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    I'm a westerner who has never been closed to the Islamic Culture and therefore is difficult for me to understand some things related to Muslims and I don't see any other way but asking Muslims about those things.

    The topic is Islamic Terrorism.

    Islamic Terrorism is committed by terrorists that are Muslims who believe in their own interpretation of the Quran, Surah and Hadith. They are deeply religious people (fanatics) who pray 5 times a day, memorize the Quran and practice Islam to the best of their knowledge. They apply sharia law and try to impose their beliefs upon everyone in their reach. They justify their actions by claiming to be in Holy War (jihad)
    Muslims are not supposed to attack people or other cultures unless they have been attacked themselves.
    But these terrorists claim they have been attacked by western countries so they have the right to defend themselves. We don't know if their justification is still the Crusades, the establishment of Israel and the conflict with the Palestinian people or the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq or who knows what.
    As a westerner is hard for me to understand when exactly all this started.
    Why do Islamic Terrorists really hate the west ?
    Is war the only way ?
    The terrorists are the ones taking action but there are many others that have their same hate and ideology.
    Do most Muslims hate the west ?
    Do most Muslims dislike the west ?
    Do Muslims consider the west evil because they are non-believers or is there any other reason ?
    Are Muslims "Tolerant" ?
    Is it possible for Christians and Jews to live peacefully side by side with Muslims ?
    I know is possible in western countries while Muslims are the minority but not so when Muslims are the majority.
    Any thoughts ?

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    There is no legal definition of "west" and no legal system for a dominion called west - unless you are referring to anarchy.

    I believe you are either unaware - or are feigning to be unaware - of the fact that usurers who are protected by certain Godless secularist leaders, and their populations via the armies which they participate in are guilty of installing and forcing upon Muslims certain corrupt governments who push corruption and lewdness, and sign dodgy checks promising that their populations and future generations will repay - and when Muslims attempt to change the corrupt governments and install pure islamic governments, they face the barrels of weapons held by the secularist governments who harbour the usurers (e.g ukgb, usa, france) and use their armies as goons on their behalf - they also use indebted proxy armies who are sometimes fully or partially run by those governments who work as mouthpieces for the usurers.
    the russian dolls trace back to the cowardly little tailor at threadneedle street which uses the american army as its primary muscle - hence when Muslims are sabotaged, a lot of the anger is directed towards the top of the pyramid of deception.
    The recent malicious lies against afghanistan and iraq after the false flag on september 11th 2001 and subsequent illegal invasions of multiple countries and slaughter of millions of Muslims, and the accompanying anti-Islamic propaganda also helped in understanding where the usurers' muscle is at.



    actions of secularist leaders of certain western countries who actually speak to gain approval of usurers during elections whilst they overtly address the masses also point people towards where to look when they suffer injustice.


    An eight-year-old girl, Nawar al-Awlaki, was killed in the raid, according to her family. Nawar, also known as Nora, is the daughter of the al-Qaida propagandist and American citizen Anwar al-Awlaki, who was killed in a September 2011 US drone strike in Yemen. Awlaki’s 16-year-old son Abdulrahman was killed in a second drone strike soon afterwards.
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    On the campaign trail, Trump endorsed killing relatives of terrorist suspects, which is a war crime. “The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families,” he told Fox News in December 2015.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    There is no legal definition of "west" and no legal system for a dominion called west - unless you are referring to anarchy.
    That's fair, the "west" is an imprecise term. For the purpose of this discussion let's assume the "West" are the countries in Europe and the Americas and you can add also Israel. Those are the countries I'm specifically talking about when I say the "West".

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    usurers who are protected by certain Godless secularist leaders, and their populations
    Let me understand, we're talking about the reasons why terrorists attack the west and you find the answer on some "usurers" who are backed up by some Godless secularist leaders.
    Who are these leaders ?
    Secular means the government and the religion are separate.
    The US is not a Godless nation for your information.
    "In God We Trust" is the official motto of the United States of America
    Do you justify Terrorism as the way to solve the problems caused by the "usurers" ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    Muslims attempt to change the corrupt governments and install pure islamic governments
    Can you be more specific ?

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    The recent malicious lies against afghanistan and iraq after the false flag on september 11th 2001
    Why don't you just say it ? What where the lies about 9/11 ? Are you talking about some conspiracy theory that I don't know ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymann View Post
    That's fair, the "west" is an imprecise term. For the purpose of this discussion let's assume the "West" are the countries in Europe and the Americas and you can add also Israel. Those are the countries I'm specifically talking about when I say the "West".



    Let me understand, we're talking about the reasons why terrorists attack the west and you find the answer on some "usurers" who are backed up by some Godless secularist leaders.
    Who are these leaders ?
    Secular means the government and the religion are separate.
    The US is not a Godless nation for your information.
    "In God We Trust" is the official motto of the United States of America
    Do you justify Terrorism as the way to solve the problems caused by the "usurers" ?


    Can you be more specific ?



    Why don't you just say it ? What where the lies about 9/11 ? Are you talking about some conspiracy theory that I don't know ?

    No theory - just plain solid facts.

    You'll need to research the incident yourself instead of baiting me into an arguments since the evidence that the american government facilitated and then lied about the events on that day and then used them as capital to commit evil crimes are overwhelming.

    No point asking me what i believe since i am not your leader.

    Just look in the mirror and think about what you believe - and what you've become.

    Any objective person who cares to think from any part of the world would be able to inform you if the rulership of America has any respect for truth and justice and all that God guides to - by their fruits shall you know them. God is not only a word to be uttered like liberal rebublican, conservative democrat, secular faithful, and "i like such and such colour" , it has meaning and depth and concerns way of life and the establishment of justice as guided by God Who knows the past, the Present, and the future; the inner and the outer; and ultimately judges with perfect justice.


    A capitalist on the other hand is someone who puts money and financial wellbeing over every other thing - including issues concerning society and legislation - that is because the person has been blinded to God and has developed the mind of a savage and greedy criminal who even considers financial status as the measure of development and the feeding of unbridled lust as the measure of happiness.

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    The word decadence, which at first meant simply "decline" in an abstract sense, is now most often used to refer to a perceived decay in standards, morals, dignity, religious faith, or skill at governing among the members of the elite of a very large social structure, such as an empire or nation state. By extension, it may refer to a decline in art, literature, science, technology, and work ethics, or (very loosely) to self-indulgent behavior.

