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    Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

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    POLITICS 10/09/2019 05:47 pm ET
    Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation
    Turkey began its offensive against the Syrian Kurds just 72 hours after the White House announced it would pull troops from the area.

    Matthew Lee

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. must escape the “Endless Wars” in the Middle East, President Donald Trump repeatedly declares. Mission accomplished, at least in the shortest of short terms. When on Wednesday Turkey attacked the Kurds, America’s longtime battlefield allies, U.S. troops had evacuated from harm’s way.

    But hardly anyone was cheering the latest result of Trump’s unpredictable foreign policy.
    From Iran to North Korea, China, Iraq, Afghanistan and Venezuela, nearly all of Trump’s foreign policy priorities remain works in progress nearly three years into his presidency. All have been punctuated by abrupt shifts that have frustrated and alienated friends and allies, confused foes and rivals and left the impression that “America First” really does, as critics say, mean America alone.

    But none has produced such speedy or potentially damaging consequences.

    High-profile summits with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un followed threats of “fire and fury.” Offers to open a dialogue with Iran followed the imposition of harsh sanctions. Both efforts have yet to produce definitive outcomes.

    Negotiations with the Taliban aimed at withdrawing U.S. forces from Afghanistan have been hit with fits and starts. The trade war with China continues apace. Venezuela remains a morass with Nicolas Maduro still in power despite attempts to dislodge him.

    No such delay with Turkey, Syria and the Kurds.

    Trump’s determination to pull American troops out of the Middle East opened the door to the Turkish incursion just 72 hours after the White House announced the U.S. would pull back from the Turkey-Syria border and not stand in the way.

    “This clearly has an immediate, sequential consequence that very few of the other decisions he has made have had,” said Aaron David Miller, former U.S. diplomat and senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “It has had a direct and negative impact, although how catastrophic remains to be seen.”

    On Wednesday, Trump himself called Turkey’s military assault a “bad idea” that the U.S. did not “endorse.” U.S. officials held out hope that the attacks could be limited. But the start of combat along the border marked what may be the failure of a high-risk, complex strategy supposedly designed to prevent just such an outcome.

    Officials familiar with the administration’s strategy say it was drawn up to try to reconcile the harsh realities of Trump’s insistence on withdrawal and Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s insistence on attacking. One official described the choice the administration faced as either getting into a shooting war with Turkey, a NATO ally, or standing down and pressing Turkey hard to limit its operation with threats to punish it economically if Erdogan should go too far.

    Trump’s abrupt decision a few days ago to remove the American shield — just a few dozen soldiers but, crucially wearing U.S. uniforms — that was keeping the Turks away has been met with widespread condemnation from supporters as well as the usual critics. Condemnation from normally reliable Republican Trump allies on Capitol Hill has been notably fierce.

    The Kurds have accused Trump of a gross betrayal. U.S. officials acknowledge that but also say it was unavoidable in the face of Erdogan’s determination to go after the Kurds, whom Turkey accuses of being terrorists and a severe threat.

    Republicans as well as Democrats in Congress, and many national defense experts, say the move has placed U.S. credibility as well as the Kurds and regional stability at great risk. By all accounts, the Kurds were the most effective force in fighting the Islamic State in the region.

    “I think it makes it less likely that others will want to work with the United States in the future,” said Bradley Bowman, senior director of the Center on Military and Political Power at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a Washington think tank with hawkish views on the Mideast.

    “The foreign policy is not clear,” said Rahim Rashidi, a Kurdish journalist based in Washington. “It is difficult to tell who is a friend, who is an enemy.”

    The argument that the unpredictable and volatile Trump was following through on a plan put to him by experts is implausible to many, particularly his critics, who see the president as impulsive and concerned more about his own image than in U.S. national security. Democrats and Republicans alike denounced Trump’s first announcement as reckless and self-defeating, and the administration’s attempts to clean it up put Trump into the role of both good cop and bad cop with the Turks.

