What's wrong with Muslims?

[Raymann]

Or should I have asked: What's wrong with Muslims? or What's wrong with people living in Muslim Countries?
Let me explain.
I've been reading a lot of Islamic culture and history and things don't add up.Islam is a religion that also provides a set of rules on how to live your entire life. Everything is instructed by god (Allah) and your prophet so you should have the perfect instructions on how to succeed, live in harmony and peacefully.
Instead, I cannot find a single fully developed Muslim country in the world. Why?
The more I read about specific countries the more I start to discover all the problems that affect them.
Some common culprits are:
Intolerance with other religions or cultures (hate, dislike, confrontations, wars).
Underdevelopment (poverty is usually very high on most Muslim countries)
Peace is not the best quality of most Muslim countries (confrontations with other Muslims as well as with others)
Can anyone explain it to me?
Money and resources are not the only problem since Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Turkey and others seem to have the resources but somehow cannot fully develop.
I'd like to see how a perfect and peaceful (secure and tolerant) Muslim Country would look like.

[eesa the kiwi]

There's nothing wrong with Islam. Islam is a perfect way of life ordained by the creator.

Don't confuse Muslims and Islam two completely different things. Islam is perfect Muslims are not. To answer the question the Muslim world is a shambles because we've turned our backs. We have forgotten our purpose in life which is to worship Allah and turned our purpose into chasing after the dunya

Tariq ibn Shihab reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “Verily, we were a disgraceful people and Allah honored us with Islam. If we seek honor from anything besides that with which Allah has honored us, then Allah will disgrace us.”

Source: al-Mustadrak 214

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

[xboxisdead]

There's nothing wrong with Islam. Islam is a perfect way of life ordained by the creator.

Don't confuse Muslims and Islam two completely different things. Islam is perfect Muslims are not. To answer the question the Muslim world is a shambles because we've turned our backs. We have forgotten our purpose in life which is to worship Allah and turned our purpose into chasing after the dunya

Tariq ibn Shihab reported: Umar ibn Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, said, “Verily, we were a disgraceful people and Allah honored us with Islam. If we seek honor from anything besides that with which Allah has honored us, then Allah will disgrace us.”

Source: al-Mustadrak 214

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

THANK YOU! Also to add...paradise of non-Muslims is this world. Your heart and desires are here. Even the homeless non-Muslim who barely have enough food, shelter, get beaten up, raped, abused, insane, bad at school, sick, crippled...is forbidden to see his children, etc. That non-Muslim man or woman who have these calamities...THAT IS HIS or HER paradise. That is it. Not a very good deal now, is it? Well...this is what non-Muslims traded. They traded the afterlife for this world..so this world is their paradise. For Muslims this world is literally a prison. A jail cell so to speak. The afterlife is the true success and their paradise belongs to them there.

Now some non-Muslims could be rich like Bill Gate or financially well set or could be the most beautiful, most smartest, most articulate, most influential,have the most power, happy and content with children and family, live a long and healthy life, never ones had a single calamity befall them, etc. Well that is their paradise too in this world.

What is the state of the non-Muslims in the afterlife? Hellfire.

What is the state of the Muslim in the afterlife? Paradise.

So while the non-Muslims are rejoicing at their power, influence, success in this world and while Muslims are struggling, suffering, dying, etc in this world. The one who gets the last laugh are the Muslims.

Oh..also...for the Muslim mother who goes through pain to deliver the baby for every pain she gets her sins are cleaned and she gets rewards over rewards.

For non-Muslim mother who delivers that child is a punishment, who when she gets sick is a form of punishment, when she get dizzy it is a form of punishment, when she delivers the baby and goes through the pain, that is a punishment. For non-Muslim who get to have a paper cut, that is a punishment, who get burned, that is a punishment, who have a flue that is a punishment. As for Muslims who get pain that is a mercy from Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) and it is to remove sins and add good deeds, same applies if the Muslim is burned, etc. For Muslims and non-Muslims however, who get burned is a form of warning from Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Talaa) to remind that person that hellfire is worse than that and if you cannot handle the pain of burn here...that it is worse in the afterlife.

[fschmidt]

What is wrong with Muslims is that they don't follow Islam. This forum is an example. There is no basis for censorship in Islam, yet this forum exercises unreasonable censorship, thereby illustrating what is wrong with Muslims.

