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    Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

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    Two female Muslim teachers in Brussels have been fired for refusing to take off their Islamic headscarf, or Hijab, Expatica reported.

    Officials say the two Muslim teachers were fired after the Brussels public education system warned them against wearing the Hijab.

    "In April 2005, the board of management of the Brussels school group decided that teachers, the same as students, were not allowed to wear noticeable religious symbols," said the director of the Brussels school group, Jacky Goris.

    "The two Muslim teachers started the school year in September 2005 in acceptance with the regulation. But around the New Year, they suddenly started wearing a headscarf. That is a breach of contract."

    Brussels Education Minister Guy Vanhengel backed the education system’s decision, and Flemish Education Minister Frank Vandenbroucke said schools are free to decide whether to ban the Islamic headscarf or not.

    The two fired teachers are fighting their dismissal in the council of appeal, which is made up of a magistrate, backed by two public school staff members who aren’t part of the Brussels school group.

    A final ruling is expected by the end of this month.

    The Islamic headscarf is meant to cover a Muslim woman’s hair, neck, throat and the upper part of her chest to protect her from the eyes of men outside her family.

    But the Hijab isn’t just about clothing, it is mainly to preserve women’s dignity and honor. In the Qur’an, Allah (SWT) instructs his followers on how to behave towards each other by saying in Surat An-Nur that all Muslim men and women should “lower the gaze”. Therefore, ordering a Muslim woman to remove her Hijab is like asking her to ignore one of her key religious obligations.

    Unfortunately, the Hijab has been the subject of heated debate in several European countries for more than a decade. Several European states have banned Muslim civil servants, teachers and students from wearing the headscarf.

    However, many Muslims in Europe succeeded in integrating themselves into their societies, while preserving their Islamic values and identities - following the basic governing Islamic rule in the relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims: peaceful co-existence. The hard work has led to the recognition of Muslims in many European states, which has seen many Muslims entering the political process.

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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    salaam alaikum!

    i have been thinking about the fear of the hiajb, and have come to this conclusion! that its not so much the hijab, they are against.... its Allah! (god) they are afraid of Allah!, we live in a wolrd where anyone only thinks of them selves and what they can get out of life..... and Allah has been forgotten.....subhanaallah.... and when we so wear our hijab its an insult to them.... because then allah comes closere to them... and remind them that there is some one greatere than them....
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    Where is Brussels?
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    Salaam alaika ya rasullulah, wa salaam alaika ya habibAllah

    its in belgium! but its not only there , there is problems with hijab!
    denmark to !!!!! where i live

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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    format_quote Originally Posted by sonz
    ...were not allowed to wear noticeable religious symbols
    That mens the crucifix

    THIS IS A HORRIBLE LAW.

    THE CRUCIFIX OUGHT TO BE ALLOWED IN EVERY PLACE ON THE EARTH

    ANYWHERE THE CRUCIFIX IS NOT ALLOWED WILL BE PUNISHED BY G-D (or however you spell it these days)
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    1. Is it compulsory for them to wear the cross?
    2. Cant they just tuck it under their shirts?- its no longer noticable.
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    Salaam alaika ya rasullulah, wa salaam alaika ya habibAllah!
    i think one must remember that their level of faith is just not the same as ours!!!!!! and i really dont think, that because they wear the cross , that they are especially religios........ its like a broche to them..... its like they have to wear it to tell us! looook we believe in something to..... when thats said... there are of cause some one of them who believe...... and its not them who fights us

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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98 View Post
    BY G-D (or however you spell it these days)[/B]
    Gd i seen i thinks thats the new way

    Anyway i think this stupid law is sooooo ...hmm stupid, Why stop this as this is going to help society. I mean France and other countries are not making the situation better by banning religious clothing.
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    Salaam alaika ya rasullulah, wa salaam alaika ya habibAllah!

    you are 100% right!......
    but dont you see???? they dont want to destroy what they have now!!!!!!! all the women walk a´round almost naked........ and the men love it....... the women have no dignity..... no hounor....... we live in a mens world.... still!!!!!!1 and then we come with our hijabs and wont follow the fashion... and their rules......sooooooo they must forbid the hijab before the women find their worth.........