    Mindful of Trump’s pledges to eventually withdraw all American forces from Syria and Erdogan’s increasingly vocal threats to fight the Kurds, the U.S. plan was to present Erdogan with a stark choice: either cooperate with its NATO ally at minimal cost to ensure Turkey’s security from legitimate threats it faces from the Kurds or go it alone with an invasion and bear all the consequences.

    After initially opting for cooperation — which meant the U.S. persuading the Kurds to move away from the border and withdraw emplacements and heavy weapons, and bringing the Turks into joint air and ground patrols and intelligence sharing — Erdogan became insistent on going ahead with an incursion. According to the officials, Trump called his bluff in their Sunday phone call.

    Faced with almost universal criticism, the administration scrambled on Monday to regain the upper hand. Trump threatened in a tweet to “obliterate” Turkey’s economy if it hit the Kurds hard and twice repeated the threat in person at White House appearances.

    At the same time, U.S. officials were telling the Turks through military, diplomatic and intelligence channels that any major operation against the Kurds would cause major damage to U.S.-Turkey relations.

    On Tuesday, Trump shifted tack. After consultations between the White House, the State Department and the Pentagon, he tweeted a friendly message to Erdogan, praising the two nations’ relationship and confirming that he had invited the Turkish leader to visit Washington in November.

    What some saw as scattershot incoherence was, in fact, the next stage of the plan: an offer to reward Erdogan for holding back on the Kurdish operation.

    Critics don’t buy it.

    “Now, goody goody, we’re going to invite you to come visit the White House, and whatever domestic value that has for Erdogan in Turkey, this is really dangerous,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday.

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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Classic western imperialist nonsense. There is no such a thing as “Turks” vs “Kurds” in this case. That is the case of a terrorist organization being located in your neighbour country and that country’s incapability of controling the fuss within its borders. Republic of Turkey has all the rights to invade Syrian border line to destroy the terrorist’ camps. The problem starts “if” the real plan is beyond this case. We will see that soon.
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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Classic western imperialist nonsense. There is no such a thing as “Turks” vs “Kurds” in this case. That is the case of a terrorist organization being located in your neighbour country and that country’s incapability of controling the fuss within its borders. Republic of Turkey has all the rights to invade Syrian border line to destroy the terrorist’ camps. The problem starts “if” the real plan is beyond this case. We will see that soon.
    Terrorists? huh? So this is how you call people who are discriminated in all countries of region, especially in Turkey? I would love to see heavy sanctions from EU against Turkey - that massacre can't pass without any reaction.

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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    ‘Massacre’?
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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    3 days of operation "Peace Spring", already many deaths and 100,000 people forced to flee their homes. Looks like proper counter-terrorism operation right? I hope it won't turn to even worse as Turkey has 'rich' history of ethnic cleansing.

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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Quote Originally Posted by SeekerOfTrurh View Post
    3 days of operation "Peace Spring", already many deaths and 100,000 people forced to flee their homes. Looks like proper counter-terrorism operation right? I hope it won't turn to even worse as Turkey has 'rich' history of ethnic cleansing.
    I'm Turkish. but I agree. EU can't sanction Turkey because Erdogan the sufyani (anti christ of muslims) is threatening to send millions of syrian refugees they don't want. but USA sure will sanction Turkey! a bill is being passed in the senate right now to target erdogan's and his family and associate's assets, politicians travel visas, military equipment, and others! @anatolian

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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Quote Originally Posted by SeekerOfTrurh View Post
    3 days of operation "Peace Spring", already many deaths and 100,000 people forced to flee their homes. Looks like proper counter-terrorism operation right? I hope it won't turn to even worse as Turkey has 'rich' history of ethnic cleansing.
    They have to clean them out from their border as pkk and ypg who hide amongst them (even their women are pkk and ypg) will launch attacks in Turkey and try to nab Turkeys land. Air strikes are unfortunately a part of modern warfare and thus some civilian collateral will happen

