Fury, Threats Over Jewish Plans to Storm Al-Aqsa

**kadafi** · 04-09-2005

OCCUPIED JERUSALEM, April 8 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – Thousands of Israeli police deployed in Occupied Jerusalem's Old City and denied many Palestinians access into Al-Aqsa Mosque for prayers Friday, April 8.

The Israeli measures came amid rising tension and fury over plans by Jewish extremists to storm Islam’s third holiest site Sunday, April 10, seeking to stall Israel’s planned withdrawal from the occupied Gaza this summer.

Thousands of Palestinians took to streets for protests, where leading resistance groups vowed to walk away from the current truce if Jewish ultra-nationalists enter the shrine this weekend, according to Reuters.

Eight factions, including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, issued a warning after news of a rally scheduled for Sunday, April 10, by thousands of ultra-nationalists.

In a statement, Palestinian factions said they would abandon a three-month-old de facto truce if “Zionist extremists storm the mosque compound ... Such an act would be a declaration of all-out war and the calm would come to an end”.

Meanwhile, thousands of Palestinians, including masked gunmen, marched in Gaza Friday to back up the factions’ threat.

Israel said it would ban non-Muslims from the site, revered by Muslims as Al-Haram Al-Sharif (Noble Sanctuary) to prevent far-right Israelis rallying there, according to Reuters.

Several hard-line lawmakers said they had hoped to use their parliamentary status to get around the ban. They, too, were told they would be prohibited from visiting the mosque compound, according to Reuters.

But Revava, the far-right group organizing the rally, has pledged to go ahead anyway, saying its supporters would get as close to the holy site as possible.

On March 16, Israel's Channel Two television showed a video of Jewish rabbis and far-right extremists discussing ways to occupy the Aqsa compound at a secret meeting in the Old City.

Assurances

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Thousands of Palestinians, including masked gunmen, marched in Gaza to denounce Jewish plans to storm Al-Aqsa. (Reuters)

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas told reporters he had received assurances from Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz that security forces would prevent any attack on the compound in Al-Aqsa, according to Reuters Friday.

An attack on the compound could inflame Muslims worldwide and jeopardize US-backed efforts to revive Middle East peace talks, according to Reuters.

Sunday is the eve of a meeting between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and President George W. Bush in Texas.

Palestinians began their Intifadah in 2000 after Sharon, then opposition leader, toured the compound under heavy security.

Israel bars Jewish prayer in the compound to avoid aggravating tensions. But police restored access for Israelis and other non-Muslims in 2003 after a years-long security ban.

On Friday, they denied access to Muslim men under 40 and to anyone without a Jerusalem residence card in a bid to limit numbers and prevent tempers flaring.

Police commanders said the prayers passed off without major incident.

Three groups of faithful who had been denied access to the mosque compound gathered by the walls of the Old City between Damascus Gate and the Rockerfeller museum to pray in the street, an Agence France-Presse (AFP) photographer said.

The Palestinian leadership warned Thursday that any attack on the compound “would be an aggression against the Arab and Islamic nations”.

Several times before, Israeli occupation forces had stormed the mosque’s esplanade and clashed with Muslim worshipers.

On April 12, 2004, at least 70 Palestinians were injured when Israeli forces stormed the mosque compound.

Archeologists have also warned that ongoing Israeli excavations weakened the foundations of Al-Aqsa mosque, cautioning it would not stand a powerful earthquake.

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**jazzshowers** · 04-09-2005

i jus dun understand,why r we fighting among each other?i wouldnt really know about the true basic history about this confrontation between muslims and jews,but why are we fighting with our own flesh and blood.yes i call them our flesh and blood simply because we are human beings which are all descendants of Adam,in fact we are all should be brothers since we are praying to the same god,doesnt matter wether the jews call it yahweh and we call it Allah.to be more on the truth,the jews are directly descended from Abraham and so as Muhammad,so Muhammad has the jewish blood running in his veins.So,do we have a clear reason why are we fighting against each other?Is it to defend ourselves?or is it just pride?we got to clear things out and realise things the way it should be.Truth will always remain truth while false facts will never be reality.Im ashamed that a person like the late Pope John Paul ii can apply the concept of The Abraham Brotherhood while we as Muslims cant realise simple things such as being written.We shall end this and stop this terror which is damaging our reputation as a peaceful religion.Moreover we are fighting against our own brothers.We should stop having prejudice among each other,but sometimes we just cant help it because in certain regions some muslims which practices a different brand of Islam are having prejudice from another taught of the religion.Awareness is important as it will not make u fall from your stand but too much of it which i call prejudice will kill off our Islamic way of life.Im not taking any side but we just got to realise things more realistically and have a more modern mentality and approach towards situation that we have to encounter and so on.

