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    Venezuela - regime change? (OP)


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    Americans are interested in more 'regime' change'. This time in Venezuela, short video that will get you up to speed on the situation (American perspective).

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    Donald Trump may be the main thing keeping Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro going...

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post
    I am sure the West has nothing to do with Venezuela's hyper inflation. Just like the West has nothing to do with Iran's hyperinflation, or Turkey's inflation. Or Russia's 4 year long recession.

    What a coincidence that illiberal countries who oppose the West are the only ones whose economy ends up struggling. Very interesting indeed.

    I wasn't born yesterday.
    I encourage you to investigate Venezuela's monetary policy more closely.

    Chavez assumed strict control over Venezuelan currency in the early 2000s. Hyperinflation began during that period due to government mismanagement, and it continues today. Maduro recently pinned the new Bolivar (devalued at something like 95%) to his own cryptocurrency, the Petro. The big bad West did not enforce any of those decisions.

    What a coincidence that autocratic governments that assume absolute control over their currencies and start printing money like crazy tend to experience hyperinflation.

    Dan Edge

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    I encourage you to investigate Venezuela's monetary policy more closely.

    Chavez assumed strict control over Venezuelan currency in the early 2000s. Hyperinflation began during that period due to government mismanagement, and it continues today. Maduro recently pinned the new Bolivar (devalued at something like 95%) to his own cryptocurrency, the Petro. The big bad West did not enforce any of those decisions.

    What a coincidence that autocratic governments that assume absolute control over their currencies and start printing money like crazy tend to experience hyperinflation.

    Dan Edge
    Yet autocratic rulers backed by the West flourish.

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post
    I am sure the West has nothing to do with Venezuela's hyper inflation. Just like the West has nothing to do with Iran's hyperinflation, or Turkey's inflation. Or Russia's 4 year long recession.

    What a coincidence that illiberal countries who oppose the West are the only ones whose economy ends up struggling. Very interesting indeed.

    I wasn't born yesterday.
    Yet those countries' situation is still not comparable to Venezuela, they don't have shortages on basic goods and crazy high crime rates.Apparently the Venezuelan regime succeeded to mismanage their country on a Mugabe's Zimbabwe level. That's really an achievment.
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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

    Quote Originally Posted by alfaqir View Post
    Yet those countries' situation is still not comparable to Venezuela, they don't have shortages on basic goods and crazy high crime rates.Apparently the Venezuelan regime succeeded to mismanage their country on a Mugabe's Zimbabwe level. That's really an achievment.
    1 dollar is worth around 150,000 Iranian dial I think. So Iran's economy is in very bad shape. Just like Venezuela Iran kept itself alive by allying with certain states.

    The problem is not that socialism or Islamic systems are inherently bad. Problem is the West is home of the Banks and controls most of the world's wealth. So they can apply economic pressure to make any system look bad.

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

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    More on the problems of Venezuela.



    More recent.



    1 dollar is worth around 150,000 Iranian dial I think. So Iran's economy is in very bad shape. Just like Venezuela Iran kept itself alive by allying with certain states.

    The problem is not that socialism or Islamic systems are inherently bad. Problem is the West is home of the Banks and controls most of the world's wealth. So they can apply economic pressure to make any system look bad.
    Brother I agree but its not black and white. The economic policy followed by recent governments in Venuzuela has been very very problematic but this doesnt justify outside powers (no doubt being led by the USA) installing its own lapdog and taking over its economy in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy', 'human rights' etc etc ad nauseum.

    The routine gets old after a while and many are wise to it.



    There has to be a solution that benifets the people of Venezuela, its neigbours and the surrounding region. If outside powers genuinely want to help then good but if not then they should stay away.
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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    More on the problems of Venezuela.



    More recent.





    The economic policy followed by recent governments in Venuzuela has been very very problematic but this doesnt justify outside powers (no doubt being led by the USA) installing its own lapdog and taking over its economy in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy', 'human rights' etc etc ad nauseum.

    The routine gets old after a while and many are wise to it.

    I agree that United States involvement is undesirable, but how can one consider Guaidó anyone's lap dog? Venezuelans elected him to the position that he is in right now (Head of Assembly). The Venezuelans protesting all over the world and in Venezuela want him to be President.

    Venezuelans will not let Maduro stay in power, and I doubt Maduro is going down without a fight. Hopefully, the Venezuelan military will depose him on their own. But if they don't, and the fighting starts, then a lot of innocent people are going to get killed.

