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    Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

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    Hatice Cengiz says her missing fiance Jamal Khashoggi did not doubt his safety inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul (AFP Photo/OZAN KOSE)
    Washington (AFP) - The fiancee of missing Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi on Tuesday asked President Donald Trump to help uncover what happened to the Riyadh critic who she said had "been fighting for his principles".


    Hatice Cengiz made the appeal in an opinion piece for The Washington Post newspaper, where Khashoggi was a columnist and an outspoken critic of some of Riyadh's policies.


    A veteran journalist, Khashoggi disappeared on October 2 after entering Saudi Arabia's consulate in Istanbul to arrange paperwork for his wedding to Cengiz, a Turk.


    Government sources in Turkey said police believe the 59-year-old was killed inside the consulate, claims which Riyadh dismissed as "baseless".


    Cengiz wrote that she was "confident in the abilities of Turkish government officials."


    "At this time, I implore President Trump and first lady Melania Trump to help shed light on Jamal's disappearance," she said.


    "I also urge Saudi Arabia, especially King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to show the same level of sensitivity and release CCTV footage from the consulate," Cengiz wrote.


    Trump on Monday expressed concern about Khashoggi's case and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called for a thorough investigation.


    Turkish police were also looking into the possibility that Khashoggi was kidnapped, local media reported.


    Riyadh has said Khashoggi left the consulate after his visit.


    Although Khashoggi knew that his opinions had angered certain people, he entered the consulate "without doubting he would be safe there," his fiancee wrote, but after three hours of waiting "fear and concern" overcame her.


    Khashoggi had fled his homeland in September last year and had been living in self-imposed exile in the United States, where he had applied for US citizenship, Cengiz said.


    A former Saudi government advisor, Khashoggi has been openly critical of Prince Mohammed, accusing him of introducing a new era of "fear, intimidation, arrests and public shaming."


    Cengiz wrote she remains confident that the "great man" is still alive, "although my hope slowly fades away each passing day."

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    Re: Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

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    President Donald Trump revealed that First Lady Melania Trump has joined the effort to 'get to the bottom' of what happened to missing journalist Jamal Khashoggi. Trump commented Wednesday on the disappearance of Khashoggi, calling it a 'very sad situation' and a 'very bad situation.' National Security Advisor John Bolton and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner spoke to Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman Tuesday.


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    Re: Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

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    WORLD NEWS 10/10/2018 09:11 pm ET Updated 1 day ago
    Saudi Crown Prince Ordered Effort To Bring Jamal Khashoggi Back To Saudi Arabia: Report
    U.S. officials told The Washington Post that Mohammed bin Salman, the heir to the Saudi throne, was directly implicated in the journalist’s disappearance.
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    Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman personally ordered an effort to lure Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi back to his home country, according to U.S. intelligence documents described to The Washington Post on Wednesday.

    The report adds new detail to Khashoggi’s disappearance, directly implicating the crown prince, who is notably close to President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner.

    Turkish authorities said they believed that Khashoggi, a former insider who grew increasingly critical of the Saudi royal family, was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week and his body removed from the premises.

    There was a detailed plan to entice Khashoggi back to Saudi Arabia, according to the Post, which cites intelligence documents outlined by U.S. officials. Crown Prince Mohammed reportedly offered Khashoggi government protection and a high-level job if he returned to the country, an offer the journalist was deeply skeptical of.

    “He said: ‘Are you kidding? I don’t trust them one bit,’” Khaled Saffuri, who spoke with Khashoggi in May, recounted to the Post.

    This image from CCTV video obtained by the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet reportedly shows Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi enter
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    This image from CCTV video obtained by the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet reportedly shows Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on Oct. 2, 2018.
    Officials in multiple countries said that if Khashoggi was killed inside the consulate last week, it may have been because a plan to capture the man went awry, the Post reported.

    Saudi Arabia has denied any involvement in Khashoggi’s disappearance and said he left the consulate shortly after he entered last Tuesday. The only available CCTV footage appears to show him entering the building but not leaving.

