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    Re: Looming Iran-USA War/Tensions

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    But there is something wrong about iranian nuclear program. Sure, they have enough resources to do it long ago.
    Looks more like a game. Perhaps any powers in Iran who really aims for it being neutralized and Iran itself plays a role of a decoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Physicist View Post
    But there is something wrong about iranian nuclear program. Sure, they have enough resources to do it long ago.
    Looks more like a game. Perhaps any powers in Iran who really aims for it being neutralized and Iran itself plays a role of a decoy
    I think Iran was serious about it once. Many of their intermediate ballistic missiles have capability to have nuclear war head. And they even kept it hidden from Russia who is their closest global ally.

    I think sometime around 2009, they changed the course and decided against it. Big mistake IMO, they should have gotten a dozen bombs. They made a suicidal deal with Americans, and a few years late USA just tore it down. They made same mistake as Gaddafi. Poor policy

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    But it seems that Russia is in similar situation long time.
    They don't invent anything anymore.
    Those stories about secret weapons like dron-submarine and rocket with nuclear propulsion are just fake stories to excite US public and increase military budget + allow continue reaserch on it.
    Perhaps they were even ordered to fake launch tests but failed. Leak of Ru isotope makes think so.
    Heard about many cases when inventors were arrested on forged grounds. Most of course left the country.
    So, now they can nourish propaganda but be sure that nothing real would come up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Physicist View Post
    But it seems that Russia is in similar situation long time.
    They don't invent anything anymore.
    Those stories about secret weapons like dron-submarine and rocket with nuclear propulsion are just fake stories to excite US public and increase military budget + allow continue reaserch on it.
    Perhaps they were even ordered to fake launch tests but failed. Leak of Ru isotope makes think so.
    Heard about many cases when inventors were arrested on forged grounds. Most of course left the country.
    So, now they can nourish propaganda but be sure that nothing real would come up.
    I don't think so. Their defense system S-400 is much more valued by the world than US Patriots or THAAD. Countries like Turkey and India have burnt bridges to buy the S-400.

    They also made their first 5th gen jet Su-57 which is the second best in the world.

    Also don't forget about the Satan-2 ICBMs that were showcased a couple of years ago.

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    I've seen less positive comments on those products. However, a few well controlled old producers from kept working.
    I even doubt if they have working nuclear arsenal, because Pu cores have to be recycled periodically due to accumulation of fission products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Physicist View Post
    I've seen less positive comments on those products. However, a few well controlled old producers from kept working.
    I even doubt if they have working nuclear arsenal, because Pu cores have to be recycled periodically due to accumulation of fission products.
    Such as? Russia hasn't even sold Su-57s. Their main sales are Su-30s and some Su-35s, which are great jets. Yes Mig-29s are pretty aweful.

    S-400 less positive comments? From which comments? Apart from state sponsored ABMs like US GMD or Russia's A135, they are THE best anti-air and anti-missile system on the market.

    Also USA's flagship jet project F-35 has had a load of flaws and problems which has delayed the project and cost USA immense money (over a trillion dollars on this one project).

    "I even doubt if they have working nuclear arsenal, because Pu cores have to be recycled periodically due to accumulation of fission products."

    Why would you doubt? Russia is a world power. They don't need to tell you what they are doing publicly all the time.

    The only sector Russia has fallen behind is space research

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    I wasn't looking myself into those weapon systems. Well, you can read various opinions, praising or dismissing, doesn't matter, some old toys rooted in soviet era is not an indicator.
    I judge by the overall situation, ways of management, moods in research society, sad stories of entrepreneurs, multiple failures from individual tests to big projects like Skolkovo, etc.
    Too much waste in human resources and industries for mere coverup.
    I would rather believe in ruines rather than in secret facilities.

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    Re: Looming Iran-USA War/Tensions

    From what I read at the time and reviewed recently, the US-Iran nuclear deal looked pretty good for us. I'm still not exactly sure what the current administration doesn't like about it.

    In any case, I think it was Trump that got us here by pulling out of the deal. He backed both himself and Iran leadership into a corner. What else can we do now except take pot shots at each other?