**Uthman** · 04-09-2005

Jazzshower you are right.

I agree 100%.

But this is the natural order of things. Conflict will always exist in this world no matter how much we try to explain. So all we can do is pray to Allah so that he can help our brothers and sisters. To them be their way and to us be ours.

**kadafi** · 04-09-2005

Originally Posted by jazzshowers

i jus dun understand,why r we fighting among each other?i wouldnt really know about the true basic history about this confrontation between muslims and jews,but why are we fighting with our own flesh and blood.yes i call them our flesh and blood simply because we are human beings which are all descendants of Adam,in fact we are all should be brothers since we are praying to the same god,doesnt matter wether the jews call it yahweh and we call it Allah.to be more on the truth,the jews are directly descended from Abraham and so as Muhammad,so Muhammad has the jewish blood running in his veins.So,do we have a clear reason why are we fighting against each other?Is it to defend ourselves?or is it just pride?we got to clear things out and realise things the way it should be.Truth will always remain truth while false facts will never be reality.Im ashamed that a person like the late Pope John Paul ii can apply the concept of The Abraham Brotherhood while we as Muslims cant realise simple things such as being written.We shall end this and stop this terror which is damaging our reputation as a peaceful religion.Moreover we are fighting against our own brothers.We should stop having prejudice among each other,but sometimes we just cant help it because in certain regions some muslims which practices a different brand of Islam are having prejudice from another taught of the religion.Awareness is important as it will not make u fall from your stand but too much of it which i call prejudice will kill off our Islamic way of life.Im not taking any side but we just got to realise things more realistically and have a more modern mentality and approach towards situation that we have to encounter and so on.

brother,

In order to reach a solution of this undergoing conflict, one has to refer back to its origin.

When Saladin (May Allah be pleased with him) liberated Jerusalem from the Crusaders who were known for their horrific brutality, he permitted the Jews to return to city whilst prior to the liberation, the Crusaders banned them (and Muslims) from enterin' the city. The Jews coexisted peacefully with the Muslims and Christians under the Muslim rule for centuries. A similiar event also occured in Andalusia Spain where Muslims liberated the Jews and Christians from the tyrant rule of the Visigoths. A Jewish Golden Age started to flourish dramatically after the advent of the liberation since the Muslims encouraged its citizens to seek knowledge.

Dr William W Baker noted:
Although the Jews joined with the enemies of early Islam, neither they nor Judaism were targeted by Muhammad or Islam. It is a fact of history that when the Jews were being persecuted in Europe during the Middle Ages they found peace, harmony, and acceptance among the Muslim people of Spain. In fact, this was the era of Jewish history that they themselves refer to as ‘the Golden Age

They continued to live peacefully untill the advent of Zionism. The Zionists commited large scale of massacres before the 1947 UN Partition Plan. The Partition Plan was biased and grossly unfair which resulted the Palestinians to reject it. Palestinians were forced to flee from their homes and at a certain stage were literally pushed in to the sea.

The Palestinians recognized Israel's right to exist in 1989 and re-iterated in 1993 at the Oslo accords while Israel still failes to explicitly and formally recognize Palestine's right to exist.

The Camp David proposal again was an unfair proposal and in spite of that, the Palestinians still acted in good faith and pursued negotiations in order to reach a solution. However, Sharon after winnin' the election disconnected the negotiations and started the second intifada.

Unless Israel fully reconigzes the Palestine's right to exist, there will never be a solution.

**yoshiyahu** · 04-10-2005

While some are no doubt planning to destroy your Waqf, this demonstration is an entirely non-violent one. Jews have just as many rights to pray on the Temple Mount as the Muslims do, and have been denied that right for years. The last time a person did it, he was arrested! Can that truly be said to be fair?

**yoshiyahu** · 04-10-2005

The Palestinians recognized Israel's right to exist in 1989

Source?

