Sweden is an atheist state in all but name. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-kANR1vJkM and Sweden isn't the first Scandanavian country to impose harsh laws against islam. Denmark, Finland also have except they still protect Christianity.
Anyway this is a move by the leftist government to stem populist parties who say Swedish culture is under threat. They just added christians schools to show that they don't discriminate against one particular religion.
Sweden was complicit (according to mainstream history) of cooperating with Nazis to send jews to concentration camps. So after WW2, overtime they had layers of laws giving special protection and priviliege to jews.
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format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth
Sweden is an atheist state in all but name. Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-kANR1vJkM and Sweden isn't the first Scandanavian country to impose harsh laws against islam. Denmark, Finland also have except they still protect Christianity.
Anyway this is a move by the leftist government to stem populist parties who say Swedish culture is under threat. They just added christians schools to show that they don't discriminate against one particular religion.
Sweden was complicit (according to mainstream history) of cooperating with Nazis to send jews to concentration camps. So after WW2, overtime they had layers of laws giving special protection and priviliege to jews.
My great-uncle was in the 11th SS Division "Nordland" as a Swedish volunteer (freiwilligen). That division, and the "Viking" division (5th SS) were not involved with the camps, moving prisoners around, etc. They were front-line divisions (I also had two other uncles in the German military: one in the Wehrmacht and another in the Luftwaffe--he was shot down in 1944)
The ones involved with killing Jews, Partisans, etc. were primarily Polish volunteers, Ukrainian conscripts and volunteers, Lithuanians, and some Russians. These were the "Einsatzgruppen" in charge of anti-partisan activity (which included burning villages down, etc.). Some of the camps were originally organized by the Allgemeine SS (General security force) which was initially German, but then let others in as the war went on. The Waffen SS was never involved with the camps, anti-partisan activity, etc.
mainstream history in regards to WWII is generally nonsense: propaganda written by Jewish academics, leftist activists, and hack scholars. I grew up in a family that fought on the other side and lived in Germany in the 80s. I did extensive history and spoke to many veterans directly about what happened. It isn't what you think.
Sweden's "complicity" in German war crimes or the Holocaust is another Israeli cash-grab. I don't see the Ukraine or Lithuania sending large cash payments to Israel
Now I am not saying there wasn't the murder or Jews and war crimes, but the truth of the matter is far different from what we are told. Israel, and the Jewish community, has a vested interest in keeping up this victimhood narrative, partly as a way to deflect the attention to their treatment of the Palestinians.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Silas
My great-uncle was in the 11th SS Division "Nordland" as a Swedish volunteer (freiwilligen). That division, and the "Viking" division (5th SS) were not involved with the camps, moving prisoners around, etc. They were front-line divisions (I also had two other uncles in the German military: one in the Wehrmacht and another in the Luftwaffe--he was shot down in 1944)The ones involved with killing Jews, Partisans, etc. were primarily Polish volunteers, Ukrainian conscripts and volunteers, Lithuanians, and some Russians. These were the "Einsatzgruppen" in charge of anti-partisan activity (which included burning villages down, etc.). Some of the camps were originally organized by the Allgemeine SS (General security force) which was initially German, but then let others in as the war went on. The Waffen SS was never involved with the camps, anti-partisan activity, etc. mainstream history in regards to WWII is generally nonsense: propaganda written by Jewish academics, leftist activists, and hack scholars. I grew up in a family that fought on the other side and lived in Germany in the 80s. I did extensive history and spoke to many veterans directly about what happened. It isn't what you think.Sweden's "complicity" in German war crimes or the Holocaust is another Israeli cash-grab. I don't see the Ukraine or Lithuania sending large cash payments to IsraelNow I am not saying there wasn't the murder or Jews and war crimes, but the truth of the matter is far different from what we are told. Israel, and the Jewish community, has a vested interest in keeping up this victimhood narrative, partly as a way to deflect the attention to their treatment of the Palestinians.
First of all as a non-European I don't really have any emotional attachment to WW2 history, for me it's just Europeans killing Europeans. That's that. I mentioned it because that's the official reason why Jews are protected by constitution.Also the accusation isn't that they participated in the camps, rather that they rounded up the jews and handed them over to the Germans.This is not the first case of jews being protected by a constitution in a western country, so I don't understand why you are surprised? USA has the most draconian laws about "anti-semitism" in the whole world. Even supporting BDS is a crime in some states and in other states you could lose your job.
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Denmark’s left wins election by adopting right-wing rhetoric
In an interview in 2017, the recently elected left-leaning Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen outlined her wish to close down Muslim schools that teach some 5,000 students. “We want to close all Muslim free schools,” said Frederiksen adding that the closure of faith schools will only apply to Muslims and not to Jewish or Christian schools. She went on to say: "We must be honest and say that for many years, the Jewish minority has not caused any problems. But we now have many challenges with a large Muslim minority.”