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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Quote Originally Posted by SeekerOfTrurh View Post
    3 days of operation "Peace Spring", already many deaths and 100,000 people forced to flee their homes. Looks like proper counter-terrorism operation right? I hope it won't turn to even worse as Turkey has 'rich' history of ethnic cleansing.
    I just waited for if you write something meaningful but I see you continue the same nonsense so I will not boder myself to give an answer until you decide to make sense
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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto View Post
    I'm Turkish. but I agree. EU can't sanction Turkey because Erdogan the sufyani (anti christ of muslims) is threatening to send millions of syrian refugees they don't want. but USA sure will sanction Turkey! a bill is being passed in the senate right now to target erdogan's and his family and associate's assets, politicians travel visas, military equipment, and others! @anatolian
    I dont trust Erdoğan too but thats nothing to do with Erdoğan. Thats something to do with the very basic rights of Turkey. PKK is a terrorist organization as you accept and PYD is helping them. The militias have basements in that region and are organizing their attacks from there. Also this safe zone will be a place for the Syrian refugees at least in their homeland who are not wanted anywhere. They have become a problem in Turkey too.
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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Turkey has every right to secure their borders from anyone who would want Turkey weakened and split.

    Those Kurds are terrorists and this is a fight against terrorists not Kurds.

    Turkey has every right to make a peace corridor and remove YPG/PKK from there and create a safe place for refugees.

    They split the Ottoman empire, now they want Turkey split even more because they failed to split anatolia back in 1920s.

    Turkey is stronger without these separatists terrorists. In order to secure themselves, they attack YPG/PKK.

    Syria is a mess, everyone want some landgrab from it.

    Israel is not interested in strong neighbours, so not surprised they and America oppose this. With weaker neighbours it is easier to expand influence and invade.

    They let ISIL continue their carnage and surely loved it when Syria was weakened. Isil is now dead and now they want to split Turkey by making a safe place for YPG to plan against Turkey.

    Now that Iran is in Syria they bomb the hell out of them, cuz Iran is strong.

    Now they want a Kurdistan to weaken Turkey.

    Every nation has the right to fight for Unity.

    Back in 1920, the Allies and Israel wanted to divide and balkanize Anatolia, but because of the Nationalist uprising, they failed.

    Now they are trying again.

    Allahu alam. I support Turkey in removing these terrorists and making a safe zone for refugees.

    This has never been about fighting Kurds, but weakening Turkey.
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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Lol I done a post on YouTube on a video showing a huge kurdistan map, my comment read:

    You guys want to make your women naked like American. And u betray Muslims by befriending israhell. InshAllah Turkey will shatter your evil dream

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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Allah is sufficient to us and He is the best Protector and Guardian.

    AFAIK I read if we Muslims are 10 that are steadfast, we will overcome 100 of them.

    If we muslims are 25, 250.

    Allahu alam.
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    Re: Trump’s Decision To Abandon Syria’s Kurds Met With Immediate Broad Condemnation

    Quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    Those Kurds are terrorists and this is a fight against terrorists not Kurds.
    Exactly, using word 'Kurd' in Turkey is still banned right? So yeah, there are no Kurds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    Back in 1920, the Allies and Israel wanted to divide and balkanize Anatolia, but because of the Nationalist uprising, they failed.
    Back in 1920 Anatolia wasn't ethnically uniform, however turkish nationalists somehow 'persuaded' Armenians, Assyrians and Greeks to leave Anatolia, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Serinity View Post
    I support Turkey in removing these terrorists and making a safe zone for refugees.
    You know its first time in history that power is banishing some people to 'create' safe zone for other refugees? It's almost like gleiwitz provocation before WW2. Just empty excuse, nothing more. Yeah I know many Turks were killed by kurdish separationism, but lets be honest - its all fruit of many decades of discrimination. Don't the Kurds have the right to fight their oppressors?Anyway it will end bad for Turkey, France already put temporary sanctions in motion and Turkey is not in same position as Israel - no one will veto sanctions. Laughable threats by Erdogan can only make things worse.


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