AKP lost İstanbul and Ankara

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

Manzikert started Turkey and Atatürk restarted it. There is such a connection. Also the date the 26 August is of both the manzikert in 1071 and the great assault of the Turkish salvation war in 1922.

Islamism’s first political victory in Turkey was Erdoğan’s election as the mayor of İstanbul and Melih Gökçek of Ankara in 1994. This evantualy gave birth to AKP. This is why its much more important to Erdoğan

Sorry to be rude but that is nonsense. The whole point of Kemal was to sever Turkey's ties with Islam. To that end he promoted pre-Islamic Turkish history like the Scythians.

The Seljuk Sultanate of Rum has zero connection Ideologically, culturally and with the people of the Turkish republic.

The Turkish republic was founded with motivations, ideology that is complete opposite of the Seljuks.

Either way going back to the original point, Erdogan's supporters were not entertained when he mentioned Ataturk in the Manzikert event.

Everybody knows Erdogan's ideology by now, it's naive to think just mentioning Kemal here and there will suddenly cause the secularists to like him.

He should cater to his own support base.

Salaam

Another update, this isn't good news, if they won the election fair and square they should respect the result.

Turkey Pays the Price for Erdogan’s Istanbul Election Do-Over

Its currency hit a seven-month low after the election board invalidated the opposition CHP party’s victory.

Late on May 6, Turkey’s election board invalidated the results of a March mayoral election that cost President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s AK Party control of Istanbul. The decision sent stocks tumbling, and the opposition party called the move a coup.

What’s the back story?

Erdogan has been consolidating power for the better part of the past decade. In 2017 a constitutional referendum granted him authority to appoint ministers and judges and put much of the country’s economic policy at his discretion. Last year, the day after he was sworn in to a second term, he named his son-in-law finance minister.

Why is Istanbul so important?

The city is the country’s largest metropolis and its commercial center—more important, it’s where Erdogan got his political start. AKP has built an important patronage network there, doling out contracts for infrastructure projects to Erdogan supporters. The president told lawmakers in 2016: “If we lose Istanbul, we lose Turkey.”

What happens next?

New elections have been scheduled for June 23. Some in the main opposition party, CHP, which won narrowly in the original vote, called for a boycott, saying Erdogan’s party can’t be trusted to run a free and fair ballot. But CHP’s leadership says it will campaign again for the post, and smaller parties are aligning with them.

Six weeks of political chaos present a major threat to Turkey’s economy, which slipped into its first recession in a decade just before the March vote. The lira hit a seven-month low after the election board announced its decision, while Turkish stocks erased their 2019 gains at the next morning’s market open. The central bank is likely to face pressure to stabilize the currency by raising interest rates—a move sure to anger Erdogan, who’s consistently called for keeping borrowing costs low.

How bad could things get?

Pretty bad. The lira has experienced a series of shocks in the past year and may face more if Turkey accepts a $2 billion delivery of Russian missiles. That could provoke U.S. sanctions, on top of steel tariffs put in place last year.

https://www.bloomberg.com/businessweek

Salaam

Another update

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Erdogan strikes conciliatory tone in first speech since Istanbul defeat

Party insiders tell MEE that AKP will 'lose more blood' if party fails to learn important lessons from Sunday's defeat

In his first televised appearance since Sunday's Istanbul mayoral election in which his Justice and Development Party (AKP) was dealt a stunning defeat, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan struck a softer tone.

Erdogan, addressing parliament on Tuesday, once again congratulated mayor-elect Ekrem Imamoglu, an opposition politician who was elected with a winning margin not seen in Turkey's economic and cultural capital in 30 years.

“The decision taken by Istanbul residents has a place above our heads,” Erdogan said, using an idiom to show genuine respect.

“We cannot ignore the messages handed by our nation. We will conduct our own accounting. We will analyse why we couldn’t explain ourselves to the people. We will detect our disconnections, shortcomings and mistakes and we will take the necessary steps accordingly.”

He also promised that his party would make changes in its policies in the coming days by listening to the demands of the nation and focusing on the remaining four years of his current term to undertake key reforms in the economy and defence.