**SpaceFalcon2001** · 04-10-2005

Originally Posted by kadafi

Dr William W Baker noted:
Although the Jews joined with the enemies of early Islam, neither they nor Judaism were targeted by Muhammad or Islam. It is a fact of history that when the Jews were being persecuted in Europe during the Middle Ages they found peace, harmony, and acceptance among the Muslim people of Spain. In fact, this was the era of Jewish history that they themselves refer to as ‘the Golden Age

They continued to live peacefully untill the advent of Zionism.
...
lies

It's interesitng you quote this because the truth is, in many Muslim lands before zionism, Jews were horribly persecuted.
Syria:
Friedman wrote in "The Myth of Arab Tolerance", "One Caliph, Al-Hakem of the Fatimids devised particularly insidious humiliations for the Jews in his attempt to perform what he deemed his role as "Redeemer of Mankind". First the Jews were forced to wear miniature golden calf images around their necks, as though they still worshipped the golden calf, but the Jews refused to convert. Next they wore bells, and after that six pound wooden blocks were hung around their necks. In fury at his failure, the Caliph had the Cairo Jewish quarter destroyed, along with it's Jewish residence, in".
Iraq:
Jews had prospered in what was then Babylonia for 1200 years before the Muslim conquest in AD 634; it was not until the 9th century that Dhimmi laws such as the yellow patch, heavy head tax, and residence restriction were enforced. Capricious and extreme oppression under some Arab caliphs and Momlukes brought taxation amounting to expropriation in AD 1000, and 1333 the persecution culminated in pillage and destruction of the Bagdad Sanctuary. In 1776, there was a slaughter of Jews at Bosra, and in bitterness of anti-Jewish measures taken by Turkish Muslim rulers in the 18th century caused many Jews to flee.
Yemen:
In Yemen from the seventh century on the Jewish populations suffered the severest possible interpretation of the Charter of Omar. For about 4 centuries, the Jews suffered under the fierce fanatical edict of the most intolerant Islamic sects. The Yemen Epistle by Rambam in which he commiserated with Yemen's Jewry and besought them to keep the faith, and in 1724 fanatical rulers ordered synagogues destroyed, and Jewish public prayers were forbidden. The Jews were exiled, many died from starvation and the survivors were ordered to settle in Mausa, but later, this order was annulled by a decree in 1781 due to the need of their skilled craftsmen. Jacob Sappir a Jerusalem writer describes Yemeni Jews in Yemen in 1886: "The Arab natives have always considered the Jew unclean, but his blood for them was not considered unclean. They lay claims to all his belongings, and if he is unwilling, they employ force...The Jews live outside the town in dark dwellings like prison cells or caves out of
fear...for the least offense, he is sentenced to outrageous fines, which he is quite unable to pay. In case of non-payment, he is put in chains and cruelly beaten every day. Before the punishment is inflicted, the Cadi[judge] addresses him in gentle tones and urges him to change his faith and obtain a share of all the glory of this world and of the world beyond. His refusal is again regarded as penal obstinacy. On the other hand, it is not open to the Jew to prosecute a Muslim, as the Muslim by right of law can dispose of the life and the property of the Jew, and it is only to be regarded as an act of magnanimity if the Jews are allowed to live. The Jew is not admissible as a witness, nor has his oath any validity.".

And it goes on.

Unless Israel fully reconigzes the Palestine's right to exist, there will never be a solution.

I've said it before. When the Palestinians love their children more than they hate the Jew, peace will come.

**kadafi** · 04-10-2005

Originally Posted by SpaceFalcon2001

It's interesitng you quote this because the truth is, in many Muslim lands before zionism, Jews were horribly persecuted.
Syria:
Friedman wrote in "The Myth of Arab Tolerance", "One Caliph, Al-Hakem of the Fatimids devised particularly insidious humiliations for the Jews in his attempt to perform what he deemed his role as "Redeemer of Mankind". First the Jews were forced to wear miniature golden calf images around their necks, as though they still worshipped the golden calf, but the Jews refused to convert. Next they wore bells, and after that six pound wooden blocks were hung around their necks. In fury at his failure, the Caliph had the Cairo Jewish quarter destroyed, along with it's Jewish residence, in".

