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    Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

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    Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide
    Congresswoman says 'a true acknowledgement of historical crimes against humanity' must include 'earlier mass slaughters like the transatlantic slave trade'

    Chris RiottaNew York @Chris riotta
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    Ilhan Omar declined to vote in favour of a resolution recognising the mass killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks as a genocide, saying any "true acknowledgement" of such crimes must include other historical "mass slaughters".

    The Minnesota Democrat was one of just three House members to vote “present” on the resolution that passed in an overwhelming 405-11 vote.

    The congresswoman said in a statement shortly after the vote she believes in “accountability for human rights violations” but “accountability and recognition of genocide should not be used as cudgel in a political fight.

    “It should be done based on academic consensus outside the push and pull of geopolitics”, she said.

    Ms Omar appeared to be referring to the increasingly tense developments surrounding Turkey’s invasion into Syria after the US pulled its troops out of the region.

    “A true acknowledgement of historical crimes against humanity must include both the heinous genocides of the 20th century, along with earlier mass slaughters like the transatlantic slave trade and Native American genocide, which took the lives of hundreds of millions of indigenous people in this country”, she continued in the statement sent to CNN.

    All 11 House members who voted “no” on the resolution were Republican. Paul Gosar, an Arizona Republican, and Eddie Bernice Johnson, a Texas Democrat, joined Ms Omar in voting “present”.

    Democratic leaders in the House celebrated the passing of the resolution, including House Intelligence Committee Chairmen Adam Schiff, who wrote on Twitter: “The House just voted to recognise the Armenian Genocide - a vote I fought for 19 years to make possible, that tens of thousands of my Armenian American constituents have waited decades to see."

    “We will not be party to genocide denial”, he added. “We will not be silent. We will never forget."


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    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a statement the resolution was passed “in solemn remembrance of one of the great atrocities of the 20th Century”.


    Turkish officials meanwhile slammed the resolution, including President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who said “This step which was taken is worthless and we do not recognise it”, the BBC reported.

    The Turkish president also said the country’s parliament would respond to the US resolution.
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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    This whole Genocide issue has just become a child play in the hands of politics. It is being used as a tool to make pressure on which ever country you want. I will not repeat myself on this particular so called genocide but the USA is definetely last country on the earth to recognize any genocide. Millions of native americans were killed by the white americans for centuries and no one talks about it over there. This is beyond rediculous.
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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    Greetings and peace be with you Singularity;

    My grandparents and mother escaped from the genocide that happened in Smyrna in 1922; when it was burnt to the ground by the Ottoman Empire; the fires started in the Armenian part of the city. History repeats itself, and we do not learn.

    The link shows two minute of the fires.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEjFElvQD0U

    In the spirit of praying for justice and peace for all people,

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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you Singularity;

    My grandparents and mother escaped from the genocide that happened in Smyrna in 1922; when it was burnt to the ground by the Ottoman Empire; the fires started in the Armenian part of the city. History repeats itself, and we do not learn.

    The link shows two minute of the fires.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEjFElvQD0U

    In the spirit of praying for justice and peace for all people,

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    Hi Eric. Sorry but we will continue not learning as long as we tell only side of the stories just as you did. You approach emotionally because of your grandparents. The invading Greek army was burning the Turkish cities and villages while they were on withdraw. So some angry Turks burnt the Greek properties in İzmir as a ‘revenge’ just after the Turkish army entered the city. Ofcourse I do not approve this incident. This was a war but the crimes of the Greek side was a lot more than the Turkish side.
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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    Cut and paste of a related post I once done :

    Why do Assyrians hate Muslims?

    In the run-up to world war 1 the armenians and assyrians living in Turkey colluded with the British Empire to nab part of Turkey's land and establish their own Christian state in it. Turkey basically weren't having that so it turned to massacring them and deporting them rather than have an “enemy within” that had turned trecherous and colluded to fight Turkey along with Turkey's enemy and snatch part of Turkey's land away from its rule. I suppose this is why assyrians hate Muslims. However I'll ask them to consider to put themselves in a government's shoe and what they'd do to such a back-stabbing trecherous enemy within? and the fact that another Muslim nation, Syria, gave them refuge and they've been flourishing there ever since!

    PS: Muslims do not hate Assyrians.
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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    Greetings and peace be with you anatolian;

    Hi Eric. Sorry but we will continue not learning as long as we tell only side of the stories just as you did.
    In order for justice to happen, we need a common name for all these minority groups like Turks, Greeks, Armenian; Christian, Muslim - They are all people. And it is always people who suffer in any war, no matter what country or religion they are from. Our leaders have known for centuries how to manipulate people, and we follow them like sheep. The war formula is clearly spelt out here by Hermann Göring.

    Hermann Göring quotes Showing 1-6 of 6
    “Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
    Listen to the rhetoric of our leaders today, and you can understand how we are being forced into conflicts we do not want.