[Abz2000]

The Islamic spirit within Muslims weakened at one stage and they passively allowed themselves to be looted by the likes of east india company. Before this - the Muslims of Bengal (east india) and many others were living in prosperity.
Oh why did that mogul emperor allow the british east india pirates to appease him by falling to his feet in false pretense? If only he had slaughtered them as an example and sent their heads to the king of england.

[anatolian]

The reason why there is not a single fully developed Muslim country in the world today is because there is not a single Muslim country who properly follow Islam in the world today. You need to dig in history to see something. We humans are forgetful beings and its been 1400 years since the Prophet set the rules for the perfect example of the Islamic society. We have forgotten most of it and also did not adopt the western or eastern civilization considering them un-Islamic although we have already gone more un-Islamic then them in some aspects. So here we are..If we remember the true Islamic way one day then you can see how far go beyond those western and eastern civilizations. Here “we” refers to the muslim majority countries.

[Raymann]

paradise of non-Muslims is this world

Not if you ask a Christian, or a Jew.

For Muslims this world is literally a prison.

That is a dark description of "this World", any reason Allah put you in a prison and make you suffer?
That's the first time I read something like that, I'm in total shock.
So I don't understand why Muslims try so desperately to run away from the Islamic prison Allah assign to them and go to enjoy the Christian World.
Are you saying that it is anti-Islamic to be prosperous, successful, happy, tolerant and peaceful IN THIS WORLD.
Can you have a good standard of living and a nice car in this world and still go to paradise later on?
Thanks for your reply.

[Raymann]

there is not a single Muslim country who properly follow Islam in the world today

That is amazing, considering that there are 1.6 billion Muslims and I think around 50 Muslim countries.I know that some Muslims think Democracy and Islamic Countries don't match but the way I see it, Democracy could be the best path for a total Islamic Country.Democracy in it's basic form only means Government by the people. The people chooses who governs the country.
On a real democracy, Muslims could choose a real Islamic Government that applies all the Islamic Laws.If the government decides to go it's own way the people (on a democracy) have the right to get it back in the right path.
So considering those 50 Muslim Countries and that some of them use democracy in the government,
how come none of them has ever attempted to do what for any Muslim should be the right thing to do, adopt fully Islamic Laws ? How can you claim the Islamic system is so perfect when Muslims themselves are so reluctant to use it ?

[Alamgir]

Or should I have asked: What's wrong with Muslims? or What's wrong with people living in Muslim Countries?
Let me explain.
I've been reading a lot of Islamic culture and history and things don't add up.Islam is a religion that also provides a set of rules on how to live your entire life. Everything is instructed by god (Allah) and your prophet so you should have the perfect instructions on how to succeed, live in harmony and peacefully.
Instead, I cannot find a single fully developed Muslim country in the world. Why?
The more I read about specific countries the more I start to discover all the problems that affect them.
Some common culprits are:
Intolerance with other religions or cultures (hate, dislike, confrontations, wars).
Underdevelopment (poverty is usually very high on most Muslim countries)
Peace is not the best quality of most Muslim countries (confrontations with other Muslims as well as with others)
Can anyone explain it to me?
Money and resources are not the only problem since Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Turkey and others seem to have the resources but somehow cannot fully develop.
I'd like to see how a perfect and peaceful (secure and tolerant) Muslim Country would look like.

The problems are:

1. We don't practice Islam properly anymore (e.g nobody rules by Sharia in it's entirety)
2. General 3rd world problems (e.g corruption, brain drain and poverty).
3. Everyone considers it okay to invade/attack our countries (e.g Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq).

We're working on fixing number 1 and 2, but it's up to you guys to fix number 3. We are a minority in your countries and will remain that way for quite a while, so it's up to you to vote for people who will stop committing or supporting the crimes that are inflicted upon us.

[xboxisdead]

The problems are:

1. We don't practice Islam properly anymore (e.g nobody rules by Sharia in it's entirety)
2. General 3rd world problems (e.g corruption, brain drain and poverty).
3. Everyone considers it okay to invade/attack our countries (e.g Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq).

We're working on fixing number 1 and 2, but it's up to you guys to fix number 3. We are a minority in your countries and will remain that way for quite a while, so it's up to you to vote for people who will stop committing or supporting the crimes that are inflicted upon us.

