life work is OK...how is this justice?

To be clear, I mean cultural Americans which means people whose primary identity is American. This does not include American Muslims, traditional Anabaptists, Orthodox Jews, or other groups that live in America but do not identify as American.

These people are not innocent because they choose to remain members of an evil culture. Killing these people is wrong because this prevents them from repenting. But bankrupting them just lessens America's power and may even increase the possibility that they repent and join a good religion.

format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000

Why don't they repent and turn to God, why are they deluded by a racial bond which becomes non-existent in the big scheme of things and inevitably mixes back into the family of Adam ?

Is there an ulterior motive for this racism - through a question of racial loyaly that simple freemasonry alone cannot keep in check?

When will they wake up and stop corrupting the planet with their satanic blood-sucking, usurious money changing, parasitic abominations?

AsSalaam..

It's been a while since I last posted anything in this forum.. Several things contributed to my infrequent postings.. in syaa Allah things will change.


Well, coming back to the above statement, I have in the past, in whatever related threads, expressed reasons along the lines, so I will repeat myself again below... but before I do, please bear in mind that it is my conclusion and not common belief.


I'll try to keep it simple and as brief as possible.. It started with Satan's solemn oath that he will lead mankind astray right at the beginning, with the creation of Adam (a.s.)

We can see from the Quran itself that it does not take long (within a few generations) before any teachings of prophets throughout history become corrupted by his (Satan's) influences. And successions of prophets needed to be sent to give guidance which successively became corrupted again. Then came a great opportunity for Satan when Nabi Ibrahim (pbuh) requested that all future prophets are of his descendants.

They became the nation of 'priests' to be taught the laws of Allah until such time the message for the world was sent. This makes perfect sense in the way that the nation of priests would have inherited the faith and practice from many generations to be able to naturally live and be in compliance with the basic laws of the scriptures given. They would be an example to the world.

I see it from the basic and incremental messages (yet monumental in significance) that was given to the believers to practice, from the belief in Allah, what we would call tauheed, in the Zabur and the guide to the human mechanics in the Taurat what is best simplified as to do unto other what we expect others to do unto you. . . and if others don't you have the option to 'turn the other cheek', I suppose, to forgive as the only thing new taught in the message of Jesus (as he came not to change the scripture even an iota). Only with the Quran did a message come with laws for living in a community. This was a the message for the Jews (had they accepted Muhammad s.a.w.) to spread with laws to implement as a system for the world, from financing to trade.

Instead, what was imposed were laws that is in nature against the commandments. Syaitan has made his oath and he is going to drag most of mankind into hell with him. He has infiltrated the ruling elite and over generations created a system to enslave the world. I don't believe the concepts of marketing would be as it is today where we would have mountains of produce, over supply and raping of resources in the name of capitalism, hoarding of wealth etc. if the Jews implemented the laws of the scripture as it was intended to be.

But, Allah has never made it easy for the believers. He Will test His subjects and allowed the ranks of the nation of priests to be breached leading to where we are today.. :/ almost an anti-god civilisation.

format_quote Originally Posted by umie

Does not matter...screwing over people can never be justified...no matter from what culture. If they show hostility, them fight against them...if they are just minding their own business and they are peacefull...then let them be and do not do business with them.

The problem is that modern culture does not mind its own business. It relentlessly tries to corrupt the world, and it has mostly succeeded, so we live in a world that is almost entirely corrupt. This topic is discussed in the Old Testament (Numbers 25 and Numbers 31:1-18) where the Midianites tried to corrupt the Israelites and so God told the Israelites to wipe them out.

That is also why "Thou shalt love thy neighbour" is so important in Christianity.

The Old Testament says the same (Leviticus 19:18). But your neighbor is meant to be the person living in your culture, not a member of a hostile culture.

format_quote Originally Posted by umie

Sorry, But I am a little upset about this.
There are people who live among them who just happen to live there because they are americans...who are living there for generations...who have nothing to do with all this...they just want to live peacefully, believe in their own religion and only minding their own business...how can any religion expect them to leave their roots...their lands and posessions...their lifework....and just leave? where would they go? how can any religion be so cruel?

They don't have to leave, they just have to reject modern culture and find a good religion. I lived in America all my life and I have seen it change from a decent place to pure evil. The decent Americans I knew were driven insane or to suicide. The rest became evil with the culture. One of my former best friends chased after my wife, which is typical American behavior. When I think of America today, I think of the story in the Old Testament of Abraham asking God if there are any decent people left in Sodom and Gomorrah before God destroys it. And God says none except Lot. This is the current state of America. There are no decent Americans left, they are all evil. I believe that they all deserve to be slaughtered, but I will leave that to God for the reasons I mentioned.