    In the spirit of praying for justice for all people,

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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    The war formula is clearly spelt out here by Hermann Göring.

    Hermann Göring quotes Showing 1-6 of 6
    “Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?
    In the spirit of praying for justice for all people,

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    If the poor slob on a farm lives in a country he loves...and that country is being attacked and by that his whole future is unsure...will he ever have his peace again when the aggressors win? will he be oppressed? will he even survive?
    he would rather happily give his life for his country to win.
    the best thing is not him returning to his farm in one piece...the best thing is that his family can continue to live...in peace...

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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    What a state of evil hypocrysy this is. these Americans are showing their true colours! They want favours for, and be best friends with the evil oppressor israhell and they want 'justice' for the Armenians to bash Erdogan with a cudjel

    That bas**** trump is over 70 years old and he doesn't have any fear of God of dying with an evil disgusting heart like that. You fool trump, you got 1 foot in the grave mate, stop being evil!
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    Greetings and peace be with you Umit,

    If the poor slob on a farm lives in a country he loves...and that country is being attacked and by that his whole future is unsure...will he ever have his peace again when the aggressors win? will he be oppressed? will he even survive?
    he would rather happily give his life for his country to win.
    The formula for war that Hermann Göring was talking about was for an Unjust War. Tony Blair took Britain to what I believe was an unjust war, looking for invisible weapons of mass destruction, he said countries were in danger. All the pacifists were ignored because they were not supporting national security and they were putting the country at risk. Pretty much the same words as Hermann.

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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric H View Post
    Greetings and peace be with you Umit,



    The formula for war that Hermann Göring was talking about was for an Unjust War. Tony Blair took Britain to what I believe was an unjust war, looking for invisible weapons of mass destruction, he said countries were in danger. All the pacifists were ignored because they were not supporting national security and they were putting the country at risk. Pretty much the same words as Hermann.

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    i still don't understand. but I will google it Eric. No problem.

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    Greetings and peace be with you Umit;

    Quote Originally Posted by Ümit View Post
    i still don't understand. but I will google it Eric. No problem.
    If your country was being invaded, then any self defence would be justified, and people would willingly rally round in support.

    I don't believe all wars are justified. When America and Britain invaded Iraq, this was not a justified war in my opinion. But Bush and Blair convinced the people that we should invade, they talked about national security and they denounced the peacemakers, in the same way Hermann did.

    Soldiers are on the front line, but they are still people, I believe they see things and have to do things that go against their conscience. More American soldiers have died from suicide in the last few years, then have died in the Iraq and Afghan conflicts. Had these wars been justified, I don't believe we would see these suicide rates.

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    Re: Ilhan Omar refuses to back vote recognising Armenian genocide

    Salaam

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    This whole Genocide issue has just become a child play in the hands of politics. It is being used as a tool to make pressure on which ever country you want. I will not repeat myself on this particular so called genocide but the USA is definetely last country on the earth to recognize any genocide. Millions of native americans were killed by the white americans for centuries and no one talks about it over there. This is beyond rediculous.
    Good book on the plight of the Native Americans.

    Blurb

    Helen Hunt Jackson's famous exposé chronicles the oppression and murder the Native American peoples suffered throughout the 18th and 19th centuries.

    This book was published in 1885, at a time when the final conflicts between the United States and the Native American populations were being fought. The concept of allotted reservations as a means of settling land disputes had by then been underway for decades. At this point in time, the colonial settlers from Europe had spent over a century driving back the native inhabitants of North America; most of the tribes were, as a consequence, in a subjugated state.

    Jackson casts her examination over the preceding century, cataloging the systematic process through which the Native American populace was suppressed, killed and robbed of their lands and heritage. Each separate tribe is considered, such as the Cherokees, Sioux and the Delawares: for each we are given a cultural profile, before Jackson details the interactions - peaceful and hostile - each respective tribe had with the incipient European settlers.

    An accurate history which details aspects of treaties signed between the tribes and the European settlers, and the trade which occurred between the two parties, A Century of Dishonor discusses the forced resettlement and relocation of many peoples. Many resettlement procedures resulted in the new, white residents becoming agitated; they would frequently demand the Native Americans be evicted.

    Helen Hunt Jackson's accounts are, for the most part, an eye-opening and sobering history which depicts a complete supplanting of the Native American peoples in the United States. For her part, Jackson was an ardent campaigner on behalf of the rights of the native peoples - she authored this comprehensive history after the success of Ramona, her novel which propelled her cause to new heights.

    This edition of A Century of Dishonor contains all the appendices, several of which deal with the massacres and the qualities of the Native Americans. Also appended are Jackson's complete series of 'exhibits': which consist of correspondences between Jackson and others, with several acting as case studies of individual settlements or events.


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