Don't forget also that everything starts in homes. See how parents raise their children. Are they focused on children's well being to be educated for dunaya reasons or for akhira reasons? Do they teach their children math, biology, physics as their highest priorities or they teach them Qura'an, ahadith, fiqh, etc as their highest priority? Do they think English is the language of power or Arabic is the language that is spoken in paradise and should be protected in this world from being lost?

How many civilians look up to Western world as first world being success vs looking at the prophet as their role model? How many boys LOVE to wear and act or try to mimic the prophet peace be upon him and girls want to mimic and wear the style of the best of woman in the world (during the prophets time)? How many children (boys and girls) look at the prophet (peace be upon) as their hero and role model? How many parents instill this in their homes? How many parent have musical instruments in their homes (like my home have a piano, my mom bought it for my twin brother as he plays piano). How many actually don't miss a single prayer of fajir (like me who misses fajir prayers and sometimes I do not) or other prayers (same here)? How many are honest in their businesses with other people? How many people in Muslim countries are actually "man" of their words and honor their words actually?

Yes...there are so much to fix in ourselves before we as Muslim community can actually succeed!

Let me test you guys with this question. How many would feel safe to be under the knife in surgery room under a non-Muslim American or Canadian person vs under a Muslim person? You will be surprised to find that majority of Muslims would say they would feel safe under the knife of a non-Muslim vs a Muslim. Then shouldn't this make you go ? One have to ponder why we have reached this far.

Amazingly no one is actually pondering.

[M.I.A.]

Or should I have asked: What's wrong with Muslims? or What's wrong with people living in Muslim Countries?
Let me explain.
I've been reading a lot of Islamic culture and history and things don't add up.Islam is a religion that also provides a set of rules on how to live your entire life. Everything is instructed by god (Allah) and your prophet so you should have the perfect instructions on how to succeed, live in harmony and peacefully.
Instead, I cannot find a single fully developed Muslim country in the world. Why?
The more I read about specific countries the more I start to discover all the problems that affect them.
Some common culprits are:
Intolerance with other religions or cultures (hate, dislike, confrontations, wars).
Underdevelopment (poverty is usually very high on most Muslim countries)
Peace is not the best quality of most Muslim countries (confrontations with other Muslims as well as with others)
Can anyone explain it to me?
Money and resources are not the only problem since Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Turkey and others seem to have the resources but somehow cannot fully develop.
I'd like to see how a perfect and peaceful (secure and tolerant) Muslim Country would look like.

It's because of the secret..

Everyone talks around it without understanding it.

And to be fair, you don't need to understand it.

Islam is a way of life, do this.. don't do that. Do the things that are ultimately deemed beneficial and stay away from things that are detrimental.

Then you can move forward and establish something.

Unfortunately as it goes, the deeds are written.. And all accounted for.

And the sins we can't rid ourselves off, are the ones we are judged on.

Once you know the secret, you can't ever go back.

All things fall away.

You understand that even oppression is read from a book.

How one man reads another.

I would love to say that we all live in little protected bubbles..

And we do.

But I don't know what makes or removes yours.


Lol, what's in your mouth? And why is it there?

You shouldn't even know.


But if you do, then it's just one man introducing another..


Allah swt raises and lowers as he wills.


I can't do the things you people do anymore. And they are amazing sometimes believe me.

But patience and perseverance are hard to maintain, and so we hate others rather than hating ourselves..

Too old to blame others here.

Make no mistake, Islam is the truth.

It's the way forward, although success is only with Allah swt.

I really don't know if there is benefit in knowing.

Id be content with just being really good at what I do.

[Aku]

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Some common culprits are:
Intolerance with other religions or cultures (hate, dislike, confrontations, wars).
Underdevelopment (poverty is usually very high on most Muslim countries)
Peace is not the best quality of most Muslim countries (confrontations with other Muslims as well as with others)
Can anyone explain it to me?

Don't make a blank assessment or judgment. How many million are homeless and beggars in non-Islamic countries, especially in the US when compared to Islamic countries.