    If that happens, then the United States may well send it's 5,000 battle ready troops from Colombia into Venezuela. We could defeat the Loyalists within a week. It wouldn't be like Afghanistan because there is no popular support for Maduro (his approval ratings were below 20% during the 2018 elections, yet he still won, go figure). Guaidó would take over and they could start getting to work healing their country. The 3 million+ refugees could start to come home.

    If civil war starts in Venezuela, are we to do nothing, even if Venezuelans ask us to intervene? It is a complex moral question to be sure. My view: we stay out of it unless and until violence starts to erupt. If Maduro starts murdering his own people to protect his position of power, then I would support US intervention.

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    Americans are interested in more 'regime' change'. This time in Venezuela, short video that will get you up to speed on the situation (American perspective).

    Blurb

    Donald Trump may be the main thing keeping Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro going...

    This is what I've been saying too. A century of US dominance of Latin America through various dirty means has led to US influence having become utterly toxic. When Trump first murmured about pulling off a regime change in 2017, the Venezuelan opposition had to go overboard to denounce and condemn any such thing, knowing fully well that being seen as standing up to US domination is good for Maduro's approval rating.

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    I encourage you to investigate Venezuela's monetary policy more closely.

    Chavez assumed strict control over Venezuelan currency in the early 2000s. Hyperinflation began during that period due to government mismanagement, and it continues today. Maduro recently pinned the new Bolivar (devalued at something like 95%) to his own cryptocurrency, the Petro. The big bad West did not enforce any of those decisions.

    What a coincidence that autocratic governments that assume absolute control over their currencies and start printing money like crazy tend to experience hyperinflation.

    Dan Edge


    Ummm, hows abouts the sanctions and the cia money printing, the worthless "bank of" de la rue notes which most international money exchangers on the streets refuse to accept, and the constant attacks via corrupt sellout mafia politicians who meet in secret with the american government, similar stuff happened in zimbabwe when he attempted to nationalize the diamond mines after stating that previous corrupt administrations were shills who had simply been doing the mir jafar ali khan on behalf of eic - oh the way the rothschild associated diamond companies went beserk after he let his common people into the diamond fields .... but then he was forced to back doen and they were ripped apart by helicopter gunships before the british companies retook control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    I agree that United States involvement is undesirable, but how can one consider Guaidó anyone's lap dog? Venezuelans elected him to the position that he is in right now (Head of Assembly). The Venezuelans protesting all over the world and in Venezuela want him to be President.

    Venezuelans will not let Maduro stay in power, and I doubt Maduro is going down without a fight. Hopefully, the Venezuelan military will depose him on their own. But if they don't, and the fighting starts, then a lot of innocent people are going to get killed.

    If that happens, then the United States may well send it's 5,000 battle ready troops from Colombia into Venezuela. We could defeat the Loyalists within a week. It wouldn't be like Afghanistan because there is no popular support for Maduro (his approval ratings were below 20% during the 2018 elections, yet he still won, go figure). Guaidó would take over and they could start getting to work healing their country. The 3 million+ refugees could start to come home.

    If civil war starts in Venezuela, are we to do nothing, even if Venezuelans ask us to intervene? It is a complex moral question to be sure. My view: we stay out of it unless and until violence starts to erupt. If Maduro starts murdering his own people to protect his position of power, then I would support US intervention.

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    yep the west intervenes, and everyone lives happily ever after. lol

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

    another day, another money & power thing as usual..

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

    https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...TCe0DG-7uyrvqk

    Juan Guaido, Venezuela's US-backed self-declared president, said he was working to restore ties with Israel a decade after the country severed relations with the Jewish state in solidarity with the Palestinian people.


    Guaido said "I am very happy to report that the process of stabilising relations with Israel is at its height," in a quote pulled by Reuters from an Israel Hayom interview.


    Israel joined the United States, Canada and a host of South American countries "in recognising the new leadership in Venezuela" last month. 50 countries now recognise the hopeful leader.

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    Re: Venezuela - regime change?

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    Another update, oh dear not him.



    Being questioned on his record.







    'History doesnt repeat but it does rhyme'. A look at his past record. This was during the 1980s.



    The drums of war are beating.



    USA concern for defending bringing 'freedom' and 'democracy' has always been very selective.



    Wasnt expecting this cracks in the MSM narrative.

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