Greetings SpaceFalcon, before you quote someone, you should atleast carry out a small research just to substantiate that what you've cited is entirely accurate.

al-Hakim was never recongized as a Caliph and there is a two fold reason for this:

1. He claimed to be God incarnate (Druze sect)
2. He persecuted both non-Muslims AND Muslims

But for the sake of argumentation, let's assume that he was fully reconigzed as a Caliph. By claimin' that he only persecuted Jews is entirly false since he persecuted the Jews, Christians and Muslims. He didn't make any distinction who he persecuted and ergo why he was labeled by the Muslim historians as a madman.

Iraq:

Jews had prospered in what was then Babylonia for 1200 years before the Muslim conquest in AD 634; it was not until the 9th century that Dhimmi laws such as the yellow patch, heavy head tax, and residence restriction were enforced. Capricious and extreme oppression under some Arab caliphs and Momlukes brought taxation amounting to expropriation in AD 1000, and 1333 the persecution culminated in pillage and destruction of the Bagdad Sanctuary. In 1776, there was a slaughter of Jews at Bosra, and in bitterness of anti-Jewish measures taken by Turkish Muslim rulers in the 18th century caused many Jews to flee.

Obviously, the author of this statement prolly hasn't fully studied the Islamic history. Note how he doesn't mention "these Caliphs".

The only so-called Caliph (not reconigzed) that persecuted the Muslims and to a extent the Non-Muslims was Al-Hakim between the 10th and 11th century CE. The re-iteration of this non-Islam set of rules was at the decline of the Islamic Empire. Once the Muslims enforced this set of rules, the Islamic Empire declined.

This is evident in the words of Prof. Thomas Arnold:

A later generation attributed to 'Umar a number of restrictive regulations which hampered the Christians in the free exercise of their religion, but De Goeje and Caetanihave proved without doubt that they are the invention of a later age; as, however, Muslim theologians of less tolerant periods accepted these ordinaces as genuine, they are of the importance for forming a judgement as to the condition of the Christian Churches under Muslim rule. This so-called ordinace of 'Umar runs as follows: "In the name of God.......... you are at liberty to treat us as enemies and rebels".

As for Busra, I have looked at the Chronology presented between the 18th and 19th century in the book the Ottoman Empire -- 1700-1922 -- by Donald Quataert and yet I couldn't find this "important" event. I then looked on the internet and only found the Anti-Muslim sites presentin' this so-called fact without any reference. This led me to conclusion that this incident is mostly like an act of revisionism.

It's an fact of history that the Jews were known to flee to the Islamic Empire when they were persecuted by the their Christian counterparts. The Ottomans even rescued more than 200k Jews durin' the holocaust.

Let me a cite a excerpt regardin' the Protection of the Jews in General by the Ottoman Empire:

Jewish communities in Anatolia flourished and continued to prosper throughout the Ottomans anconquest. When the Ottomans captured Busra in 1324 and made it their capital, they found a Jewish community oppressed under Byzantine rule. The Jews welcomed the Ottomans as saviors. Sultan Orhan gave them permission to build the Etz ha-Hayyim (Tree of Life) synagogue which remained in service until 50 years ago.

Early in the 14th century, when the Ottomans had established their capital at Edirne, Jews from Europe, including Karaites, migrated there.-(Mark Allen Epstein, The Ottoman Jewish Communities and their Role in the 15th and 16th Centuries.) Similarly, Jews expelled from Hungary in 1376, from France by Charles VI in September 1394, and from Sicily early in the 15th century found refuge in the Ottoman Empire. In the 1420s, Jews from Salonika then under Venetian control fled to Edirne. -(Josef Nehama, Histoire des Israeliies de Salonique.)

Ottoman rule was much kinder than Byzantine rule had been. In fact, from the early 15th century on, the Ottomans actively encouraged Jewish immigration. A letter sent by Rabbi Yitzhak Safati (from Edirne) to Jewish communities in Europe in the first part of the century "invited his coreligionists to leave the torments they were enduring in Christendom and to seek safety and prosperity in Turkey." -(Bernard Lewis, The Jews of Islam.)

When Mehmet II "the Conqueror" took Constantinople in 1453, he encountered an oppressed Romaniot (Byzantine) Jewish community which welcomed him with enthusiasm. Sultan Mehmet II issued a proclamation to all Jews " to ascend the site of the Imperial Throne, to dwell in the best of the land, each beneath his Dine and his fig tree, with silver and with gold, with wealth and with cattle…." -( Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 16 page1532.)