    Usage of the term sometimes implies moral censure, or an acceptance of the idea, met with throughout the world since ancient times, that such declines are objectively observable and that they inevitably precede the destruction of the society in question; for this reason, modern historians use it with caution. The word originated in Medieval Latin (dēcadentia), appeared in 16th-century French, and entered English soon afterwards. It bore the neutral meaning of decay, decrease, or decline until the late 19th century, when the influence of new theories of social degeneration contributed to its modern meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    the american government facilitated and then lied about the events on that day and then used them as capital to commit evil crimes are overwhelming.
    Wrong, there are some childish conspiracy theories that no one can seriously consider to be reliable.
    If there was solid proof of these facts, where is that proof ? Link, please.

    Stop looking for excuses, it's not your fault.


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    Greetings and peace be with you Raymann

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymann View Post
    Why don't you just say it ? What where the lies about 9/11 ? Are you talking about some conspiracy theory that I don't know ?
    9/11 was wrong. But what was worse was the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. Tens of thousands of innocent people died and they had nothing to do with 9/11. There was no justification to invade Iraq, the invisible WMDs did not appear to exist after all. How are the families of these innocent people going to get justice and compensation for their loss and the death of family members?

    In the spirit of searching for justice for all people,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    9/11 was wrong. But what was worse was the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.
    Afghanistan was 100% justified, the responsible for 9/11 was there (Al Qaeda) and the ones giving them protection (The Taliban) too.
    How was that not justified ?
    I agree that Iraq was not totally justified based on the fact that they never found the WMDs.
    Doesn't mean they didn't exist but they never found them.
    Most of the casualties came after the invasion, when all different groups were loose to attack each other.
    Still, I agree, that was a mistake after seeing the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymann View Post
    http://<a href="https://www.youtube....t1IVJIirSw</a>

    Wrong, there are some childish conspiracy theories that no one can seriously consider to be reliable.
    If there was solid proof of these facts, where is that proof ? Link, please.

    Stop looking for excuses, it's not your fault.





    You know, one of the types of people who i HATE with a passion are those who argue with falsehood for the sake of contention, confusion, strife, and useless lengthy debate in order to confuse people and lead them away from the truth - instead of actually arguing what they actually believe to be the truth - even if flawed or false. The second type there is hope for, the first type are those who would have others arguing to prove that the sky is blue simply for the sake of demeaning them and keeping them busy with futility, i call the first type "mufsidoon fi al ard" and no mercy will be shown to them when the time comes - that is because they sought to destroy and mislead others rather than to increase in good guidance and put things right by seeking the truth and working on the foundation of truth..



























    The destruction of america, ukgb, israel, and all other allies of the false war on terror will also be justified if they give comfort to usurers and own or possess weapons of mass destruction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymann View Post
    Afghanistan was 100% justified, the responsible for 9/11 was there (Al Qaeda) and the ones giving them protection (The Taliban) too.
    How was that not justified ?
    I agree that Iraq was not totally justified based on the fact that they never found the WMDs.
    Doesn't mean they didn't exist but they never found them.
    Most of the casualties came after the invasion, when all different groups were loose to attack each other.
    Still, I agree, that was a mistake after seeing the results.
    And seeing the aftermath of the 9/11, I just cannot deny the possiblity of that attacks being part of the scenario. America was already planning to invade Iraq and "some people" ploted these attacks to justify the invasion. Afghanistan was just a sacrifice. The invasion of Afghanistan was done to justify the invasion of Iraq. They accustomed the invasion of a country in the eyes of people by firstly invading Afghanistan and people like you did not oppose it considering the responsibles of 9/11 originated from that country. When you were accustomed of your state invading a mid-eastern country, you did not oppose the invasion of Iraq either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    And seeing the aftermath of the 9/11, I just cannot deny the possiblity of that attacks being part of the scenario. America was already planning to invade Iraq and "some people" ploted these attacks to justify the invasion. Afghanistan was just a sacrifice. The invasion of Afghanistan was done to justify the invasion of Iraq. They accustomed the invasion of a country in the eyes of people by firstly invading Afghanistan and people like you did not oppose it considering the responsibles of 9/11 originated from that country. When you were accustomed of your state invading a mid-eastern country, you did not oppose the invasion of Iraq either.
    That doesn't make any sense. Are you crazy ?
    The US didn't need to destroy 2 emblematic buildings in NYC, plus 3 more buildings and kill 3.000 of their own people. Attack the Pentagon, attempt to attack the White House, kill all that people in the airplanes, etc, all that just AS AN EXCUSE TO INVADE AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ ? Are you serious ?

    The reason to attack Iraq was because Saddam Hussein was using WMD against its own people. No need to attack Afghanistan as an excuse to invade Iraq.

    By the way, look at this finding in 2014:

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...-found-in-iraq

    Think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymann View Post
    That doesn't make any sense. Are you crazy ?
    The US didn't need to destroy 2 emblematic buildings in NYC, plus 3 more buildings and kill 3.000 of their own people. Attack the Pentagon, attempt to attack the White House, kill all that people in the airplanes, etc, all that just AS AN EXCUSE TO INVADE AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ ? Are you serious ?

    The reason to attack Iraq was because Saddam Hussein was using WMD against its own people. No need to attack Afghanistan as an excuse to invade Iraq.

    By the way, look at this finding in 2014:

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...-found-in-iraq

    Think

    You've already read this on the last "what's wrong woth Muslims" thread which you created so i now know you are a troll with the intent of feigning ignorance in order to sway public opinion (though you'd only sway the opinions of idiots like yourself).



    The operation proposed creating public support for a war against Cuba by blaming it for terrorist acts that would actually be perpetrated by the U.S. Government.[6] To this end, Operation Northwoods proposals recommended hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:


    The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.


    Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, [b[including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The operation recommended developing a "Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington[/b]

    The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's anti-communist Cuban Project, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.


    The main proposal was presented in a document titled "Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)," a top secret collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS).[1] The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on 13 March 1962 as a preliminary submission for planning purposes. The Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended that both the covert and overt aspects of any such operation be assigned to them.