    Hopefully things will just simmer and not boil over until we get a new executive in the US in 2020. Whoever it is will be very likely to negotiate a new deal. No one will like the deal, as usual, but it's probably better than us killing each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    From what I read at the time and reviewed recently, the US-Iran nuclear deal looked pretty good for us. I'm still not exactly sure what the current administration doesn't like about it.

    In any case, I think it was Trump that got us here by pulling out of the deal. He backed both himself and Iran leadership into a corner. What else can we do now except take pot shots at each other?

    Hopefully things will just simmer and not boil over until we get a new executive in the US in 2020. Whoever it is will be very likely to negotiate a new deal. No one will like the deal, as usual, but it's probably better than us killing each other.
    You are confident Trump will win. If Biden is the candidate, Trump will crush him.

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    Salaam

    This is going to end well. . . . .

    Iran: New US sanctions target Supreme Leader Khamenei

    US President Donald Trump has said he is imposing hard-hitting new sanctions on Iran, including on the office of the country's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.

    Mr Trump said the additional sanctions were in response to the shooting down of a US drone and "many other things".

    Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran's highest authority, was singled out because he was "ultimately responsible for the hostile conduct of the regime".

    Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said the Americans "despise diplomacy".

    In a tweet sent after the announcement, Mr Zarif also accused the Trump administration of having a "thirst for war".

    Tensions between the two countries have been escalating in recent weeks.

    However, US Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said Mr Trump's executive order - which would lock up "billions" of dollars in Iranian assets - was in the works before Tehran shot down an unmanned US drone in the Gulf last week.

    The UN Security has urged calm and the use of diplomacy.

    Who is affected?

    The US Treasury department said eight senior Iranian commanders who "sit atop a bureaucracy that supervises the IRGC's [the elite Islamic Revolution Guard Corps] malicious regional activities", were being targeted.

    It added that Mr Trump's executive order would also "deny Iran's leadership access to financial resources and authorises the targeting of persons appointed to certain official or other positions by the Supreme Leader or the Supreme Leader's Office", as well as foreign financial institutions which help them conduct transitions.

    Sanctions will also be imposed on Mr Zarif later this week, according to Mr Mnuchin.

    Tightening its squeeze


    Putting sanctions on the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is significant. He is indeed the Supreme Leader, with the ultimate say in Iran's politics and military - and he has enormous economic power.

    He supervises an organisation known as Setad, which confiscated property abandoned after the 1979 revolution and morphed into a business juggernaut with holdings of about $95bn (£75bn).

    Setad was already under US sanctions, but President Trump has gone further, targeting anyone connected to the Ayatollah - presumably including those sitting on company boards, or officials in his extensive "shadow government".

    So the US administration is tightening the squeeze on already draconian oil and financial sanctions and waiting to see if Tehran will eventually be forced to capitulate and accept negotiations.

    The US is demanding that Iran end its nuclear programme, curb its missile production and stop support for partner Arab militias.

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has said the "maximum pressure" campaign is denying Iran revenue to support its regional military operations.

    That might be the more important goal for hawks such as Mr Pompeo, who has said he doesn't believe the Iranian regime can change in the way the US administration is demanding.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48748544

    Blurb

    Donald Trump announced new sanctions yesterday, but Iran's President has responded by calling them "useless, outrageous and idiotic," adding that the White House appears to be "afflicted by mental retardation".

    Last edited by Junon; 06-25-2019 at 07:30 PM.

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    You are confident Trump will win. If Biden is the candidate, Trump will crush him.
    Trump approval ratings are pretty poor. He appeals to his base, but does very poorly with Independents like me. I just can't see him winning. Then again, I never thought he was going to win last time. We shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanEdge View Post
    Trump approval ratings are pretty poor. He appeals to his base, but does very poorly with Independents like me. I just can't see him winning. Then again, I never thought he was going to win last time. We shall see.
    They are at 40%+. Which is near Obama's at the end of his term.