    On Tuesday, The New York Times first reported that Turkish officials believed Khashoggi was assassinated under orders from senior members of the Saudi royal court. Those unnamed officials said they believed the operation was carried out by a squad of 15 people flown into Turkey on two charter flights ― something that could only have been ordered by the country’s leadership due to its complexity and risk.

    Turkish officials said the event reminded them of the film “Pulp Fiction,” and said one of the men wielded a bone saw they suspect was used to dismember the journalist’s body.

    The Post later said the team reportedly laid in wait for Khashoggi to enter the building.

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    Re: Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

    Salaam

    Another update, seems MBS friends are not happy with the uncertainty.

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    More speculation.










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    Re: Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

    Assalamu Alaikum

    None of this story makes sense. I don't think anyone should believe anything they hear and it's really scary how fast these things trend as the truth, especially so when it is the West trying to pioneer "justice" and "freedom." Guantanamo bay anyone?? Truly we are nearing the end of times.
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    Re: Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

    the whole story is so damn random and pushed down the throats of the public.. how many people do politically get killed yearly? or kidnapped? it's in the 100s and yet again they are talking about this incident as if we are dealing with an angel who was killed or kidnapped. I never buy into MSM hysteria and they always have an agenda but they are gettin more desparate and amaturish just spamming random stories like this
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    Re: Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

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    Yes we all known Western governments record, there's as always a lot of smoke and mirrors, doesn't detract from the wrongness of whats happened to Jamal Khashoggi. We need to know what happened.



    Can Saudi Arabia's ‘great reformer’ survive the death in the consulate?

    The disappearance in Turkey of journalist Jamal Khashoggi has shaken confidence in Riyadh even among close allies


    In early 2016, when Mohammed bin Salman was still deputy crown prince and Donald Trump still a contender for US president, the then 30-year-old Saudi summoned senior British officials to Riyadh to see him. He had one thing on his mind, said two of the officials present that day – how to deal with Vladimir Putin.

    The Russian president’s role in the Middle East had suddenly expanded and his footprint throughout Europe and the US was growing just as rapidly. The young prince seemed curious about what the mercurial Putin had been up to: annexation, intimidation, deflection, the denial of objective facts. But he kept coming back to one question, the officials recalled: how does he get away with it? “He was fascinated by him,” one of the Britons told the Observer. “He seemed to admire him. He liked what he did.” Two years later Prince Mohammed is embroiled in a crisis unlike any other in his short, combustible time as the world’s most powerful thirtysomething. The crown prince stands accused of ordering the brutal death of a prominent critic on foreign soil – a state-sanctioned hit that is without precedent in the kingdom’s modern history, but is not quite so unknown in Russia.

    The events, as described by Turkish officials, are staggering and have shaken confidence in Prince Mohammed even among his closest allies, who until the past week had been steadfast in their support for his ambitious reform programme. Turkish intelligence and senior officials insist that the Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi was killed inside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul by a 15-man hit squad that had arrived from Riyadh on the same day and then dismembered his body.

    Ever since, authorities have sanctioned a drip-feed of leaks: of video footage showing Khashoggi entering the building on the afternoon of 2 October, the names of the 15 Saudis who arrived – all of whom were linked to the state security apparatus – and the flight logs of the private jets they flew in and out on. The jets were rented from a Riyadh company that routinely leases planes to the Saudi government.

    Turkish intelligence officers have told their counterparts in the CIA that they have an audio recording and partial videotape of the moment Khashoggi was killed. They have suggested that the end of Khashoggi’s life was captured on an Apple watch he was wearing that was synced to an iPhone held by his fiancee, Hatice Cengiz, waiting outside. Suspicion in western intelligence circles, however, is that the Turks had the consulate bugged. Khashoggi has not been seen since he entered the building, and Riyadh has been unable to produce evidence supporting its claim that he walked away a free man after finalising his divorce papers. Faced with evidence, Saudi officials have offered strenuous denials and deflection; this, they say, was a conspiracy led by regional foe Qatar, supported by its allies in Ankara.