    The previously secret document was originally made public on 18 November 1997, by the John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Review Board,[7]a U.S. federal agency overseeing the release of government records related to John F. Kennedy's assassination.

    Since it would seem desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for U.S. military intervention in Cuba, a cover and deception plan, to include requisite preliminary actions such as had been developed in response to Task 33 c, could be executed as an initial effort to provoke Cuban reactions. Harassment plus deceptive actions to convince the Cubans of imminent invasion would be emphasized. Our military posture throughout execution of the plan will allow a rapid change from exercise to intervention if Cuban response justifies.
    A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.[14]
    United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.
    Commence large scale United States military operations.


    OPERATION MONGOOSE


    Twelve of these proposals come from a 2 February 1962 memorandum entitled "Possible Actions to Provoke, Harass or Disrupt Cuba," written by Brig. Gen. William H. Craig and submitted to Brig. Gen. Edward Lansdale, the commander of the Operation Mongoose project.[5][9]

    The memorandum outlines Operation Bingo, a plan to "create an incident which has the appearance of an attack on U.S. facilities (GMO) in Cuba, thus providing an excuse for use of U.S. military might to overthrow the current government of Cuba."

    It also includes Operation Dirty Trick, a plot to blame Castro if the 1962 Mercury manned space flight carrying John Glenn crashed, saying: "The objective is to provide irrevocable proof that, should the MERCURY manned orbit flight fail, the fault lies with the Communists et al. Cuba [sic]." It continues, "This to be accomplished by manufacturing various pieces of evidence which would prove electronic interference on the part of the Cubans."

    Even after General Lemnitzer lost his job as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Joint Chiefs of Staff still planned false-flag pretext operations at least into 1963. A different U.S. Department of Defense policy paper created in 1963 discussed a plan to make it appear that Cuba had attacked a member of the Organization of American States (OAS) so that the United States could retaliate. The U.S. Department of Defense document says of one of the scenarios, "A contrived 'Cuban' attack on an OAS member could be set up, and the attacked state could be urged to take measures of self-defense and request assistance from the U.S. and OAS."

    The plan expressed confidence that by this action, "the U.S. could almost certainly obtain the necessary two-thirds support among OAS members for collective action against Cuba."[15][16]

    Included in the nations the Joint Chiefs suggested as targets for covert attacks were Jamaica and Trinidad-Tobago. Since both were members of the British Commonwealth, the Joint Chiefs hoped that by secretly attacking them and then falsely blaming Cuba, the United States could incite the people of the United Kingdom into supporting a war against Castro.[15] As the U.S. Department of Defense report noted:

    Any of the contrived situations described above are inherently, extremely risky in our democratic system in which security can be maintained, after the fact, with very great difficulty. If the decision should be made to set up a contrived situation it should be one in which participation by U.S. personnel is limited only to the most highly trusted covert personnel. This suggests the infeasibility of the use of military units for any aspect of the contrived situation."[15]

    The U.S. Department of Defense report even suggested covertly paying a person in the Castro government to attack the United States: "The only area remaining for consideration then would be to bribe one of Castro's subordinate commanders to initiate an attack on [the U.S. Navy base at] Guantanamo."[15]



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    The evil omens of your second excuse for the illegal and evil criminal invasion and occupation of iraq are also with you - oh wretched pro-israeli troll.





    THE US and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.

    Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.

    Classified US Defense Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.

    The Senate committee's reports on 'US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual-Use Exports to Iraq', undertaken in 1992 in the wake of the Gulf war, give the date and destination of all US exports. The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning.

    One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.

    The shipments to Iraq went on even after Saddam Hussein ordered the gassing of the Kurdish town of Halabja, in which at least 5000 men, women and children died. The atrocity, which shocked the world, took place in March 1988, but a month later the components and materials of weapons of mass destruction were continuing to arrive in Baghdad from the US.

    The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs.'

    This assistance, according to the report, included 'chemical warfare-agent precursors, chemical warfare-agent production facility plans and technical drawings, chemical warfare filling equipment, biological warfare-related materials, missile fabrication equipment and missile system guidance equipment'.


    Donald Riegle, then chairman of the committee, said: 'UN inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs.'

    Riegle added that, between January 1985 and August 1990, the 'executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record'.

    It is thought the information contained in the Senate committee reports is likely to make up much of the 'evidence of proof' that Bush and Blair will reveal in the coming days to justify the US and Britain going to war with Iraq. It is unlikely, however, that the two leaders will admit it was the Western powers that armed Saddam with these weapons of mass destruction.

    However, Bush and Blair will also have to prove that Saddam still has chemical, biological and nuclear capabilities. This looks like a difficult case to clinch in view of the fact that Scott Ritter, the UN's former chief weapons inspector in Iraq, says the United Nations destroyed most of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and doubts that Saddam could have rebuilt his stocks by now.

    According to Ritter, between 90% and 95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction were des troyed by the UN. He believes the remainder were probably used or destroyed during 'the ravages of the Gulf War'.


    Ritter has described himself as a 'card-carrying Republican' who voted for George W Bush. Nevertheless, he has called the president a 'liar' over his claims that Saddam Hussein is a threat to America.

    Ritter has also alleged that the manufacture of chemical and biological weapons emits certain gases, which would have been detected by satellite. 'We have seen none of this,' he insists. 'If Iraq was producing weapons today, we would have definitive proof.'

    He also dismisses claims that Iraq may have a nuclear weapons capacity or be on the verge of attaining one, saying that gamma-particle atomic radiation from the radioactive materials in the warheads would also have been detected by western surveillance.

    The UN's former co-ordinator in Iraq and former UN under-secretary general, Count Hans von Sponeck, has also told the Sunday Herald that he believes the West is lying about Iraq's weapons program.

    Von Sponeck visited the Al-Dora and Faluja factories near Baghdad in 1999 after they were 'comprehensively trashed' on the orders of UN inspectors, on the grounds that they were suspected of being chemical weapons plants. He returned to the site late in July this year, with a German TV crew, and said both plants were still wrecked.

    'We filmed the evidence of the dishonesty of the claims that they were producing chemical and biological weapons,' von Sponeck has told the Sunday Herald. 'They are indeed in the same destroyed state which we witnessed in 1999. There was no trace of any resumed activity at all.'


