I find it to be very telling of how easy it is to insult the intelligence of docile and passive people who are directly affected by these issues - when crimes are more and more frequently presented by the corrupt, secularist, satanist media machines in the context and narrative framework of elections whilst the trolling machines churn out a fake image of popular support for fraudulently "elected" "leaders" who are not much more than puppets for their usurer controllers.
It's obviously easier to get them to keep their heads down, keep calm, and carry on working like battery hens as their futures and those of their children are hijacked and torn to shreds - when the same people are living in a matrix where they are deceived into thinking that the "democratic majority" is in favour of an opinion - despite the actual majority thinking otherwise. But rarely do common people want to stand against the perceived majority - especially in a "democracy".
As the saying goes: "Fair's fair in the FAIRGROUND" .
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Attacking Iran is inevitable. For years, israel has been planting the seed that Iran needs to be dealt with. It’s just a matter of shaping up and prepping the region before it can happen. It makes no difference who the president is.
Attacking Iran is inevitable. For years, israel has been planting the seed that Iran needs to be dealt with. It’s just a matter of shaping up and prepping the region before it can happen. It makes no difference who the president is.
Saudis and UAE are also pushing for war.
This is the same UAE that has built hindu temples with extremist BJP supporters and built Buddha statue.
Iran is not innocent but they are better than those apostate countries (yes I did mass takfir, deal with it), I hope Allah protects the Iranian leadership.
In my opinion, President Trump's recent drum beating over Iran is a complete diversion to try to draw public attention away from the investigations into his administration and family. The headlines sat that we are sending over a thousand more troops to the region, but this is intentionally misleading. A large portion of those troops are already there, and are simply having their tours extended.
It seems to me that the Iranian leadership is using the same tactic towards the same end -- using sharp hawkish rhetoric about the evil American empire to draw attention away from their domestic problems.
Despite all the international smack talking, I seriously doubt that the US and Iran are headed for war anytime soon. The younger generation of both countries seem wiser and more peaceful than their forefathers in this regard. Bush's misguided and costly Iraq War was a huge lesson for us. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail, and we will re-establish good relations with Iran once Trump gets booted out of office next year.
The younger generation of both countries seem wiser and more peaceful than their forefathers in this regard. Bush's misguided and costly Iraq War was a huge lesson for us. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail, and we will re-establish good relations with Iran once Trump gets booted out of office next year.
It is true a lot of Iranians are atheists and irreligious.
But according to most statistics, Gen Z is/will be the most right-wing generation in American history.
Saudi Arabia doesn't like Iran for many, many reasons. But why are they willing to risk a destabilizing war in their backyard? It's all about oil money.
Iranian perspective
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We speak to Iranian Professor Seyed Mohammed Marandi on David Horowitz' allegations about Iran being medieval and barbaric as well as the Gulf of Oman tanker incident which Western powers such as the US and UK allege to be Iran's doing.
Summary
Let's hope it doesn't get hot, the last thing this region needs is more war.
Iran slams US as Trump says drone downing may have been a mistake
Iranian forces downed US drone, raising fears of major military confrontation between Tehran and Washington in the Gulf.
President Donald Trump says he does not believe the shooting down of a US military drone by Iran was "intentional", in an apparent turnaround amid fears the escalating tensions between the two countries could spark an open confrontation in the Gulf.
Hours after tweeting on Thursday that "Iran had made a very big mistake" in downing the unmanned aircraft, Trump told reporters that it could have an error by a "loose and stupid" Iranian general.
Earlier in the day, the two countries offered differing accounts over the incident.
Washington said one of its drones had been downed in international airspace over the Strait of Hormuz by an Iranian surface-to-air missile. But Tehran disputed where the incident took place, saying the drone had violated Iranian airspace over the southern coastal province of Hormozgan.
Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, in a Twitter post, gave the exact coordinates at which he said the drone was shot, adding that Iran has retrieved sections of the drone from its territorial waters.
Condemning Washington's "new aggression", he pledged to prove the Iranian case at the United Nations.
The incident marked the first direct Iranian-claimed attack on US assets and came amid heightened tensions between the US and Iran, triggered by Trump's decision last year to withdraw from an international accord that curbed Tehran's nuclear programme.
The downing of the drone was also the latest in an escalating series of incidents in the Gulf since mid-May, including suspected attacks on six tankers that the US blamed on Iran.
Tehran denied involvement, but Washington has since boosted its military presence in the Gulf, citing unspecified threats from Iran. All of this has raised fears that a miscalculation or a further rise in frictions could push the US and Iran into an open conflict.
"Iran made a very big mistake," Trump told reporters at the White House.
"This country will not stand for it, that I can tell you."
Asked if the US would respond, Trump replied: "You'll soon find out". But he also appeared to downplay the incident, saying it could have been an accidental move by someone who was "loose and stupid".