The left-leaning Social Democratic party presented immigrants as a threat to the welfare system. Whereas Muslim communities were portrayed as a threat to Denmark’s liberal values by the left, for the right, they were presented as a threat to traditional Danish identity. “What we see in this election is that the Social Democrats have been able to do exactly what the Danish People's Party have been doing to gain popularity, they've focused on restrictive immigration policies simultaneously with Danish welfare,” said Hassani.
Speaking to TRT World, Richard McNeil-Willson, a researcher on counterterrorism and political extremism at the University of Exeter said: “We have seen a shift amongst Denmark’s main parties, with language and policies becoming increasingly hostile against immigration and minorities – particularly Islam. “Since the 2001 General Election in Denmark, there has since been a long-term trend within Danish national politics, with national debate coalescing around issues of identity and values – immigration, integration and security.” Political parties have adapted to survive. The Social Democratic party, according to McNeil-Willson, has reframed “the debate about immigration and minorities – particularly Islam – in more social democratic language, for instance: Islam framed as a threat to gender equality in Denmark; or immigration framed as a threat to the state’s welfare system".
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format_quote Originally Posted by fschmidt
Muslims deserve this for failing to recognize who their real enemy is. As I said before, their/your enemy is Judaism and liberalism, not the Right.
Are you actually serious? The 'right' has the same policy. Infact it's because of the right's anti-islam policies which garnered them massive raise of votes, which is why the left just copied them both in Denmark and Sweden, and also in Germany and other European countries.
Only in the US, UK and Canada the liberals haven't completely copied the right's politics.
Re: Sweden to ban Muslim and Christian schools --but not Jewish
format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth
Are you actually serious? The 'right' has the same policy. Infact it's because of the right's anti-islam policies which garnered them massive raise of votes, which is why the left just copied them both in Denmark and Sweden, and also in Germany and other European countries.
Only in the US, UK and Canada the liberals haven't completely copied the right's politics.
The European New Right is nationalistic in the way that the Japanese are nationalistic.
Should the Muslim Turks be nationalistic, limit immigration into their country, embrace an Islamic culture and worldview? Or should they let in 2 million Christians and Jews into the country, provide them with generous welfare, let them build churches and temples in Istanbul, establish insular communities, etc.? Or are you going to say that is somehow different?
Most on the "right" are simply arguing for rational immigration policy, and it isn't really about Islam.
Muslims and "right-wing" Europeans are socially-conservative, religious, and family-oriented. A small minority of Muslims in the US and elsewhere have latched on to this idea that leftist groups, Jews, and others better represent them. So they end up forming alliances with groups that promote homosexuality, pederasty, promiscuity, 3rd-wave feminism, militant atheism, Zionism, drug abuse, degenerate Hollywood entertainment, widespread abortion, and other stuff. Is it worth selling your soul to these people so that your brother-in-law might have a better chance at getting a visa into the country?
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Reason: Removed the comment about refugees as this is not reprentative of an entire group of people and could be considered as racism
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The entity called "jews" is simply a vehicle whic the usurers utilise to retain control via a mob interest mechanism when no other group of people can be relied on to carry out their corrupt designs.
For example - in the cia, mi5, us army, there sometimes arise situations where the common dupe can no longer be relied on to do the bidding of the corrupt criminals at the top of the command chain, since the question of loyalty is tearing them apart, this is where "loyalty to israel" and the jewish people" is used as a racial tool to get the israeli dupes to transgress bounds -despite the usurer leaders being far from God and the Torah.
Therefore simply discussing the issue in a group mindset is diverting from the deeper reality.
These usurers kill millions of jews as and when it suits their political aims.
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format_quote Originally Posted by Silas
The European New Right is nationalistic in the way that the Japanese are nationalistic.
Should the Muslim Turks be nationalistic, limit immigration into their country, embrace an Islamic culture and worldview? Or should they let in 2 million Christians and Jews into the country, provide them with generous welfare, let them build churches and temples in Istanbul, establish insular communities, etc.? Or are you going to say that is somehow different?
Most on the "right" are simply arguing for rational immigration policy, and it isn't really about Islam.
Muslims and "right-wing" Europeans are socially-conservative, religious, and family-oriented. A small minority of Muslims in the US and elsewhere have latched on to this idea that leftist groups, Jews, and others better represent them. So they end up forming alliances with groups that promote homosexuality, pederasty, promiscuity, 3rd-wave feminism, militant atheism, Zionism, drug abuse, degenerate Hollywood entertainment, widespread abortion, and other stuff. Is it worth selling your soul to these people so that your brother-in-law might have a better chance at getting a visa into the country?