And OK, killing them prevents them from repenting...but armed robbery, beating them up, harassment, rape, torture...or any other kinds of violence sure doesn't...so that is also OK then?

Anything that causes permanent damage, that can't be reversed if they repent, should be avoided. Everything else is okay.

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format_quote Originally Posted by nosmarter

I don't know what Old Testament you read, but I'm pretty sure it says in there that the Jews are God's chosen people and not anyone else. As to the rest of your post .. you sound very confused.

You have already put your ignorance of the Quran on public display in another thread. And now you want to do the same for Old Testament? Since you are an atheist, you are welcome to just ignore religion. But if you want to discuss religion, then you really do have an obligation to educate yourself before debating with people who know 100 times as much about their religion as you do.

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

We muslims accept Ezra as a Prophet so what he changed in Judaism was supposed to be done as a commandment from God. Also Judaism (which we muslims believe an early form of Islam) was always a “race-ist” religion since the beginning. God had set it for a specific race, for a specific period. There is wisdom behind this that we need to understand. All other races had gone astray. They had to be racist to protect themselves from corruption anyway. God’s commandments are not free from logic..

All of this is false. I challenge you to find any evidence in support of any of this in the Quran or hadith.

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9:30”And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

In this ayah we understand that he was at least a man of God if not a Prophet from the context. He is mentioned in the same context along with Masih Aleyhisselam. In both cases he did what God willed. Otherwise Quran would mention him as a bad man.

2:47”O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations”

In this ayah we understand that Allah had chosen Israel as a nation that is superior to the other nations. Maybe “racist” is a wrong word but it was nationalist by the will of God.

Yes, Allah mentioned Al-Asbaat (the tribes), this was in the final stages of the tribal age where it was rare for a person to go from one tribe and live amongst another - this was the reality of the situation since only alignment with the tribe protected people from predators.
This is possibly how human beings fought similar creatures who were too beastly and animalistic to co-exist with, but Allah did make a distinction from the time of Adam and sent prophets to all nations including Russia (the as-haab ar-rass who were near azerbaijaan and armenia).

The children of Israel were told that there would be sent a Prophet to the whole world and that they were to honour and assist him - some accepted and some rejected, and now the rejecters amongst the children of Israel have separated themselves from God, and they worship the rothschilds as lord and the Messiah who gave them hitler as the fake antichrist. And they have set up a godless state in the holy land and practise abominations and injustice and call it "progressive", and call it "Israel" - whilst allying themselves with rothschild's east india company (which he took full control of through the london stock market after the battle of waterloo) run country which practices the biggest abominations and blasphemies, and they cry "the temple of the lord, the temple of the lord" as if they are delivered to practise abomination in the name of the Lord.






These are some of the reasons why Allah cursed them, and also the Prophets David and Jesus and Muhammad , and that is why they are known to be a false dajjal state by those who care to study the facts and use their God given intellect.


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Dajjāl (Arabic: دجال) is an adjective of Syriac origin.[1] It is also a common Arabic superlative form of the root word dajl meaning "lie" or "deception".[2] Al-Masīḥ ad-Dajjāl, with the definite article al- ("the"), refers to "the deceiving Messiah", a specific end times deceiver. The Dajjāl is an evil being who will seek to impersonate the true Messiah.

The name Dajjal also is rooted in an Arabic word dajel, which means "to gold plate" or "to coat in gold". It is derived from word meaning "to mix".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Masih_ad-Dajjal

Considering they made their fortune by usury and debasing gold via contamination , and then debasing fiat currency (which they set up after engineering wars and getting governments to renege on their promise to repay in gold and silver coin) through institutions such as the IMF - gold plating is probably an understatement since money is now grown on paper from trees.




The rothschilds -via freemasonry- also practise the arts of the pagan religions such as al Majusiah (the magicians) who had a concept of a "god of light" and a "god of darkness" the concept which they portray on their black and white tiles and through their doublespeak when alluding to evil, witchcraft, adultery, homosexuality, and blasphemy as "godly and good".

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

Whats wrong with this thread?
9:30”And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”

In this ayah we understand that he was at least a man of God if not a Prophet from the context. He is mentioned in the same context along with Masih Aleyhisselam. In both cases he did what God willed. Otherwise Quran would mention him as a bad man.

Why do you think Uzair is Ezra?

2:47”O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and that I made you excel the nations”

In this ayah we understand that Allah had chosen Israel as a nation that is superior to the other nations. Maybe “racist” is a wrong word but it was nationalist by the will of God.

"Nationalist" is a better word but still not quite right in the modern sense. Israel was a nation in the same sense that the ummah in early Islam were a nation. In both cases they were religious communities united under one government. It wasn't a nation in the modern sense since it had no immigration control and was defined more by its people/religion than by a land area.