"I find it hard to believe it was intentional," Trump said, adding: "I think probably Iran made a mistake - I would imagine it was a general or somebody that made a mistake in shooting that drone down."
The US military has condemned what it said was an "unprovoked attack" in international air space, after Iran shot down a US drone. (Subscribe: https://bit.ly/C4_News_Subscribe) But the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard said the drone was actually in Iranian airspace, and described the incident as a "clear and precise message to America."
Trump says he stopped airstrike on Iran because 150 would die
US president tweets that he intervened 10 minutes before planned retaliatory attack
Donald Trump has said he cancelled an airstrike on Iran with 10 minutes to go because it would not have been proportionate to have killed 150 people in retaliation for the downing of an unmanned US drone.
“We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die,” the US president tweeted on Friday. “150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not … proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone.
“I am in no hurry, our Military is rebuilt, new, and ready to go, by far the best in the world. Sanctions are biting & more added last night. Iran can NEVER have Nuclear Weapons, not against the USA, and not against the WORLD!”
It was reported overnight that Trump had given approval for the US military to launch the strikes on Iran as a reprisal for Tehran shooting down the drone, before pulling back at the last minute.
Planes were in the air and ships were in position, but no missiles had been fired when word came to stand down on Thursday night, the New York Times quoted an unnamed official as saying.
US military and diplomatic officials were expecting strikes on a handful of radar and missile sites after the president’s leading national security officials and congressional leaders gathered at the White House, the paper said. The military operation was called off about 7.30pm ET (12.30am BST).
The UK was informed of the US plan for the attack and not told the reprisal raids were off until 10pm.
On Friday, Reuters reported that Trump had passed a message to Tehran via Oman warning an attack was imminent.
“In his message, Trump said he was against any war with Iran and wanted to talk to Tehran about various issues,” an anonymous Iranian official told the news agency. “He gave a short period of time to get our response, but Iran’s immediate response was that it is up to [the] supreme leader [Ayatollah Ali] Khamenei to decide about this issue.”
A second Iranian official said: “We made it clear that the leader is against any talks, but the message will be conveyed to him to make a decision … However, we told the Omani official that any attack against Iran will have regional and international consequences.”
Oman – along with Japan, Iraq and to a lesser extent Switzerland – has acted as an intermediary for messages between Trump and the Iranian leadership.
Khamenei has repeatedly said he will not talk to the US until it lifts economic sanctions, adding that he does not trust Trump’s motives.
The reported contact with Oman suggests the White House might have been involved in brinkmanship with Tehran, but pulled back when Iran did not flinch.
US officials said Trump was known to want talks, but was also a believer in sending mixed messages to keep his adversaries guessing about his next move.
Some of his officials, notably the national security adviser, John Bolton, are thought to favour an attack.
One of the targets of the planned strikes was the S-125 Neva/Pechora surface-to-air missile system, Newsweek quoted a Pentagon official as saying. It reported that the US believed the system was behind the drone attack, although Tehran said it had used its 3rd Khordad air defence system, the Iranian equivalent of the Russian Buk system that downed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine in 2014.
The strikes were seemingly set for early in the day to minimise risk to the Iranian military and civilians.
Trump had earlier appeared keen to calm tensions following the shooting down of the US Global Hawk drone, saying blame might be on a “loose and stupid” Iranian officer acting without authorisation from Tehran.
“We didn’t have a man or woman in the drone. It would have made a big, big difference,” Trump said. Asked how the US would respond, he said: “You’ll find out.”
The downing of the unarmed aircraft was the latest of a series of incidents that have raised tensions in the Gulf. Earlier, six oil tankers were damaged in two separate attacks.
The report of the swift reversal came as the US Federal Aviation Administration banned all US airlines and aircraft from flying in Iranian airspace close to where the drone was shot down due to “heightened military activities” in the region.
On Thursday, Iran’s foreign minister and the US military offered competing graphics showing the drone’s flight path and where it was brought down.
Sardar Amir Ali Hajizadeh, a commander in Iran’s air force, claimed on Friday: “We could have targeted a US-35 P-8 American plane … but we did not do this because our goal was to bring the US drone down and to warn off the terrorist forces of the US regime.” There was no independent verification for his claim.
Hopefully there will be a peaceful protest at Downing Street; London against any coming war in Iran next Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 5 PM – 7 PM. The link is here -
Sadly the war mongers hold the cards, there is a tried and tested rhetoric for war, outlined by Herman Goering after WW2. All leaders know this.
“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
I don't approve of what Iran doing in the Middle East for obvious reasons,(Syria, Iraq, proxy wars etc, a horrendous record) however, I agree with you that another major conflict in this region will be a disaster. To be fair I don't think Trump wants this, he's tussling with shadowy actors who want this conflict to happen.
Speaking of Shadowy Actors.