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    Although official U.S. policy still barred the export of U.S. military equipment to Iraq, some was evidently provided on a "don't ask - don't tell" basis. In April 1984, the Baghdad interests section asked to be kept apprised of Bell Helicopter Textron's negotiations to sell helicopters to Iraq, which were not to be "in any way configured for military use" [Document 55]. The purchaser was the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. In December 1982, Bell Textron's Italian subsidiary had informed the U.S. embassy in Rome that it turned down a request from Iraq to militarize recently purchased Hughes helicopters. An allied government, South Korea, informed the State Department that it had received a similar request in June 1983 (when a congressional aide asked in March 1983 whether heavy trucks recently sold to Iraq were intended for military purposes, a State Department official replied "we presumed that this was Iraq's intention, and had not asked.") [Document 44]
    During the spring of 1984 the U.S. reconsidered policy for the sale of dual-use equipment to Iraq's nuclear program, and its "preliminary results favor[ed] expanding such trade to include Iraqi nuclear entities" [Document 57]. Several months later, a Defense Intelligence Agency analysis said that even after the war ended, Iraq was likely to "continue to develop its formidable conventional and chemical capability, and probably pursue nuclear weapons" [Document 58]. (Iraq is situated in a dangerous neighborhood, and Israel had stockpiled a large nuclear weapons arsenal without international censure. Nuclear nonproliferation was not a high priority of the Reagan administration - throughout the 1980s it downplayed Pakistan's nuclear program, though its intelligence indicated that a weapons capability was being pursued, in order to avert congressionally mandated sanctions. Sanctions would have impeded the administration's massive military assistance to Pakistan provided in return for its support of the mujahideen fighting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.)
    In February 1984, Iraq's military, expecting a major Iranian attack, issued a warning that "the invaders should know that for every harmful insect there is an insecticide capable of annihilating it whatever the number and Iraq possesses this annihilation insecticide" [Document 41]. On March 3, the State Department intervened to prevent a U.S. company from shipping 22,000 pounds of phosphorous fluoride, a chemical weapons precursor, to Iraq. Washington instructed the U.S. interests section to protest to the Iraqi government, and to inform the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that "we anticipate making a public condemnation of Iraqi use of chemical weapons in the near future," and that "we are adamantly opposed to Iraq's attempting to acquire the raw materials, equipment, or expertise to manufacture chemical weapons from the United States. When we become aware of attempts to do so, we will act to prevent their export to Iraq" [Document 42].
    The public condemnation was issued on March 5. It said, "While condemning Iraq's chemical weapons use . . . The United States finds the present Iranian regime's intransigent refusal to deviate from its avowed objective of eliminating the legitimate government of neighboring Iraq to be inconsistent with the accepted norms of behavior among nations and the moral and religious basis which it claims" [Document 43].




    Bush: 'Leave Iraq within 48 hours'

    Tuesday, March 18, 2003 Posted: 0234 GMT (10:34 AM HKT)

    (CNN) -- Here is a transcript of President George W. Bush's Monday night televised address to the nation:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/me...sh.transcript/

    He looks like that crook from out of "enemy of the state" aswell.

    The criminal americans were probably angry that he'd discarded their chemical weapons stash without paying them.
    Also bear in mind that rumsfeld was the CEO of the chemical company which was researching bird flu and making millions selling its antidote to governments BEFORE the recent outbreak).



    from 1977 to 1985 Rumsfeld served as Chief Executive Officer, President, and then Chairman of G. D. Searle & Company, a worldwide pharmaceutical company based in Skokie, Illinois. During his tenure at Searle, Rumsfeld led the company's financial turnaround, thereby earning awards as the Outstanding Chief Executive Officer in the Pharmaceutical Industry from the Wall Street Transcript (1980) and Financial World (1981). In 1985, Searle was sold to Monsanto Company.

    Rumsfeld served as chairman and chief executive officer of General Instrument Corporation from 1990 to 1993. A leader in broadband transmission, distribution, and access control technologies for cable, satellite and terrestrial broadcasting applications, the company pioneered the development of the first all-digital high-definition television (HDTV) technology. After taking the company public and returning it to profitability, Rumsfeld returned to private business in late 1993.

    From January 1997 until being sworn in as the 21st Secretary of Defense in January 2001, Rumsfeld served as Chairman of Gilead Sciences, Inc. Gilead Sciences is the developer of Tamiflu (Oseltamivir), which is used in the treatment of bird flu.[42] As a result, Rumsfeld's holdings in the company grew significantly when avian flu became a subject of popular anxiety during his later term as Secretary of Defense. Following standard practice, Rumsfeld recused himself from any decisions involving Gilead, and he directed the Pentagon's General Counsel to issue instructions outlining what he could and could not be involved in if there were an avian flu pandemic and the Pentagon had to respond.[43][44]


    Later in the month, the State Department briefed the press on its decision to strengthen controls on the export of chemical weapons precursors to Iran and Iraq, in response to intelligence and media reports that precursors supplied to Iraq originated in Western countries. When asked whether the U.S.'s conclusion that Iraq had used chemical weapons would have "any effect on U.S. recent initiatives to expand commercial relationships with Iraq across a broad range, and also a willingness to open diplomatic relations," the department's spokesperson said "No. I'm not aware of any change in our position. We're interested in being involved in a closer dialogue with Iraq" [Document 52].
    Iran had submitted a draft resolution asking the U.N. to condemn Iraq's chemical weapons use. The U.S. delegate to the U.N. was instructed to lobby friendly delegations in order to obtain a general motion of "no decision" on the resolution. If this was not achievable, the U.S. delegate was to abstain on the issue. Iraq's ambassador met with the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Jeane Kirkpatrick, and asked for "restraint" in responding to the issue - as did the representatives of both France and Britain.
    A senior U.N. official who had participated in a fact-finding mission to investigate Iran's complaint commented "Iranians may well decide to manufacture and use chemical weapons themselves if [the] international community does not condemn Iraq. He said Iranian assembly speaker Rafsanjani [had] made public statements to this effect" [Document 50].
    Iraqi interests section head Nizar Hamdoon met with Deputy Assistant Secretary of State James Placke on March 29. Hamdoon said that Iraq strongly preferred a Security Council presidential statement to a resolution, and wanted the response to refer to former resolutions on the war, progress toward ending the conflict, but to not identify any specific country as responsible for chemical weapons use. Placke said the U.S. could accept Iraqi proposals if the Security Council went along. He asked for the Iraqi government's help "in avoiding . . . embarrassing situation[s]" but also noted that the U.S. did "not want this issue to dominate our bilateral relationship" [Document 54].
    On March 30, 1984, the Security Council issued a presidential statement condemning the use of chemical weapons, without naming Iraq as the offending party. A State Department memo circulating the draft text observed that, "The statement, by the way contains all three elements Hamdoon wanted" [Document 51].