[HisServant]

Or should I have asked: What's wrong with Muslims? or What's wrong with people living in Muslim Countries?
Let me explain.
I've been reading a lot of Islamic culture and history and things don't add up.Islam is a religion that also provides a set of rules on how to live your entire life. Everything is instructed by god (Allah) and your prophet so you should have the perfect instructions on how to succeed, live in harmony and peacefully.
Instead, I cannot find a single fully developed Muslim country in the world. Why?
The more I read about specific countries the more I start to discover all the problems that affect them.
Some common culprits are:
Intolerance with other religions or cultures (hate, dislike, confrontations, wars).
Underdevelopment (poverty is usually very high on most Muslim countries)
Peace is not the best quality of most Muslim countries (confrontations with other Muslims as well as with others)
Can anyone explain it to me?
Money and resources are not the only problem since Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Turkey and others seem to have the resources but somehow cannot fully develop.
I'd like to see how a perfect and peaceful (secure and tolerant) Muslim Country would look like.

Hello/Salaam,

Generally, I am certain there are many things wrong with many Muslims, inclusive of myself
We do have the perfect instructions but following them wholly can be another matter.
One possible answer, we are in the age of great tribulation; some leaders and individuals aren't following or establishing Islam properly, in the life story of the prophet pbuh an example is the Madinah period when Islam was established, there was no intolerance although there were rules to be followed by all religions/cultures.
Underdevelopment, http://www.strongestinworld.com/rich...lim-countries/

On a positive note some of these countries try to help others but whether they are 'allowed' to help or not is another matter.

"This week, the United Arab Emirates offered assistance of $100 million while Qatar offered $5 million. India will not accept relief assistance from foreign governments for the flood-ravaged state of Kerala, the government has said, following offers of aid from Qatar and the United Arab Emirates."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/india-dec...053854085.html

Sometimes, we cause tribulations on ourselves by being close friends/having strong ties with those who oppose the perfect guidance and laws. Being negatively influenced, other times we may be able to influence positively. However, success is not in our hands ultimately, we are tested sometimes by being given less and rewarded for patience and steadfastness by being given more. The whole concept, of progression, in my understanding, is based on righteousness. When you start with yourself being accountable( the relationship with Allah) and perfect this, then it's becomes more easier to move with social relations, ...correct governance of a country. The Islamic values is the perfect ideal, when followed on how to live in a righteous way. Not only will you feel spiritually well as an individual, with abundance hope, attracting divine blessings, help of Angels etc, you'll be mentally sharp, insightful and fair to everyone. (understanding of events, situations will be far more perceptive, even when being led astray)

Having to be accountable on a daily basis, (at the start till the end of each day, and daily) enables you to be exceptionally merciful to others, (in some instances I was directed to videos whereby the parents of their murdered child publicly forgave the killers/murders - perhaps they were fearful and aware about the punishment for murderers in the the hereafter, hence wanted to forgive them in this world? Or, maybe it was due to a specific situation to show compassion because they fear both i.e the punishment for murderers in addition to rejecting Islam?)

The values are tremendous to be purposefully kind without seeking any kind of reward or having an 'ulterior' agenda, work well with others being healthy in mind, body and behavior, it's all by having a pure spiritual state or trying to achieve etc, perhaps this is why many aren't concerned with pursuing worldly wealth and progression. It takes away from their worship or comprises it in someway, or they focus more of building on their spiritual nature. That is their right, likewise some would try to do achieve it all using the strength of their spirituality/inner good nature to do as much good as possible. And, some would have comprised their deen and lost sight of the highest values and attainments truly possible, in steering their way back an eternal abode of everlasting peace and blessings.

Nevertheless, what's the point of achieving great amounts of wealth, greatest technological advancements, greatest forms of developments when good character and being morally upright is missing or compromised? What's the end result, for I believe that we are all aware for every action there is a consequence. If, a person and his friend gain wealth by robbery and killing another individual, do you really think they will both enjoy that wealth? Chances are whenever you are in friendship with a bad person doing wrong actions, you will both end up betraying each other/ one over the other. I think some believe it's karma......Similarly, (and yet differently) we believe in our good and bad actions having effects, whereby we will be rewarded for the good actions and punished for the bad. But, we don't necessarily live like feeling this way, sometimes we feel a great deal of closeness to our creator and it causes internal discomfort to do anything wrong to destroy the relationship with Him whom we love.