“We will continue to serve uninterrupted, we can achieve anything with love,” he added.

But Erdogan was also defensive about the annulment of the March local election when Imamoglu initially was declared mayor with a mere margin of 13,000 votes. “There were problems that could have had an impact on the election results,” he said.

Erdogan will convene his party leadership later on Tuesday and is expected to debate the results extensively. A cabinet reshuffle is expected later next month, though Erdogan denied that he would make the changes just because some media reports said he would.

Critics within party voice concerns

Several sources close to the AKP told Middle East Eye that critics within the party are already flagging up policies they believe led to the defeat in Istanbul, such as pushing for a repeat election and using polarising language during the campaign period.

“If we cannot get the necessary lessons from the election results, we will lose more blood. And it will embolden the likes of intra-party opponents [former PM] Ahmet Davutoglu and Ali Babacan,” the source said.

The government-aligned flagship Sabah’s Ankara representative Okan Muderrisoglu, too, penned a harsh column on Tuesday, firing off several criticisms against the party leadership.

“People don’t think it is appropriate for the Turkish President to be a member of a political party,” he said, a change supported by Erdogan in the latest package of constitutional reforms last year.

Muderrisoglu also pointed out the fact that Istanbul residents did not like the allegations of unlawful staffing at polling stations which led to the annulment of the original election in March.

“Voters don’t like to see that suspicions were raised on ballot boxes, polling committees and institutions,” he said.

Others were bolder in their analysis of the current state of Erdogan politics.

Abdulkadir Selvi, a prominent columnist at the Hurriyet daily that is close to the AKP, wrote on Tuesday that voters were expecting sweeping changes in fundamental policies.

“The only thing that doesn’t change is change itself. If you don’t act on and make necessary changes, the people will replace you,” he said.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/e...stanbul-defeat

anatolian - there are videos of CHP Turks opening and drinking champagne infront of mosques, drinking wine on the roads, etc. I hope you are proud of yourself for supporting these apostates.

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This is for other muslims here, a hijabi here in middle of wild drunk people celebrating victory of atheist/apostate CHP party. I have been telling you guys, STOP supporting the hijabi cult (feminist munafiq). They are worse in their hypocrisy than normal non-hijabi muslim women. Stop defending them, fighting for them and worrying about them. Absolutely disgusting.

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format_quote Originally Posted by Junon

Salaam

Another update

Embedded Tweet

Erdogan strikes conciliatory tone in first speech since Istanbul defeat

Party insiders tell MEE that AKP will 'lose more blood' if party fails to learn important lessons from Sunday's defeat

In his first televised appearance since Sunday's Istanbul mayoral election in which his Justice and Development Party (AKP) was dealt a stunning defeat, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan struck a softer tone.

Erdogan, addressing parliament on Tuesday, once again congratulated mayor-elect Ekrem Imamoglu, an opposition politician who was elected with a winning margin not seen in Turkey's economic and cultural capital in 30 years.

“The decision taken by Istanbul residents has a place above our heads,” Erdogan said, using an idiom to show genuine respect.

“We cannot ignore the messages handed by our nation. We will conduct our own accounting. We will analyse why we couldn’t explain ourselves to the people. We will detect our disconnections, shortcomings and mistakes and we will take the necessary steps accordingly.”

He also promised that his party would make changes in its policies in the coming days by listening to the demands of the nation and focusing on the remaining four years of his current term to undertake key reforms in the economy and defence.

“We will continue to serve uninterrupted, we can achieve anything with love,” he added.

But Erdogan was also defensive about the annulment of the March local election when Imamoglu initially was declared mayor with a mere margin of 13,000 votes. “There were problems that could have had an impact on the election results,” he said.

Erdogan will convene his party leadership later on Tuesday and is expected to debate the results extensively. A cabinet reshuffle is expected later next month, though Erdogan denied that he would make the changes just because some media reports said he would.

Critics within party voice concerns

Several sources close to the AKP told Middle East Eye that critics within the party are already flagging up policies they believe led to the defeat in Istanbul, such as pushing for a repeat election and using polarising language during the campaign period.