    On April 5, 1984, Ronald Reagan issued another presidential directive (NSDD 139), emphasizing the U.S. objective of ensuring access to military facilities in the Gulf region, and instructing the director of central intelligence and the secretary of defense to upgrade U.S. intelligence gathering capabilities. It codified U.S. determination to develop plans "to avert an Iraqi collapse." Reagan's directive said that U.S. policy required "unambiguous" condemnation of chemical warfare (without naming Iraq), while including the caveat that the U.S. should "place equal stress on the urgent need to dissuade Iran from continuing the ruthless and inhumane tactics which have characterized recent offensives." The directive does not suggest that "condemning" chemical warfare required any hesitation about or modification of U.S. support for Iraq [Document 53].
    A State Department background paper dated November 16, 1984 said that Iraq had stopped using chemical weapons after a November 1983 demarche from the U.S., but had resumed their use in February 1984. On November 26, 1984, Iraq and the U.S. restored diplomatic relations. Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz, in Washington for the formal resumption of ties, met with Secretary of State George Shultz. When their discussion turned to the Iran-Iraq war, Aziz said that his country was satisfied that "the U.S. analysis of the war's threat to regional stability is 'in agreement in principle' with Iraq's," and expressed thanks for U.S. efforts to cut off international arms sales to Iran. He said that "Iraq's superiority in weaponry" assured Iraq's defense. Shultz, with presumed sardonic intent, "remarked that superior intelligence must also be an important factor in Iraq's defense;" Tariq Aziz had to agree [Document 60].


    what were the iraq wars about?
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    I can directly tell you who did 9/11 and why they did it but you will never believe it because we live in an era where lies are so much outspread to the point where the truth becomes worse then fiction but nevertheless the truth.

    CIA Agent Confesses On Deathbed: ‘We Blew Up WTC7 On 9/11’

    79-year-old retired CIA agent, Malcom Howard, has made a series of astonishing claims since being released from hospital in New Jersey on Friday and told he has weeks to live. Mr. Howard claims he was involved in the “controlled demolition” of World Trade Center 7, the third building that was destroyed on 9/11.
    Mr. Howard, who worked for the CIA for 36 years as an operative, claims he was tapped by senior CIA agents to work on the project due to his engineering background, and an early career in the demolition business.


    Trained as a civil engineer, Mr. Howard became an explosives expert after being headhunted by the CIA in early 1980s. Mr. Howard says he had extensive experience in planting explosives in items as small as cigarette lighters and as large as 80 floor buildings.
    The 79-year-old New Jersey native says he worked on the CIA operation they dubbed “New Century” between May 1997 and September 2001, during a time he says the CIA “was still taking orders from the top.” Mr. Howard says he was part of a cell of 4 operatives tasked with ensuring the demolition was successful.
    Mr. Howard says the World Trade Center 7 operation is unique among his demolitions, as it is the only demolition that “we had to pretend wasn’t a demolition job”. He claims he had no problem going through with the deception at the time, because “when you are a patriot, you don’t question the motivation of the CIA or the White House. You assume the bigger purpose is for a greater good. They pick good, loyal people like me, and it breaks my heart to hear the ---- talk.
    [John Kerry Admits WTC 7 Was Brought Down By Controlled Demolition]
    But even he admits that now, looking back, “Something wasn’t right.”

    No good has come from this. This isn’t the America we envisioned.”




    Explaining how the building was bought down, Mr. Howard says, “It was a classic controlled demolition with explosives. We used super-fine military grade nanothermite composite materials as explosives. The hard part was getting thousands of pounds of explosives, fuses and ignition mechanisms into the building without causing too much concern. But almost every single office in the Building 7 was rented by the CIA, the Secret Service, or the military, which made it easier.

    Mr. Howard explains that WTC 7 was “loaded with explosives in strategic places” in the month leading up to the day that changed the course of American history. On September 11th, while the North and South towers burned, fuses were ignited in World Trade Center 7, and nanothermite explosions hollowed out the building, destroying the steel structure, removing the reinforcements, and allowing the office fires to tear through the rest of the building, hollowing it out like a shell.


    World Trade Center 7 collapsed into its own footprint at 5:20pm, seven hours after the destruction of WTC 1 and 2. The building shocked witnesses by coming down at the speed of freefall, indicating that it encountered zero resistance on the way down.

    Mr. Howard and his colleagues had done their job.

    When the building came down, it was such a rush. Everything went exactly to plan. It was so smooth. Everybody was evacuated. Nobody was hurt in WTC 7. We were celebrating. We kept watching replays of the demolition, we had the whiskey and cigars out, and then all of a sudden the strangest thing happened. We all started to worry that it looked a bit too smooth. We watched the tape again and again and again and we started to get paranoid. It looked like a controlled demolition. We thought ----, people are going to question this. And then we heard that people from the street were reporting that they heard the explosions during the afternoon. When we were told that the BBC botched their report and announced to the world that the building collapsed 20 minutes before it actually did… At that point we really thought the gig was up.”

    According to the official 9/11 report issued by the government, WTC 7 collapsed due to “uncontrolled fires” that were caused by debris that floated over from WTC 1 and 2, which had been hit by passenger planes. If the official narrative was true, WTC 7 would be the first tall building in the world to ever collapse due to uncontrolled fires, and the only steel skyscraper in the world to have collapsed into itself, due to “office fires.”




    Mr. Howard and his colleagues feared the public would see through the official narrative and rise up against the government, demanding to be told the truth.
    There were so many loose ends, so much evidence left behind. We thought the public would be all over it. We thought there would be a public uprising that the media couldn’t ignore. They’d be funding investigations and demanding to know why they were being lied to. We thought they’d find chemical composites in the area that would prove Building 7 was blown up.
    “We thought there would be a revolution. It would go all the way to the top, to President Bush. He’d be dragged out of the White House.
    “But none of that happened. Almost nobody questioned anything. The media shot down anyone who dared question anything they were told.”