Trump may chicken out on Iran, frets Israel
Up until several weeks ago, Israel assessed probability of a direct or indirect flare-up with Iran in one of the Israeli-Iranian conflict arenas as low. Until recently, Israel believed that Iran did not intend to find itself confronting the Israel Defense Forces, and that was the reason it had not responded to attacks attributed to the Israeli air force against Iranian targets in Syria, and that was also why its proxy Hezbollah was displaying restraint vis-à-vis Israeli activities against it. According to this assessment, Iran was investing most of its efforts in arranging terror attacks against Israelis in the West Bank and in encouraging and helping the Palestinian Islamic Jihad in Gaza to oppose any cease-fire deals with Israel and to continue stirring up trouble along the Gaza border.
In light of the rapidly escalating tensions between Iran and the United States in the Gulf it is in Iran’s best interest to keep upping the ante and fomenting instability along one of its fronts with Israel. A blowup, whether on the Golan Heights border with Syria or along the border with Lebanon, would give Iran a reason to keep defying the United States. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu convened the diplomacy-security cabinet on June 16 and 19 for the first time in months. The last thing he needs now is a commission of inquiry after the fact blaming him for failing to prepare and to share his preparations for the growing prospects of war with the interim caretaker government he heads.
Israel has also shifted position substantively as regards the conduct of US President Donald Trump. On June 20, for the first time in ages, unnamed Israeli analysts directed veiled criticism at Trump’s “weakness” on Iran, accusing him of being insufficiently “offensive” and slamming his confused reaction to the downing of the costly US drone over the Gulf. The report that Trump had ordered a military strike on Iranian targets only to rescind his order as the fighter jets were en route only sharpened the criticism by “diplomatic sources” described as close to Netanyahu.
It's a scenario we predicted several months ago: Trump would get cold feet once the moment of truth was at hand, lose interest or choke and avoid action. “The fact that the US did not respond to the drone downing and the attack on the tankers in the Gulf conveys weakness and boosts the self-confidence of the Revolutionary Guard,” an Israeli diplomatic source told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity. “The president does not realize that in order for pressure on Iran to succeed, the Iranians must believe that he is capable of attacking. If they understand he is playing a game of chicken with them, they will manipulate him just as they did President [Barack] Obama.”
This is of interest, Some Americans are getting tired of being involved in endless conflict.
There is no "we", Benny
The Littlest Chickenhawk wants war and he wants it now!
Disproportionate response to attacks on US assets are a good way of showing our enemies that we will mash them if they continue to escalate. The US doesn’t want war. You know who doesn’t want war even more? The ayatollahs who will find themselves quite dead if war occurs.
Our enemies? There is no "us". Benny and the neoclowns are observably more the enemies of the American people than the ayatollahs have ever been. And Benny has been going on about war with Iran for more than a decade now; he has been calling for war with Iran, as well as Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and Pakistan, since 2005.
Did Iraq pose an immediate threat to our nation? Perhaps not. But toppling Saddam Hussein and democratizing Iraq prevent his future ascendance and end his material support for future threats globally. The same principle holds true for Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan and others: Pre-emption is the chief weapon of a global empire. No one said empire was easy, but it is right and good, both for Americans and for the world.
– Benjamin Shapiro, WorldNetDaily, Aug. 11, 2005
Now, of course, Benny is claiming that he doesn't want war, he just wants to "restore deterrance". But the Littlest Chickenhawk is lying. Again. He wants war and he wants LOTS of war. He just isn't willing to enlist and fight them himself.
Blurb
Tension between Washington and Tehran are once again at their peak after two oil tankers were attacked on June 13th near the entrance to the Persian Gulf. The incidents were the second in a month, and US officials were quick to blame Iran but cited no proof. Iran, meanwhile, denied any wrongdoing. Although it’s unclear what exactly happened, the event has stoked fears that a military confrontation between Iran and the United States is imminent.
Truth, however, is the first casualty of war and so it matters little what truly happened. Yet, miscalculation, misinterpretation and bad judgement can conspire to turn a minor clash into a full-blown fight. What we want to know is how a hypothetical conflict between Iran and the United States would play out.
At least with the leftists, you don't have politicians taking shekels from Israel in return for bombing Arabs and Persians
my worst social media arguments have been with the neocons. The leftists are just a joke, but these guys are dangerous
Americans are like that school bully who keeps ***** on other guys before someone gives them a whipping.
In facebook, I have seen Americans calling for war not only against Iran but also that they will wipe out China, Russia, muzzlumz, etc. It is fascinating to see the uneducated simpletons bragging about war, not knowing that any war with China or Russia is a MAD (Mutually Assured destruction) scenario. And a few decades from now Pakistan will also achieve that status.
There are liberal "human rights" imperialists as well, but they are less in %. All the leftists I know like J. Dore, Kyle Kulinski, Rational national etc have been completely anti-war.
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Iran needs a good hiding!!! And Trump needs to become a hero to remain president in the next US elections... a recipe for a good war!!!
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