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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    Assalamu Alikum,


    ^^ Nice point Nennar......... somehow most non-muslims find it hard to believe that the so called free women are really slaves to their men revered only for their bodies. It is no surprsie the amount of eating disorders among young girls and women that circulate in the western world, not to mention the constant quest for cosmetic surgery to attain "the perfect LOOK and BODY". This shows the low self esteem and self worth among these women and how cheaply they sell themselves to the men.
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    format_quote Originally Posted by nennar View Post
    salaam alaikum!

    i have been thinking about the fear of the hiajb, and have come to this conclusion! that its not so much the hijab, they are against.... its Allah ! (god)
    I agree. Thats exactly what they are against, your version of God. The hijab is just a symbol for both sides.

    they are afraid of Allah!, we live in a wolrd where anyone only thinks of them selves and what they can get out of life..... and Allah has been forgotten.....subhanaallah.... and when we so wear our hijab its an insult to them.... because then allah comes closere to them... and remind them that there is some one greatere than them....
    Well, no. They do not accept him. At least, not like many Muslims view him. Your argument does not make sense. If they would believe in your God they would also obey him. It is sheer lunacy to believe in an all-powerful God, but reject his rulings.
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    format_quote Originally Posted by sameer View Post
    somehow most non-muslims find it hard to believe that the so called free women are really slaves to their men revered only for their bodies.
    Really? Ruth Bader Ginsburg sat on the US Supreme Court recently. Are you telling me that she only got there because men revered her for her body? If the Muslim world really does revere women for their minds you ought to be able to point me to a Muslim woman who has achieved the same. Can you? It is true that some women get elected to high positions in the Muslim world, but usually only if they are some man's daughter or widow. Britain has had a female Prime Minister who was not, I would think, revered for her body. Can you tell me of a single female Prime Minister in the Muslim world who was not related to some more important man?

    This shows the low self esteem and self worth among these women and how cheaply they sell themselves to the men.
    And yet the West has women like Carly Fiorina (who I admit I quite fancy for some reason so I am not sure if she is purely admired for her brains) - can you tell me a Muslim woman who has risen to the top of a multi-national company in the Muslim world without the backing of her family? The West has had great authors like George Sand and Jane Austen. If Muslim women were renowned for their intelligence and achivements and not their looks perhaps you could tell me of the names of a couple of pre-1900 Muslima writers and authors?
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    format_quote Originally Posted by cheese View Post
    1. Is it compulsory for them to wear the cross?
    Compulsory? No, in fact its not allowed for teachers. At least not openly.

    But in Belgium it's left to the individual schools to decide this matter. There is no law on it, only school regulations.

    2. Cant they just tuck it under their shirts?- its no longer noticable.
    They can yes, then it would be allowed. Maybe the Muslim teachers should try the same with the hijab. Like put a wig on top of it or something. Or a big hat .
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    Salaam alaika ya rasullulah, wa salaam alaika ya habibAllah!

    excuse me?????? where do you live????? on the moon????? do you really think that because ONE woman (ruth bader ginsburg) was on the surprime court..... that its so special????? what do you know of her life???? what do you know of her struggles???? its not easy to be a woman... i know that! i have just put my hijab on.... because i wanted to live like all the THE other women .... but could not live up to the STANDARD of the so called free women.... and dont see the purpose in in selling my self.. everyday
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    format_quote Originally Posted by nennar View Post
    excuse me?????? where do you live????? on the moon????? do you really think that because ONE woman (ruth bader ginsburg) was on the surprime court..... that its so special?????
    Ruth Bader Ginsburg was actually the second woman to sit on the Supreme Court. Sandra Day O'Connor was the first. It may not be special, but it is something. No doubt in the Muslim world where women are only appreciated for their intelligence and not their looks there will be dozens of women in the same level of society without being anyone's sister, daughter or widow - right?