    Follow the money


    Mr. Howard claims he has “no direct knowledge” about the destruction of North and South Towers of the World Trade Center, explaining that “CIA operations are very specific” and that it is common to be working on a larger project while only understanding a small piece of the puzzle.


    [9/11: Larry Silverstein Designed New WTC-7 One Year Before Attacks]


    But he has advice for investigators seeking to understand the entire puzzle and work out who was behind the most devastating attack on American soil in history.


    Follow the money.”

    When you want to find out who is behind something, just follow the money. Look at the trades made just before 9/11. These are the guys that knew what was coming. The sons of CIA agents, government officials. Close relatives of the most powerful men in America. Cheney, Rumsfeld. They all got rich. It wasn’t just the contracts awarded to their friends in the construction business and the wars and the kickbacks.”
    “It was insider trading.”

    Many countries including Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and Monaco launched insider trading investigations in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, believing that if they could prove Al-Qaeda operatives profited on the stock market then they could prove the terror organization was behind the attacks.

    And all the evidence pointed to heavy insider trading around 9/11.

    Italy’s foreign minister, Antonio Martino, said: “I think that there are terrorist states and organizations behind speculation on the international markets.” German central bank president, Ernst Welteke, said his researchers had found “almost irrefutable proof of insider trading.”

    Even CNN reported that regulators were seeing “ever-clearer signs” that someone “manipulated financial markets ahead of the terror attack in the hope of profiting from it.

    Mr. Howard says that a serious study of who profited on the stock market from 9/11 would “tear the heart out of the oligarchy in America.

    There is only one organization that spans the entire world, and let me tell you now, it isn’t and it never was al-Qaeda.
    It’s the CIA.

    There could never be a real investigation. The entire shadow government, as you call them now, are implicated.”

    The 79-year-old, spending his final weeks at home, said he doesn’t expect to be taken into custody following his confession because “then they’d have to go after everyone else. They will just use the media to attack me. They are all on the payroll to suppress everything around 9/11.”

    Link: https://yournewswire.com/cia-911-wtc7/


    Conclusion obviously this agent only admits before his deathbed but there is still a missing link but this missing link is the one you won't believe not today nor tomorrow. The few elites were the only ones who knew about the inside job before it took place and nobody else knew about it. Most of the Elites in the US and around the world subscribe to the occult world and involved with this practices and they are all openly members of secret societies. This was an order given to them by the occult world which takes direct orders from the unseen world and I know you may be an atheist who dosen't believe in the paranormal activities nor the unseen like the Jinn world but if you do your right investigation this would be directly linked to iblees[ an ancient demon who most of your government elites have plegded their allegiance to]

    The Question becomes even more tricky? why would this old entity want to order this attack on this buildings an labelled on the Mujahideens in Afghanistan? it's because they implanted the law of god unaltered in that specific region this is what has tricked him and imo previously they have been absent from the world stage for more then 350-yrs. It was only to revive an ancient battle that preceed all of our generations back to the old ancient times since the dawn of mankind. Good vs evil and truth vs falsehood. America as a whole is used as nothing but a pawn in all of this while most of Americans don't know who and why they are attacking such country and even setting up fake inside jobs to attack it.

    Most of the people will never know the truth until they arrive on the day of reckoning. because it's impossible for them to break lease from The amount of lies the media is putting out but most of them are gone and will never know the truth alive. The Elite have truly misguided them in all shape of ways you can imagine
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    @urkahnkhan - if someone claims to have problems believing the overwhelming and straightforward evidence proving the events on the day of september 11 2001 were facilitated by individuals at the top of chain of command in the american government - after spending a maximum of five hours researching information in the public domain - they are either lying and covering the darkness, deceit, and criminality within them) or they have moronic issues that would make it impossible for them to achieve more than 60 points in an iq test.


    Appears this firefighter with the nosebleed was able to read the signs of the times immediately:










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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymann View Post
    That doesn't make any sense. Are you crazy ?
    The US didn't need to destroy 2 emblematic buildings in NYC, plus 3 more buildings and kill 3.000 of their own people. Attack the Pentagon, attempt to attack the White House, kill all that people in the airplanes, etc, all that just AS AN EXCUSE TO INVADE AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ ? Are you serious ?

    The reason to attack Iraq was because Saddam Hussein was using WMD against its own people. No need to attack Afghanistan as an excuse to invade Iraq.

    By the way, look at this finding in 2014:

    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/artic...-found-in-iraq

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    I might be crazy but this still doesnt change the possibility of 9/11 to be plotted by some power centers inside America. There are different powers other than governents in the strategically important countries such as US. We call it “deep state” here in Turkey. These stone hearted guys may plot such things to accelerate the policies of the goverments without asking them. Majority of the American people would not support the invasions otherwise. This can be the reason why Bush looked surprised when he first heard about the attacks in the classroom but was still confident enough not to leave it.

    What changes if they found those weapons in Iraq? Did they use them ahaisnt you? Nope. Are you the gendarmerie of the world?

    As you see you can still make yourself believe in the legitimacy of the invasion after 15 years although you dont have a solid proof even for your illegitimate reason and thats because of 9/11.

    My questions are, how many people were supposed to be in the buildings that day and why were they not there? The buildings were emptier than usual on that day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    My questions are, how many people were supposed to be in the buildings that day and why were they not there? The buildings were emptier than usual on that day.
    Not true, I was on my way to work that day and like most people that work in offices started to work at 9:00 am.
    The first plane hit the tower at 8:46 am so at that time a lot of people were not there yet.
    Remember that 3000 people died but the rest of the people had enough time to evacuate the buildings.
    Just because ONLY 3000 people died doesn't mean that ONLY 3000 PEOPLE WERE THERE.
    The buildings didn't crumble right after the airplane hits.