“If we cannot get the necessary lessons from the election results, we will lose more blood. And it will embolden the likes of intra-party opponents [former PM] Ahmet Davutoglu and Ali Babacan,” the source said.

The government-aligned flagship Sabah’s Ankara representative Okan Muderrisoglu, too, penned a harsh column on Tuesday, firing off several criticisms against the party leadership.

“People don’t think it is appropriate for the Turkish President to be a member of a political party,” he said, a change supported by Erdogan in the latest package of constitutional reforms last year.

Muderrisoglu also pointed out the fact that Istanbul residents did not like the allegations of unlawful staffing at polling stations which led to the annulment of the original election in March.

“Voters don’t like to see that suspicions were raised on ballot boxes, polling committees and institutions,” he said.

Others were bolder in their analysis of the current state of Erdogan politics.

Abdulkadir Selvi, a prominent columnist at the Hurriyet daily that is close to the AKP, wrote on Tuesday that voters were expecting sweeping changes in fundamental policies.

“The only thing that doesn’t change is change itself. If you don’t act on and make necessary changes, the people will replace you,” he said.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/e...stanbul-defeat

From what Turks told me, one of the main reason was shift of nationalist votes due to Bolu CHP mayor succesfully kciking out Syrian refugees. There are about 1.2 million arabs in Istambul, people feel threatened. And recently there was a case of a group of Syrian men raping and killing a turkish girl (what a surprise!) plus they remember the drunk dancing Syrians from new years day.

But still the loss was unprecedented. Erdogan should have followed by opinion and made his mega projects in Konya instead of Istanbul. Should have left Istanbul like it was in 2002.

format_quote Originally Posted by anatolian

Which is a worse sin? Drinking alchohol or violating huququl ibad? CHP guys are drinking alcholol but the AKP guys are violating huququl ibad.

CHP guys spread hate as well, look at what they and "iyi" party guys say about refugees. theyre all the same garbage. except maybe HDP, but they have their own problems. also, im starting to recognize the dangers on a theological level (as well as some of the things they potentially did, when i was too young to remember) those "poor gulenists". i stopped attending their mosque anyway. but the hdp, aside from omer faruk gergergioglu, and (was it huda kaya? i dont think that was it but maybe wrong) mostly defends rights of kurds and ethnic minorities and religious minorities . that's noble. but they dont seem to have much else to stand on.

i still think the turkish government is not doing the right thing with regard to gulenists, though. theyre doing an even worse evil to gulenists that gulenists did to kemalists. or perhaps equal, i was too young to remember.

format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth

anatolian - there are videos of CHP Turks opening and drinking champagne infront of mosques, drinking wine on the roads, etc. I hope you are proud of yourself for supporting these apostates.

Attachment 6721

This is for other muslims here, a hijabi here in middle of wild drunk people celebrating victory of atheist/apostate CHP party. I have been telling you guys, STOP supporting the hijabi cult (feminist munafiq). They are worse in their hypocrisy than normal non-hijabi muslim women. Stop defending them, fighting for them and worrying about them. Absolutely disgusting.

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From what Turks told me, one of the main reason was shift of nationalist votes due to Bolu CHP mayor succesfully kciking out Syrian refugees. There are about 1.2 million arabs in Istambul, people feel threatened. And recently there was a case of a group of Syrian men raping and killing a turkish girl (what a surprise!) plus they remember the drunk dancing Syrians from new years day.

But still the loss was unprecedented. Erdogan should have followed by opinion and made his mega projects in Konya instead of Istanbul. Should have left Istanbul like it was in 2002.

that story of them sexually assaulting a young turkish girl is a lie, police said it was a story of a twelve year old syrian boy beckoning a twelve year old girl to his window blown out of proportion, followed by a lynch mob targeting syrians. i dont know who's telling the truth, but if you want to make a case that an entire population is in general more guilty of wrongdoing (because all populations have criminals), don't just cite a few anecdotes and your historical hatred for arabs based on 1971 or the fall of the ottoman empire. every population, especially that of a few million people, will consist of criminals. and it is no coincidence that most migrants are young men. it's not a conspiracy, it's a well documented law of human geography! (social science discipline!)