    The state television network Al Arabiya has even raised the Salisbury spire defence, claiming the 15 Saudis, who came and went within hours, were “tourists” – just like the Russian assassins widely accused of poisoning the Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia with a state-made nerve agent in the Wiltshire cathedral city.

    Now nearing a third year in office, Trump, who has embraced the man known throughout Washington as MbS, has been forced into uncharacteristically cautious language when addressing the allegations, even if he warned there would be “severe punishment” for Riyadh, if it turned out that Khashoggi had indeed been killed in the consulate.

    Having a robust regional voice as a bulwark against Iran has been the central plank of Trump’s foreign policy. And so far the US leader seems to view the allegations as an inconvenience, not a game changer.

    Last week the US national security adviser, John Bolton, appeared to add weight to Riyadh’s conspiracy claims, suggesting that Ankara and Riyadh had long been rivals, and that some kind of “operation” might have taken place.

    The Trump family’s ties to MbS extend beyond a shared view on Iran. The president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has established warm personal and professional ties, as have key members of an influential US business network and the secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, who has spent dozens of hours with the crown prince in his royal diwan, or a tent in the desert, where he often retreats for weekends.

    European officials in Riyadh and elsewhere in the region say MbS has drawn inspiration from the fact that Trump, unlike most other modern US leaders, has disavowed making humanitarian concerns a pillar of his foreign policy – and has openly embraced authoritarianism.

    Trump repeatedly claims that the US no longer sets the world order – except on Iran – and has pointedly eased pressure on states that previous administrations claimed had long fallen short on human rights and governance. The result has been a vacuum in global leadership, emboldening leaders who might otherwise have checked their behaviour, a Riyadh-based western ambassador said.

    “Relationships are being redefined. People know there are no limits,” the ambassador said. “If ever there was a case study of the post-fact Middle East, this is it. There is impunity all around.”

    Inside the kingdom, where a crackdown on dissent has left much of society unwilling to speak publicly, there is widespread belief that Khashoggi’s disappearance was indeed a conspiracy orchestrated by its enemies. Some former security officials, however, sense that it may instead mark a crack in the new regime.

    “The realignment of the [national intelligence service reporting directly to MbS] has been a disaster,” said an adviser to one such official. “It has become a hyper-political tool for the diwan … that has removed any semblance of accountability and encouraged abuse of power on a scale I have not witnessed before in modern times. There has been a broad descent into authoritarianism. The scale and pace of repression have destroyed any embryonic seeds of civil society and discourse. There really is no limit to the consequences of even polite disagreement, let alone dissent.”

    With much of Turkey’s evidence against Saudi Arabia now publicly laid bare, Ankara – and Riyadh – are both turning to Washington to find a way out of a crisis with seemingly endless dimensions. Turkey on Friday agreed to a joint probe with Riyadh into what took place – an arrangement that was brokered by senior officials, suggesting power politics may end up taking precedence over the truth behind Khashoggi’s disappearance.

    Turkey does not need investigative help to establish Khashoggi’s fate. Listening devices and camera footage, which it has not yet revealed, offer incriminating evidence. It does, however, need political cover to navigate a problem that could have significant trade and investment considerations.

    Riyadh faces a more imminent blow to its trade agenda, with an investment conference set for 23 October at risk of a boycott from media partners and high-profile global companies, in protest at the lack of answers from Saudi officials.

    “They have belatedly realised the stakes in this,” said one of the British officials at the 2016 meeting with the crown prince. “And he has been shocked to learn that the absolute power he has at home he doesn’t have abroad. Even in Turkey there are rules. Putin learned the same in the UK. And if this guy is going to survive this, he is going to be indebted to Ankara and Turkey for sparing everyone from the shocking truth.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/13/saudi-arabia-khashoggi-chulov

    And come on mods, ease up.

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    Re: Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    Yes we all known Western governments record, there's as always a lot of smoke and mirrors, doesn't detract from the wrongness of whats happened to Jamal Khashoggi. We need to know what happened.
    The fact of the matter is, no we don't really need to know anything especially when it's concerning the legislation of another country. What's going to really change in your life?? Absolutely nothing.