    Here is the timeline

    https://www.history.com/topics/21st-.../9-11-timeline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    i now know you are a troll with the intent of feigning ignorance in order to sway public opinion (though you'd only sway the opinions of idiots like yourself).
    I don't consider myself a troll and this is why. On my introduction I stated that the reason I'm here is because I hear a lot of BAD THINGS about Islam and Muslims.
    I don't have Muslim friends and I hardly knew anything about Islam up until the last 20 or so years. That doesn't make me hate Muslims but when I have a question or doubt about something related to Islam or Muslims I prefer to have Muslims correcting or convincing me if I'm wrong.
    If that makes me a troll according to you, too bad, I disagree.

    In regards to your long post I didn't have the time to go thru it yet but I suspect is full of unreliable conspiracy theories like you have us accustomed to.
    I live in New York City and I truly and sincerely believe 19 Muslim hijackers trained by Al Qaeda were the ones responsible for the attack.
    I agree that WTC 7 (building 7) was intentionally dropped because some secret CIA information was in that building but that doesn't mean the whole attack was planned by any other than Al Qaeda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymann View Post
    I don't consider myself a troll and this is why. On my introduction I stated that the reason I'm here is because I hear a lot of BAD THINGS about Islam and Muslims.
    I don't have Muslim friends and I hardly knew anything about Islam up until the last 20 or so years. That doesn't make me hate Muslims but when I have a question or doubt about something related to Islam or Muslims I prefer to have Muslims correcting or convincing me if I'm wrong.
    If that makes me a troll according to you, too bad, I disagree.

    In regards to your long post I didn't have the time to go thru it yet but I suspect is full of unreliable conspiracy theories like you have us accustomed to.
    I live in New York City and I truly and sincerely believe 19 Muslim hijackers trained by Al Qaeda were the ones responsible for the attack.
    I agree that WTC 7 (building 7) was intentionally dropped because some secret CIA information was in that building but that doesn't mean the whole attack was planned by any other than Al Qaeda.

    Go through it since you asked - instead of attempting to sidestep by coming out with crappy and cheesy hasbara lines in order to cast prejudicial doubts without merit (you can feel my cold contempt after realising what i'm dealing with now can't you?)

    It takes more than half a day to rig up a 47 storey steel framed building with thermate shaped charges so its delusional to assume that it was decided on the fly and wasn't a part of the twin towers operation, also the fact that there were no wings in front of the pentagon is clear evidence of an obvious lie, i've handled the light air pocket filled metal (after a local plane crash) so i know it's not paper or plastic that just burns up or melts an disappears after a collision with concrete.

    One other thing i realised is that those rothschild backed corrupt jews who control much of the american government institutions (apparently 30% of the senate now holds israeli dual citizenship) and who were the controlling body behind PNAC actually went on to call their unified intelligence gathering gang "the department of HOMELAND security", anyone with an iota of intelligence who knows that this is an alien term in american politics comes to realise that there is only one set of racist dupes of satan who have been raving on like rabid dogs about a homeland they were exiled from due to their evil practices such as witchcraft, arrogant falsehood, and contempt for God and His messengers, one where they used to run the money changing rackets targeted at goyim and jews alike from.

    Also interesting to note that the same term was used in germany after the reichstag arson - when the rothschilds were finding it difficult to get enough dupes to move to their dreamed of and at last aquired through falsehood, treachery, and murder - godless state where the dupes would worship them as the false messiah who through usury takes all the gold and silver off of the goyim and hands it out amongst the jews. I always used to wonder why there was so much blind and irrational hatred against Islam and Muslims by the apparently carefree secularisrlts - until i realised how much of the media and financial systems the synagogue of satan control through usury - and also saw the motive "self-"justification" for blind racial hate crimes by the same who are able to deceive themselves into justifying anything through their deluded perception of racial supremacy and assumption that the messiah would join them in their satanic usurious deceptions in order to assist them in ruling the world with falsehood, tyranny and racism.

    The Holy Land is not a place intended to be a den of corrupt usurers who devise evil plots in the dark and provoke unjust bloodshed globally in order to gain financial supremacy over the nations, rather it is a place intended to be dedicated to the service of God - where He is served with truth and from where His laws are implemented (not some "oral" book conjured by babylonian captives who'd taken to witchcraft - ugh tell them it's wrong, please man, God didn't tell you to suck on babies' c*cks - it's unhygienic too.

    News of false flag Blackwater Israeli.Secret.Intelligence.Service crimes against all peoples and how the dots tie up coming soon - inshaAllah






    Al-A'raf 7:160

    وَقَطَّعْنَٰهُمُ ٱثْنَتَىْ عَشْرَةَ أَسْبَاطًا أُمَمًاۚ وَأَوْحَيْنَآ إِلَىٰ مُوسَىٰٓ إِذِ ٱسْتَسْقَىٰهُ قَوْمُهُۥٓ أَنِ ٱضْرِب بِّعَصَاكَ ٱلْحَجَرَۖ فَٱنۢبَجَسَتْ مِنْهُ ٱثْنَتَا عَشْرَةَ عَيْنًاۖ قَدْ عَلِمَ كُلُّ أُنَاسٍ مَّشْرَبَهُمْۚ وَظَلَّلْنَا عَلَيْهِمُ ٱلْغَمَٰمَ وَأَنزَلْنَا عَلَيْهِمُ ٱلْمَنَّ وَٱلسَّلْوَىٰۖ كُلُوا۟ مِن طَيِّبَٰتِ مَا رَزَقْنَٰكُمْۚ وَمَا ظَلَمُونَا وَلَٰكِن كَانُوٓا۟ أَنفُسَهُمْ يَظْلِمُونَ

    We divided them into twelve tribes or nations. We directed Moses by inspiration, when his (thirsty) people asked him for water: "Strike the rock with thy staff": out of it there gushed forth twelve springs: Each group knew its own place for water. We gave them the shade of clouds, and sent down to them manna and quails, (saying): "Eat of the good things We have provided for you": (but they rebelled); to Us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls.


    Al-A'raf 7:161

    وَإِذْ قِيلَ لَهُمُ ٱسْكُنُوا۟ هَٰذِهِ ٱلْقَرْيَةَ وَكُلُوا۟ مِنْهَا حَيْثُ شِئْتُمْ وَقُولُوا۟ حِطَّةٌ وَٱدْخُلُوا۟ ٱلْبَابَ سُجَّدًا نَّغْفِرْ لَكُمْ خَطِيٓـَٰٔتِكُمْۚ سَنَزِيدُ ٱلْمُحْسِنِينَ

    And remember it was said to them: "Dwell in this town and eat therein as ye wish, but say the word of humility and enter the gate in a posture of humility: We shall forgive you your faults; We shall increase (the portion of) those who do good."