When prophet Isa (a.s) returns the glory of Islam will be established.

1. He will verify the right ideas about himself and deny the wrongs
2. He will encourage/guide people to worship Allah
3. He will establish the laws in the Quran/justice and peace will prevail
4. The false Messiah (who calls others to worship himself) and his system will be destroyed

If you live until then, you will surely see how a "perfect and peaceful" society will be

But, I really hope way before that happens your understanding changes, because none of us know for certainty when that time will be..,,

[xboxisdead]

Don't make a blank assessment or judgment. How many million are homeless and beggars in non-Islamic countries, especially in the US when compared to Islamic countries.

Especially when the majority of these homeless are men. And in USA if you are a man no one cares and if you are homeless and a man no one cares. USA is a sexist and racist country. Islam have zero tolerance to sexism or racism. Non-Muslim say and shout that Islam hate men or Islam hate women where in fact they the non-Muslim hate themselves and everyone around them period . Islam is a perfect religion of complete justice. It is a treasure to be protected with your life.

[beleiver]

To answer the OP simply... We (me, you, everybody) are living in the age of Satan...And we are blind, it's not the eyes that are blind but our hearts...

['Abd-al Latif]

What is wrong with Muslims is that they don't follow Islam. This forum is an example. There is no basis for censorship in Islam, yet this forum exercises unreasonable censorship, thereby illustrating what is wrong with Muslims.

Erm, what? Might be worth raising this in the Helpdesk section if you feel you're being 'censored'. I'll be happy to discuss any issues there.

[Raymann]

Thanks for the replies.
I understand most comments and the general consensus that Muslims are not practicing Islam as they should and that to be one of the causes of the problems that afflict Islamic Countries.
I am not sure I agree with that but I have no means to argue against it.

Some other messages were not so much of my like, here is one:

1. We don't practice Islam properly anymore (e.g nobody rules by Sharia in it's entirety)
2. General 3rd world problems (e.g corruption, brain drain and poverty).

Especially this part here:

3. Everyone considers it okay to invade/attack our countries (e.g Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq).

We're working on fixing number 1 and 2, but it's up to you guys to fix number 3.

Who is everyone? America?, the Western countries? or the whole non-Islamic world?

"It's up to you guys": Again, I had nothing to do with it.

Let me understand, attacking any Muslim Country is like attacking your own country? Is that what you're saying?
Using the same logic, when members of the Muslim Countries (ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, etc), attack non-Muslims or other countries then you should stand up and take responsibility for the atrocities committed by your own people.
Do not tell me they are not real Muslims just because they don't act like you would.
They pray 5 times a day, memorize the Quran and follow it even more in depth than you'll ever do.

I truly believe that most Muslims don't think like you do (hopefully) and I don't blame them for the actions of a few extremists but you cannot use double standards and accuse others for the very same think that you do yourself.
Islam originated around Mecca and expanded around the world by invading other countries and not by sharing religious flyers.
The allies went after Van Laden, the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and they left after they finished their mission, they didn't attempt to conquer those countries. I'm not saying that I agree with their actions but those are the facts.
Palestine was never a country by the way and Israel could have easily kept all the territory gained after the 6 day war but they didn't, they just want to have a piece of land for themselves and I understand it.

[ChosenTCO]

Whats wrong with the majority of muslims all over the world are 2 things, Intolerance and Pride.

Im not sure if it is something that arises due to the way islam is being taught[Not Islam Itself] or whether its something inherent in arabs.
Pride is one of the most destructive features a nation could have between its people. This pride breeds intolerance and intolerance breeds war. A single, effective ingredient for catastrophe ...

its so common to hear stories about how a person thinks his intellect is far more superior than the rest, but its not just that. The problem is that these people justify violence in order to force people into following their ways and teachings.
In islam, we are ordered and commanded by God to have no doubt about our religion and its instructions and there is nothing wrong with that. It is meant to make our faith in the religion stronger than any other. But the problem comes when we try to force it on others or shame them for not following us. This is were many of us muslims deviate from the teachings of islam. Allah clearly stated in the holy Quran that there is no compulsion in religion. Yet u see muslim minority or even majority groups shame and curse those who do not follow their beliefs. But its not just that, some muslims actually believe that the Quran and islam in general instruct us to hate all and every non muslims out there, see them as the enemy, and create this "them versus us" narrative in the minds of the youth. This creates muslims who are full of passion for their religion, and hate for all people who are non muslims to the point that they would be willing to commit suicide (bombing) to put some hurt on those non muslims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nlIfn8tNA