If you are "anti-zionist" I don't understand why you are even bringing up the right. Let's get this straight each and every right-wing and far-right parties are Zionists. Sweden Democrats- Zionist, Geert Wilders - Zionist, Trump- Zionist, Milo Yiannopolus - Zionist, Danish People Party - Zionist, Le Pen - Zionist, Salvini - Zionist. I could honestly keep going.
I'm not going to bring up the popular support from Christians and Evangelical zombies.
The only European right-wing party that isn't openly zionist are Hungary's Victor Orban I think and that's it. Who the hell are you kidding?
On the other hand, it's usually leftists who are anti-Zionist.
Quote: "Muslims and "right-wing" Europeans are socially-conservative, religious, and family-oriented"
This shows more than anything you don't know the compass of European politics. The European far-right champions feminism, homosexuality, sexual openess as European culture and denounces Muslim communities for rejecting that and not assimilating.
You confuse evangelical politics with the Alt-right. THE ALT-RIGHT are NOT RELIGIOUS. They are a race-based white identitarian movement.
The Ottomans already let in thousands of Polish refugees (at a time when they were enemies btw), Circassian refugees when 94% of them were wiped out by the Russians, thousands of jews fleeing from Spain, thousands of jews fleeing Austria, Poland, gypsy refugees, etc. Don't try to view pre-20th century muslims with European lenses, it won't work. Muslims have completely different perception of life than Europeans.
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format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth
If you are "anti-zionist" I don't understand why you are even bringing up the right. Let's get this straight each and every right-wing and far-right parties are Zionists. Sweden Democrats- Zionist, Geert Wilders - Zionist, Trump- Zionist, Milo Yiannopolus - Zionist, Danish People Party - Zionist, Le Pen - Zionist, Salvini - Zionist. I could honestly keep going.
I'm not going to bring up the popular support from Christians and Evangelical zombies.
The only European right-wing party that isn't openly zionist are Hungary's Victor Orban I think and that's it. Who the hell are you kidding?
On the other hand, it's usually leftists who are anti-Zionist.
Quote: "Muslims and "right-wing" Europeans are socially-conservative, religious, and family-oriented"
This shows more than anything you don't know the compass of European politics. The European far-right champions feminism, homosexuality, sexual openess as European culture and denounces Muslim communities for rejecting that and not assimilating.
You confuse evangelical politics with the Alt-right. THE ALT-RIGHT are NOT RELIGIOUS. They are a race-based white identitarian movement.
The Ottomans already let in thousands of Polish refugees (at a time when they were enemies btw), Circassian refugees when 94% of them were wiped out by the Russians, thousands of jews fleeing from Spain, thousands of jews fleeing Austria, Poland, gypsy refugees, etc. Don't try to view pre-20th century muslims with European lenses, it won't work. Muslims have completely different perception of life than Europeans.
I think we are talking about different "right-wings". Trump is NOT "right-wing" --he is a centrist populist. LePen is generally friendly to the Jews, but I'm not sure I would call her a Zionist.
Parties like the AfD in Germany tip-toe around the Jewish issue, because speaking out against Israel will get you thrown in jail.
Other far-right groups, like the Golden Dawn or Nordic Resistance Movement are outright hostile towards Jews
Members of the Alt-Right in the US are typically Orthodox Christians, Traditionalist Catholic (SSPX), or in some cases pagan (rare). They even have podcast called "Mysterium Fasces" --strange stuff indeed.
Alt-Righters are almost never atheist. Some are even Muslim (rare). They are a strange group, and a tiny minority.
Many right-wing intellectuals in Europe are suspicious of Jews, and critical of Israel, such as Tomislav Sunic. Guillame Faye, however, remarked that anti-Zionism has become less an issue in the last ten years or so, as issues regarding mass immigration have taken center-stage
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format_quote Originally Posted by Silas
I think we are talking about different "right-wings". Trump is NOT "right-wing" --he is a centrist populist. LePen is generally friendly to the Jews, but I'm not sure I would call her a Zionist.
Parties like the AfD in Germany tip-toe around the Jewish issue, because speaking out against Israel will get you thrown in jail.
Other far-right groups, like the Golden Dawn or Nordic Resistance Movement are outright hostile towards Jews
Members of the Alt-Right in the US are typically Orthodox Christians, Traditionalist Catholic (SSPX), or in some cases pagan (rare). They even have podcast called "Mysterium Fasces" --strange stuff indeed.