In 1470, Jews expelled from Bavaria by Ludvig X found refuge in the Ottoman Empire. -(Avram Galante, Histiore des Juifs d'Istanbul, Volume 2.)

On the midnight of August 2nd 1492, when Columbus embarked on what would become his most famous expedition to the New World, his fleet departed from the relatively unknown seaport of Palos because the shipping lanes of Cadiz and Seville were clogged with Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain by the Edict of Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand of Spain.

Sultan Bayazid II's offer of refuge gave new hope to the persecuted Sephardim. In 1492, the Sultan ordered the governors of the provinces of the Ottoman Empire "not to refuse the Jews entry or cause them difficulties, but to receive them cordially." -(Abraham Danon, in the Review Yossef Daath No.4.) According to Bernard Lewis, "the Jews were not just permitted to settle in the Ottoman lands, but were encouraged, assisted and sometimes even compelled."

Immanual Abobab attributes to Bayazid II the famous remark that "the Catholic monarch Ferdinand was wrongly considered as wise, since he impoverished Spain by the expulsion of the Jews, and enriched Turkey." -(Immanual Abobab, A Consolacam as Tribulacoes de Israel, III Israel.)

Over the centuries an increasing number of European Jews, escaping persecution in their native countries, settled in the Ottoman Empire. In 1537 the Jews expelled from Apulia (Italy) after the city fell under Papal control and, in 1542 those expelled from Bohemia by King Ferdinand found a safe haven in the Ottoman Empire. -(H. Graetz, History of the Jews.) In March of 1556, Sultan Sulayman "the Magnificent" wrote a letter to Pope Paul IV asking for immediate release of the Acona Marranos, whom he declared to be Ottoman citizens. The Pope had no alternative but to release them, the Ottoman Empire being the "Superpower" of that time.

In the words of Huston Smith when he stated:
“...Muslims point to the long centuries during which in India, Spain, and the Near East, Christians, Jews, and Hindus lived quietly and in freedom under Muslim rule. Even under the worst caliphs, Christians and Jews held positions of influence and in general retained their religious freedom. The Christians, not Muslims, we are reminded, expelled the Jews in the fifteenth century from Spain where they had lived in freedom while the Muslims were in power.”

Yemen:

In Yemen from the seventh century on the Jewish populations suffered the severest possible interpretation of the Charter of Omar. For about 4 centuries, the Jews suffered under the fierce fanatical edict of the most intolerant Islamic sects. The Yemen Epistle by Rambam in which he commiserated with Yemen's Jewry and besought them to keep the faith, and in 1724 fanatical rulers ordered synagogues destroyed, and Jewish public prayers were forbidden. The Jews were exiled, many died from starvation and the survivors were ordered to settle in Mausa, but later, this order was annulled by a decree in 1781 due to the need of their skilled craftsmen. Jacob Sappir a Jerusalem writer describes Yemeni Jews in Yemen in 1886: "The Arab natives have always considered the Jew unclean, but his blood for them was not considered unclean. They lay claims to all his belongings, and if he is unwilling, they employ force...The Jews live outside the town in dark dwellings like prison cells or caves out of
fear...for the least offense, he is sentenced to outrageous fines, which he is quite unable to pay. In case of non-payment, he is put in chains and cruelly beaten every day. Before the punishment is inflicted, the Cadi[judge] addresses him in gentle tones and urges him to change his faith and obtain a share of all the glory of this world and of the world beyond. His refusal is again regarded as penal obstinacy. On the other hand, it is not open to the Jew to prosecute a Muslim, as the Muslim by right of law can dispose of the life and the property of the Jew, and it is only to be regarded as an act of magnanimity if the Jews are allowed to live. The Jew is not admissible as a witness, nor has his oath any validity.".

This again is grossly incorrect and Jacob Sappir who is not only a Jerusalem writer but also a JEWISH SCHOLAR demonstrates his biasedness with exaggerations. The Yemenite Jews were liberated and enjoyed a great deal of tolerance from the Muslim rulers 'till the Shia Imams (at a later period) forced them to wear distinctive clothes.

A good to read that is free from biasedness is the Spread of Islam in the World by Prof. Thomas Arnold who happens to be a Non-Muslim.