This video is a perfect example of how horrible some muslims who are uneducated have become and how vulgar they are in their chants and hate towards non muslims. Now it should be noted that these cases arent common among muslims and so we shouldnt generalize all muslims to be like that, but its common enough for the media to pick up on those things a number of times to send a bad public image about muslims. Now why the hell would any non muslim with a sane mind would want to join islam after seeing such video? This creates more problems for islam, not solve them. Yes, i will admit that islam does instruct us to be very wary of the Kuffar and stern in tone when interacting with them but this doesnt apply for people who mean us no harm, regular non-muslim individuals who want to live in harmony whether its with or without us. Why, oh why must everything be a fight for these people ... its beyond me. There are other things than hate to be passionate about, but ... i guess this is the curse of this nation.

Hadiths:
1)- Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6904 "...I begged my Lord for my Ummah that it should not be destroyed because of famine, nor be dominated by an enemy who is not amongst them to take their lives and destroy them root and branch, and my Lord said: Muhammad, whenever I make a decision, there is none to change it. Well, I grant you for your Ummah that it would not be destroyed by famine and it would not be dominated by an enemy who would not be amongst it and would take their lives and destroy them root and branch even if all the people from the different parts of the world join hands together (for this purpose), but it would be from amongst them, viz. your Ummah, that some people would kill the others or imprison the others."

2)- Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6906 "...I asked my Lord three things and He has granted me two but has withheld one. I begged my Lord that my Ummah should not be destroyed because of famine and He granted me this. And I begged my Lord that my Ummah should not be destroyed by drowning (by deluge) and He granted me this. And I begged my Lord that there should be no bloodshed among the people of my Ummah. but He did not grant it."


So much bloodshed is going to come because of these over passionate youngsters seeking to help the ummah by forcing others to submit to their young and unexperienced/naive knowledge of the deen (Religion). Each new one that comes keeps holding the ummah back from progressing over what the previous, and more experienced scholars of the ummah have said. So many times we have been held back and so many times we were not allowed to progress due to these people stopping us from looking at some of the real problems that affect this ummah. Our issues is that a large number of us cant live in harmony together, let alone others from different religions or nations (because we're so close minded and stubborn). So how is it expected from us to even progress when we can live peacefully together?

Many of those who commented on this form have said it straight! We have left the basic teachings of islam, that includes decency in our code of conduct and attitude when dealing with people. Yet instead we focus on other mynute and trivial things to the point were we fight over it and make takfir over each other about it.

[beleiver]

The allies went after Van Laden, the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and they left after they finished their mission, they didn't attempt to conquer those countries. I'm not saying that I agree with their actions but those are the facts.
Palestine was never a country by the way and Israel could have easily kept all the territory gained after the 6 day war but they didn't, they just want to have a piece of land for themselves and I understand it.

Just want to point out....Bin Laden was supported financially, morally and with military hardware by the west when he invaded Afghanistan with this ultra-conservative extremist form of Islam that is forced on the people there to this day, this -------ized Islam comes out from the same Saudi dynasty the British enthroned in Mecca and have always supported and let propagate this extremism the world over..
And Saddam was a US/British asset and ally while he genocided the Kurds and waged a long war on their behalf against Iran that killed millions of people...

And sorry there are still military bases protecting corporate interests in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, in fact, all over the planet...

Palestine never a 'country' are you serious? there was no land called Palestine? there were no Palestinian people?

Everything is connected, you really want to know whats wrong with 'Muslims' you have to ask yourself whats wrong with the world...

[سيف الله]

Thanks for the replies.

The allies went after Van Laden, the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and they left after they finished their mission, they didn't attempt to conquer those countries. I'm not saying that I agree with their actions but those are the facts.
Palestine was never a country by the way and Israel could have easily kept all the territory gained after the 6 day war but they didn't, they just want to have a piece of land for themselves and I understand it.

No wonder these invasions keep happening if they have the mindset you are displaying. Seriously read some history.

Thankfully not all are as ignorant or as gullible as you.