    what do you know of her life???? what do you know of her struggles???? its not easy to be a woman... i know that!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Bader_Ginsburg

    My question is, what does it matter? What is your point?

    i have just put my hijab on.... because i wanted to live like all the THE other women .... but could not live up to the STANDARD of the so called free women.... and dont see the purpose in in selling my self.. everyday
    I am happy that you have found something that makes you happy but I do not see the relevance. You do not have to sell yourself every day and saying so does not make it true. The West allows silly girls to drape themselves over cars. It also allows Ruth Bader Ginsburg to sit on the Supreme Court and Carly Fiorina to run a major multi-national corporation. I don't approve of one, but I do approve of the other. Don't you think it would have been more fair of you to acknowledge both sorts of careers for women in the West?
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    Salaam alaika ya rasullulah, wa salaam alaika ya habibAllah! brother sameer! you are so right! women do all kind of things to them selves because they are scared to be alone and undesired... subhanallah its so sad! there is something called iner beauty

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    format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou View Post

    And yet the West has women like Carly Fiorina (who I admit I quite fancy for some reason so I am not sure if she is purely admired for her brains) - can you tell me a Muslim woman who has risen to the top of a multi-national company in the Muslim world without the backing of her family? The West has had great authors like George Sand and Jane Austen. If Muslim women were renowned for their intelligence and achivements and not their looks perhaps you could tell me of the names of a couple of pre-1900 Muslima writers and authors?
    I had to check this woman out and man you have BAD taste

    Anyway yes there are Muslim women that are famous for thier writing and so on but most these women are abroad and thier writing isnt very popular!

    Tamina Durani is one her book "My FEUDAL LORD" is an amazing read
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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    Salaam alaika ya rasullulah, wa salaam alaika ya habibAllah!

    thank you so much sister! for your input!!!!!! i am still a new learner... so i to have a lot to learn




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    ^^^ yes I agree that some women in the west have risen to extradinary heights in terms of their acheivements.... but can u tell me that the majority of women fall into this category? and also y every beer, cigarette, magazine, sport, car avertisment have to use women to lure buyers?

    also there are no "Islamic" country in the world today...jsut countries that have a lot of muslims living there. None of these countries are run acccording to coorect islamic law and guidelines according the sunnah and Quran. If women are kept down in these countries, it is because of cutural practices and not islam. In terms of women being elected as prime minister...in an ideal muslim world....the muslims wont be run by a prime minister but by an Ameer which is male. There can be ameeras (female leaders among women) but the ultimate leader would be a male, again this leader would be selected by the guidlines set by the rasool (saw)
    Maybe the educated muslims here can correct me if i am wrong? Or maybe explain it better than me cause i am not good at this.?

    You spoke about pre1900s authors writers etc....what kind of books do u speak of? there are many islamic scholars that were muslim women
    eg. Ayesha(r) the wife of the prophet (saw) she had known the most hadith and men respected her and would come to her for judgements and advice on various issues. Today almost all muslims live thier lives according to her narrations of what the prophet(saw) did or said. U or no muslim man sould cry down women in islam ...after all the first person to accept islam was a woman - khadijah (r).

    ..tell me what was the status of western women pre 1900s? where they allowed the rite of inheritance? alimony? divorce? the right to property? the right to control her own estate? etc Islam has givin women these rights since 1400 years ago....the west only gave them this right 100 yrs ago....oh yeah..and the right to vote and opinion? check when westerm women got this right.


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    Re: Brussels Muslim teachers fired over Hijab

    sister nennar,
    your are right to ask of the struggles of the western women.
    http://www.wic.org/misc/history.htm
    heres a link showing some of the dates that these "free" women got some of their rites....oh yeah..they had to struggle for it.....
    while the rights of our sisters was given by Allah over 1400 years ago...in a time (b4 islam) where men used to bury their girl childeren alive beacuse it was though to be an insult or bad omen to have girl children and no sons.

    The west has advantages for women (no thanks to their men).....but seems to me u are playing catch-up.
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