    Looking at Biden's opinions on Mexicans, racial segregation, etc he seems as bad if not worse than Trump.
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    Re: Looming Iran-USA War/Tensions

    Salaam

    Another update.



    More comment.

    A tanker for a tanker

    I don't see what Great Britain has to complain about, considering that they quite literally started it.

    TWO British oil tankers with dozens of crew on board were seized by Iran's Revolutionary Guards less than an hour apart today in the Gulf.

    The Government's Cobra committee is holding an emergency meeting in Whitehall tonight after the Stena Impero and Mesdar were halted by troops in speedboats and helicopters and diverted to Iran.

    The raids came exactly two weeks after Royal Marines boarded a supertanker off Gibraltar suspected of carrying Iranian crude oil to Syria - prompting Tehran to threaten "retaliation".

    British-flagged Stena Impero was sailing to the Saudi port of Jubail today but ship tracking data shows it veered off course with a sharp turn north at around 4.17pm UK time. Iran's state news agency IRNA said it had been "impounded" and claimed the tanker had turned off its tracker, ignored warnings from the Revolutionary Guards and was sailing in the wrong direction in a shipping lane.

    The Impero was surrounded by four vessels and a helicopter. State-controlled TV claimed the ship was seized because it was "violating international maritime rules". Less than an hour later at around 5pm the Mesdar - Liberian-flagged but operated by the UK firm Norbulk Shipping UK - also turned sharply north towards Iran's coast having been surrounded by ten speedboats after passing westward through the Strait on its way to Ras Tanura.
    It looks like the neoclowns couldn't get President Trump to bite, so they've got Theresa May doing their bidding in the hopes of enmeshing the US military that way. I suspect they're desperate to start a war in the Gulf in the hopes of creating a distraction from the coming Epstein-related arrests. And I very much doubt that either the President or the U.S. Navy is going to fall for the neoclown antics.

    One article on the Daily Mail finally gets around to admitting that the Iranian response was both provoked and measured by the initial British action.

    Fears were raised that the Iranian authorities were trying to seize a UK ship in retaliation for the detention of the Grace 1 tanker. The Iranian ship was detained off the coast of Gibraltar on July 4 after it was suspected of violating EU sanctions by carrying a cargo of crude oil destined for Syria. The ship's captain, chief officer and two second officers were arrested and bailed and an investigation is ongoing.

    Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei called the tanker's seizure an act of 'piracy' on Tuesday and warned the UK to expect a response.
    Of course they knew Iran would do something like this. However, I expect they were looking for a more violent escalation. It's a little hard to bang the war drums when the other side is obviously just responding in kind to your own actions.

    http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/07/a...or-tanker.html

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    Last edited by Junon; 07-21-2019 at 01:53 AM.

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    LOLOL!!! Iran is making a mockery out of 'superpower' USA and UK

    And now UK says it wants diplomatic solution!

    They're too chicken to fight Iran!!!

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    If this war happens then it will be because it is part of God’s plan and in the long run it will benefit Islam even if it take centuries to realize that benefit.

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    I'm not a big fan of Iran but I feel bad for them right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamzasyyf View Post
    I'm not a big fan of Iran but I feel bad for them right now.
    They're the troublemakers in the region bruv, don't feel bad for them. If it kicks off let's hope this will be the end of this wicked regime

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    They're the troublemakers in the region bruv, don't feel bad for them. If it kicks off let's hope this will be the end of this wicked regime
    You don't know what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahmed. View Post
    They're the troublemakers in the region bruv, don't feel bad for them. If it kicks off let's hope this will be the end of this wicked regime
    No they are not. They are only doing things in their defense. USA and UK are the oppressors and we should never support any oppression against anyone. This is exactly how non Muslims play against us, “Divide and rule.” Muslims need to be united on all fronts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HabibUrrehman View Post
    No they are not. They are only doing things in their defense. USA and UK are the oppressors and we should never support any oppression against anyone. This is exactly how non Muslims play against us, “Divide and rule.” Muslims need to be united on all fronts.
    But they're attacking Saudi oil ships aren't they bruv?


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