    It isn't coincidence that this story has been popularized after Canada's little tweet condemning the Kingdom's right to hold prisoners and the kingdom's response to remove themselves from canada. The hypocrisy of it all.


    Quote Originally Posted by urkahnkhan View Post
    the whole story is so damn random and pushed down the throats of the public.. how many people do politically get killed yearly? or kidnapped? it's in the 100s and yet again they are talking about this incident as if we are dealing with an angel who was killed or kidnapped. I never buy into MSM hysteria and they always have an agenda but they are gettin more desparate and amaturish just spamming random stories like this
    Completely agree. But the sad thing is that the story just doesn't make sense, and when that happens that's a clear red flag that there are a lot of lies and speculation being pushed as truth which is terrifying.

    For example, a few years ago there was a story that came out about a man getting kicked out of a festival in Riyadh for being "too handsome" AS SOON AS I HEARD IT i knew it was completely false, and it turned out it was indeed completely false, but anyone who's heard this story probably still believes it to be true today because of how popular it became. It's like as soon as anyone hears anything negative about Saudi Arabia they get all giddy without even looking at hardcore facts. They're actually not even in the position to see the facts. It's like watching a game with blind eyes. You hear the ball, but you dont know who's scoring, where the ball is going, or who's even playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    The fact of the matter is, no we don't really need to know anything especially when it's concerning the legislation of another country. What's going to really change in your life?? Absolutely nothing.

    It isn't coincidence that this story has been popularized after Canada's little tweet condemning the Kingdom's right to hold prisoners and the kingdom's response to remove themselves from canada. The hypocrisy of it all.




    Completely agree. But the sad thing is that the story just doesn't make sense, and when that happens that's a clear red flag that there are a lot of lies and speculation being pushed as truth which is terrifying.

    For example, a few years ago there was a story that came out about a man getting kicked out of a festival in Riyadh for being "too handsome" AS SOON AS I HEARD IT i knew it was completely false, and it turned out it was indeed completely false, but anyone who's heard this story probably still believes it to be true today because of how popular it became. It's like as soon as anyone hears anything negative about Saudi Arabia they get all giddy without even looking at hardcore facts. They're actually not even in the position to see the facts. It's like watching a game with blind eyes. You hear the ball, but you dont know who's scoring, where the ball is going, or who's even playing.
    Actually we want to know regardless of whether we need or not. As long as we dont pay attention for such unlawful murders we become the slaves of the sate in place of citizents. You wont have any right one day if the same injustice is done to you or your loved ones. I feel pity for any man who is done unjust. Thats the requirement of being a human being. And with this mentality of ignoring we can never know those real actors playing background.
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    Re: Missing Saudi journalist's fiancee asks for Trump's help

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    Quote Originally Posted by *charisma* View Post
    The fact of the matter is, no we don't really need to know anything especially when it's concerning the legislation of another country. What's going to really change in your life?? Absolutely nothing.

    It isn't coincidence that this story has been popularized after Canada's little tweet condemning the Kingdom's right to hold prisoners and the kingdom's response to remove themselves from canada. The hypocrisy of it all.
    You may take a nonchalant attitude but Id rather take a more sober attitude, I'm a purveyor of news so what happens to journalists concerns me, this is a serious problem in Pakistan. Plus actions like has intended or unintended consequences that few can predict. I'm sure the Saudis leadership couldn't predict the reaction they would receive.

    Lets wait for the investigation, see what evidence is presented. Then we can make up our own minds.

    Actually we want to know regardless of whether we need or not. As long as we dont pay attention for such unlawful murders we become the slaves of the sate in place of citizents. You wont have any right one day if the same injustice is done to you or your loved ones. I feel pity for any man who is done unjust. Thats the requirement of being a human being. And with this mentality of ignoring we can never know those real actors playing background.
    Thanks for the dose of sanity bro, I thought we were meant to be concerned with justice, decency, fairness? If this was a Mossad operation and it was proven that Mossad were involved (beyond reasonable doubt) we would not hesitate to condemn them.

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