Alt-Righters are almost never atheist. Some are even Muslim (rare). They are a strange group, and a tiny minority. And Golden Dawn are insane and extremely violent, doesn't seem like any intell
Many right-wing intellectuals in Europe are suspicious of Jews, and critical of Israel, such as Tomislav Sunic. Guillame Faye, however, remarked that anti-Zionism has become less an issue in the last ten years or so, as issues regarding mass immigration have taken center-stage
Those are fringe groups and frankly not worth the same attention as mainstream far-right like Wilders. Also Le Pen has already said National Front is Zionist herself, so let's put that to bed.
Many Alt-righters are atheists, especially in Europe, because Christianity is no longer strong there, except being a convenient identity tool. If you looked at the video, you will see the kind of christianity they practice, they are agnostic "christians". Even those who are "religious" like the Poles only use Christianity as a tool. Christianity is more about Western culture, than about jesus.
Ofcourse in USA, it's different but that's another issue with evangelicals who i think genuinely believe in a deity called jesus and the bible.
Anyway, last point on Islam since I didn't mention it before. Yes Islam is completely linked to electorate performance. None more clearly than Danish elections, where the Left came back to power using the same anti-islam rhetoric as the right. Same thing in Sweden, netherlands, Belgium, etc.
So yes Islam clearly is an important part of elections. Infact, like Denmark's election, it is the kingmaker and the parties with the most anti-islam rhetoric usually wins.
Btw, a party called "Hard line" called 1.8% votes. What is it's platform? The founder of the party burn Quran annually. That's literally it. And remember Denmark and Islamic countries have not been at war except for the NATO invasions. The fact that people can hate something so much that never harmed them in the entire history shows that it isn't Islamic conquests which is the sole reason why Europeans hate Islam, they hate Islam because it's different from them. This is textbook xenophobia.
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format_quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth
Those are fringe groups and frankly not worth the same attention as mainstream far-right like Wilders. Also Le Pen has already said National Front is Zionist herself, so let's put that to bed.
Many Alt-righters are atheists, especially in Europe, because Christianity is no longer strong there, except being a convenient identity tool. If you looked at the video, you will see the kind of christianity they practice, they are agnostic "christians". Even those who are "religious" like the Poles only use Christianity as a tool. Christianity is more about Western culture, than about jesus.
Ofcourse in USA, it's different but that's another issue with evangelicals who i think genuinely believe in a deity called jesus and the bible.
Anyway, last point on Islam since I didn't mention it before. Yes Islam is completely linked to electorate performance. None more clearly than Danish elections, where the Left came back to power using the same anti-islam rhetoric as the right. Same thing in Sweden, netherlands, Belgium, etc.
So yes Islam clearly is an important part of elections. Infact, like Denmark's election, it is the kingmaker and the parties with the most anti-islam rhetoric usually wins.
Btw, a party called "Hard line" called 1.8% votes. What is it's platform? The founder of the party burn Quran annually. That's literally it. And remember Denmark and Islamic countries have not been at war except for the NATO invasions. The fact that people can hate something so much that never harmed them in the entire history shows that it isn't Islamic conquests which is the sole reason why Europeans hate Islam, they hate Islam because it's different from them. This is textbook xenophobia.
LePen is cynically trying to court Jewish voters in France, just like Trump does in the US. Nevertheless, the FN isn't what I would consider "far-right" --it is nationalist or populist at best. It isn't like the Golden Dawn, Casa Pound, or the Azov Battalion.
Alt-Righters are not standard right-wing people. They are different than the European New Right, or American Conservatives. The ones in Europe might include atheists, but in the US, a vast majority are Christian (and not Evangelical).
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format_quote Originally Posted by Silas
Alt-Righters are not standard right-wing people. They are different than the European New Right, or American Conservatives. The ones in Europe might include atheists, but in the US, a vast majority are Christian (and not Evangelical).
Whatever they are either purposefully or by sheer ignorance, alt-righter are extremely poor in knowledge about the world or history and even current political affairs, their analysis is just so much off-track, it's actually painful to hear.
Ofcourse on the left there's people like Bill Maher who are just completely ignorant.
For example, Steven Crowder's "analysis" on Crusades is so off, with so much wrong and missing information and ofcourse ZERO citations, it's like he's creating a myth.
Another myth and an even more disgusting one among alt-righters is that Europeans were a force for good and civilized the barbaric and uncivilized races by giving free healthcare and electricity. A lot of alt-right absolutely believe that.
It made me realize these people actually don't care about facts and history but want to make their own fairy tales.
And in honesty left-wing influencers like Kyle Kulinski (who isn't a big fan of islam btw) is more honest, consistent and sane than the alt-right people I talked to.
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Saying that, yes US college liberals are very radical, intolerant and illogical like their alt-right cousins.
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