    Al-A'raf 7:162

    فَبَدَّلَ ٱلَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا۟ مِنْهُمْ قَوْلًا غَيْرَ ٱلَّذِى قِيلَ لَهُمْ فَأَرْسَلْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ رِجْزًا مِّنَ ٱلسَّمَآءِ بِمَا كَانُوا۟ يَظْلِمُونَ

    But the transgressors among them changed the word from that which had been given them so we sent on them a plague from heaven. For that they repeatedly transgressed.


    Al-A'raf 7:163 وَسْـَٔلْهُمْ عَنِ ٱلْقَرْيَةِ ٱلَّتِى كَانَتْ حَاضِرَةَ ٱلْبَحْرِ إِذْ يَعْدُونَ فِى ٱلسَّبْتِ إِذْ تَأْتِيهِمْ حِيتَانُهُمْ يَوْمَ سَبْتِهِمْ شُرَّعًا وَيَوْمَ لَا يَسْبِتُونَۙ لَا تَأْتِيهِمْۚ كَذَٰلِكَ نَبْلُوهُم بِمَا كَانُوا۟ يَفْسُقُونَ

    Ask them concerning the town standing close by the sea. Behold! they transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. For on the day of their Sabbath their fish did come to them, openly holding up their heads, but on the day they had no Sabbath, they came not: thus did We make a trial of them, for they were given to transgression.


    Al-A'raf 7:164

    وَإِذْ قَالَتْ أُمَّةٌ مِّنْهُمْ لِمَ تَعِظُونَ قَوْمًاۙ ٱللَّهُ مُهْلِكُهُمْ أَوْ مُعَذِّبُهُمْ عَذَابًا شَدِيدًاۖ قَالُوا۟ مَعْذِرَةً إِلَىٰ رَبِّكُمْ وَلَعَلَّهُمْ يَتَّقُونَ

    When some of them said: "Why do ye preach to a people whom Allah will destroy or visit with a terrible punishment?"- said the preachers:" To discharge our duty to your Lord, and perchance they may fear Him."


    Al-A'raf 7:165

    فَلَمَّا نَسُوا۟ مَا ذُكِّرُوا۟ بِهِۦٓ أَنجَيْنَا ٱلَّذِينَ يَنْهَوْنَ عَنِ ٱلسُّوٓءِ وَأَخَذْنَا ٱلَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا۟ بِعَذَابٍۭ بَـِٔيسٍۭ بِمَا كَانُوا۟ يَفْسُقُونَ

    When they disregarded the warnings that had been given them, We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression.


    Al-A'raf 7:166

    فَلَمَّا عَتَوْا۟ عَن مَّا نُهُوا۟ عَنْهُ قُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُوا۟ قِرَدَةً خَٰسِـِٔينَ

    When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: "Be ye apes, despised and rejected."


    Al-A'raf 7:167

    وَإِذْ تَأَذَّنَ رَبُّكَ لَيَبْعَثَنَّ عَلَيْهِمْ إِلَىٰ يَوْمِ ٱلْقِيَٰمَةِ مَن يَسُومُهُمْ سُوٓءَ ٱلْعَذَابِۗ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَسَرِيعُ ٱلْعِقَابِۖ وَإِنَّهُۥ لَغَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

    Behold! thy Lord did declare that He would send against them, to the Day of Judgment, those who would afflict them with grievous penalty. Thy Lord is quick in retribution, but He is also Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.


    Al-A'raf 7:168

    وَقَطَّعْنَٰهُمْ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ أُمَمًاۖ مِّنْهُمُ ٱلصَّٰلِحُونَ وَمِنْهُمْ دُونَ ذَٰلِكَۖ وَبَلَوْنَٰهُم بِٱلْحَسَنَٰتِ وَٱلسَّيِّـَٔاتِ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَرْجِعُونَ

    We broke them up into sections on this earth. There are among them some that are the righteous, and some that are the opposite. We have tried them with both prosperity and adversity: In order that they might turn (to us).


    Al-A'raf 7:169

    فَخَلَفَ مِنۢ بَعْدِهِمْ خَلْفٌ وَرِثُوا۟ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ يَأْخُذُونَ عَرَضَ هَٰذَا ٱلْأَدْنَىٰ وَيَقُولُونَ سَيُغْفَرُ لَنَا وَإِن يَأْتِهِمْ عَرَضٌ مِّثْلُهُۥ يَأْخُذُوهُۚ أَلَمْ يُؤْخَذْ عَلَيْهِم مِّيثَٰقُ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ أَن لَّا يَقُولُوا۟ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا ٱلْحَقَّ وَدَرَسُوا۟ مَا فِيهِۗ وَٱلدَّارُ ٱلْءَاخِرَةُ خَيْرٌ لِّلَّذِينَ يَتَّقُونَۗ أَفَلَا تَعْقِلُونَ

    After them succeeded a generation: They inherited the Book, but they chose (for themselves) the vanities of this world, saying (for excuse): "(Everything) will be forgiven us." (Even so), if similar vanities came their way, they would (again) seize them. Was not the covenant of the Book taken from them, that they would not ascribe to Allah anything but the truth? and they study what is in the Book. But best for the righteous is the home in the Hereafter. Will ye not understand?


    Al-A'raf 7:170

    وَٱلَّذِينَ يُمَسِّكُونَ بِٱلْكِتَٰبِ وَأَقَامُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ إِنَّا لَا نُضِيعُ أَجْرَ ٱلْمُصْلِحِينَ

    As to those who hold fast by the Book and establish regular prayer,- never shall We suffer the reward of the righteous to perish.
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    If all you are going to to do is regurgitate tired misconceptions about Islam in order to argue I suggest you find another sites to waste your time on

    You come across as a middle aged white guy with a beer belly and a pick up truck with a sticker on the back that says mozlems go home and take Obama with you, however unlike you I have the intelligence that my assumptions are not necessarily are true so I'm not going to suggest that you get back in your pick up and leave

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