Wasn't it for the tolerance propagated by the Muslims, thousands of Jews would have been the victims of such great intolerance executed in Dark Ages Europe. An mentionable occasion that I would like to state is that durin' the Spanish Inquisition, the Jews and Muslims were exiled to North Africa. The Muslims still aided them and brought them safely to North Africa where an another Golden Age flourished.

The tolerance demonstrated to the Jews by the Muslims has never been paid back but instead returned 'ethnic cleasning', 'land stealing', massacres and what more.

I've said it before. When the Palestinians love their children more than they hate the Jew, peace will come.

Contrary, when the Zionists stop persecutin', provokin' war and ethnic divisions, sowing xenophobia and hatred then maybe, peace will come.

History bore witness that the Jews lived peacefully under the Muslim rule and it can happen again when there is a new Caliphate in Palestine.

Peace

Originally Posted by yoshiyahu

]Source?

Hi yoshiyahu, this is common knowledge my friend. The PLO fully reconigzed Israel's right to exist in '88 and in the Oslo agreement in '93. You can simply a do google search my friend.

Peace

**SpaceFalcon2001** · 04-10-2005

Originally Posted by kadafi

The tolerance demonstrated to the Jews by the Muslims has never been paid back

Because when we have the chance, we lose the muslim tolerance, and they act extremely aggressive towards us.

The druze and bedouine would argue greatly with you on the idea of tolerance under Israel, as they peacefully accepted that Palestine never existed and live with no troubles in Israel today.

History bore witness that the Jews lived peacefully under the Muslim rule and it can happen again when there is a new Caliphate in Palestine.

Just as the attacks on Jews would continue as well. There are times of peace, but also times of war. Despite that you don't accept when those muslims attacked Jews, they still claimed themselves to be Muslim.

**alil** · 04-10-2005

falcon,you got to understand and differentiate between the true teachings of islam and the reality of the world.yes i do admit that most of the terrorist acts had been done by those people who claimed,i repeat who claimed they are muslims and are fighting for islam but does the actions which was taken really follow the true teachings of islam?lets get this simple,every religion in the world teaches us to be good,love the people and other creations of god except the differences by the way we pray,what we recite and some other spritual way of conducting ourselves towards god but the main thing is the philosophy of each religion in this world which wants their followers to create a peaceful surrounding around the world.so,the explanation is,the ones who are admitting those crimes are truly individuals which are using religion for their own sentiments and personal benefits.the basic morality of sociallizing in islam are such as respecting other races or religions,have good ties with everybody,tolerate others,treat others with fairness and never oppress anybody coz we come from Adam so everyone is equal.we have no rights to claim which particular race or religion is far more superior than the others and we have no rights to take away any life from this planet except god.

**yoshiyahu** · 04-10-2005

Hi yoshiyahu, this is common knowledge my friend. The PLO fully reconigzed Israel's right to exist in '88 and in the Oslo agreement in '93. You can simply a do google search my friend.

I never got into much of the Pre-1990's history of the Israeli/Arab conflict. I usually find debates about the stuff before 1990 (either side can point and say "Look what they did!" - though that can still be said)

**yoshiyahu** · 04-11-2005

More than 3,000 Jewish Worshipers were turned away from the Old City of Jerusalem by a massive armed police presence today. The major entrance to Jerusalem from the Shomron were also bristling with police and army personnel, and many individuals were turned back before they even reached Jerusalem.

In the Old City itself, large armored vehicles were conspicuously placed at the main gates, and police barricades funneled pedestrians into single file where they were individually checked by heavily armed officers, backed u by border guards and horse-mounted units. Anyone suspected of being a Revava activist was turned away. Merely wearing a Revava t-shirt was enough to prevent entry.

While the police were successful at preventing thousands from entering the Old City, more than 500 Revava activists managed to get through to the Kotel (Western Wall) where they prayed and danced through the morning. Approximately 50 were arrested. Most were released within a few hours.

David Ha'Ivri, Chairman of Revava, said "I'm sorry that the police gave in to terrorist threats and blocked Jewish prayers at the Temple Mount the holiest religious site for Jews. We hope tat at next month's prayer gathering the police will ensure that Jews are allowed to exercise our right to religious freedom."

**yoshiyahu** · 04-11-2005

and the islamic state of palestine is re-established

When did one ever exist?

**root** · 04-11-2005

But this is the natural order of things. Conflict will always exist in this world no matter how much we try to explain. So all we can do is pray to Allah so that he can help our brothers and sisters. To them be their way and to us be ours.

I found this quite a sad reflection. Why do we say this is the "natural" order of things.

Regards

Root

**Sheikh Haroon** · 04-11-2005

Peace dear root.

It isnt the natural order of things, it is the natural order of mankind. Man will always bring forth from his loins, arrogance and greed, worldly desires and hunger. That is natural, unfortunately.

Hey root, i wanted to keep talking to you about the hijaab thread! Where've you gone!!?

Regards

**SpaceFalcon2001** · 04-11-2005

Originally Posted by Hash

Yoshiyahu, before the jews robbed them.

Now you're claiming that God was invalid in giving the land from the cannanites (vicious killers, theives, and people of sexual immorality) to the Jews?

Or perhaps you mean the turkish empire, crushed under it's own corruption and support for the nazi regime (whos motives it encouraged)?

You fail to aknoledge history and ignore thousnads of years of jews and muslims living side by side in peace, you ignore thousnads of years of muslims caring and looking after jews.

I know very well how the muslims treated Jews when they liked them. I also know of the many instances when muslims treated Jews very poorly.
The Christians and Jews lived for many years in peace in france, but that didn't stop them from killing us on their crusades against muslims. The Jews lived in peace with christians and muslims in spain, but that didn't stop subsequent empires from attacking them.

And you can't really claim thousands when Islam has only been around for about 1500 years.

**kadafi** · 04-11-2005

Originally Posted by SpaceFalcon2001

Or perhaps you mean the turkish empire, crushed under it's own corruption and support for the nazi regime (whos motives it encouraged)?

That's a wrong term to refer to the Ottoman Empire. The Kaafir and traitor Ataturk brought the fall of the Caliphate in the Islamic Empire in 1924. So thus your claim that they supported the nazi regime falls flat on the ground FURTHERMORE, despite that I despise the post-1924 of Turkey, they never entered the war in WW2 but remained neutral.

They also saved more than 100k Jews durin' the war:

Turkey and the Holocaust: Turkey's Role in Rescuing Turkish and European Jewry from Nazi Persecution, 1933-1945
http://jews-for-allah.org/history-of-love/turkey_and_the_holocaust.htm

Originally Posted by SpaceFalcon2001

Because when we have the chance, we lose the muslim tolerance, and they act extremely aggressive towards us.

Could you please state this "chance" under a new topic? I'm quite curious concernin' this so-called repay chance that the Jews demonstrated to the Muslims. From what I've observed in reality, the only "requital" witnessed is the infamous 'ethnic cleansin'"

I know very well how the muslims treated Jews when they liked them. I also know of the many instances when muslims treated Jews very poorly.

I've already discussed this matter in my previous reply. You fail to offer evidence for this "many instances" while de facto, there was only a few instances. Not to mention that your post seems to carry the message that the Jews never carried out any aggressions.

But we have already deviated from the main topic and I would urge everyone to stick to the topic. We can continue this discussion on a new topic.

Peace

**yusuf musa** · 04-11-2005

the isrealis have no right to stop the muslims from going to friday prayers. friday prayers is just as important as saturday saabath and sunday mass. I dont understand how we helped the jews in the past and now they are doing this to us! im sorry its not all jews but the zionists. why isnt the ummah standing up to this kind of threat? the zionists want to get rid of masjid al aqsa, we need to stop this before it gets worse.

**MoonLight** · 04-12-2005

To the Zionist supporters here:

Where will this so called Palestinian state consist of? I see lands taken more and more everyday whether because of "the wall" or the settlement expansion. The Israelis idea of peace is a hoax, they abuse the word.

Peace is only achieved through the removal of occupation and no other way.

"When the Palestinians love their children more than they hate the Jew"

How absurd, you claim to know how much parents love their children, well that's what we needed also someone to tell us that, how sweet.

**alil** · 04-12-2005

wether it is or it is not i understand that it will happen doesnt matter how hard we try to understand everyone but why do we have to find some barbaric solutions like war?why do we have to keep on fighting?the best people are not those who never got into an arguement but the ones who falls into one and can provide solutions for it.as far as im concern,both jews and muslims failed because they have too much pride and boast about their status and position.