Israeli human rights group, B'tselem -Israeli troops guilty of human sheild tactics

no responses..lol as expected..

continue to bury your heads in the sands

yes and continue to preach to us how moral and ethical the Israeli army is

The IDF are barberic cowards, they have killed 900+ civilians in Lebanon and displaced a million people from their homes and at the same time they are killing in Gaza. And the barberic US administration is supplying the IDF with weapons and they are using our British airports to do it. :anger: And at the same time the US has the bloody nerve to try and tell Iran and Syria not to arm Hizbollah. I hope Iran arms Hizbollah with high tech weaponry.

format_quote Originally Posted by QuranStudy

It's hilarious when Jews blame their faults on other parties.

Was that necessary? Do we like it when people say something like 'It's hilarious when Muslims blame their faults on other parties'?

Also, no picking on other members, regardless of whether you dislike them. Not only is it against the rules, it's also downright rude.

format_quote Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5212870.stm


lets see what the responses of guyabano, Gerinimo, Lavikor are

He shows me where the soldiers positioned them: outside the entrance to his flat on the third floor, in the stairwell, facing down the steps.

"I think they put us here because they were expecting suiciders to come into the flat because none of the soldiers were on the stairs - they were all inside the flat. They put us here so we'll be shot first."

So let me get this right: you're criticising the Israeli Army based on a British BBC reporters interview with a Lebanese suspected Hezbollah member who thought that perhaps he was put against the wall in case Hezbollah attacked?

I have many thoughts swirling in my head, but may I ask whether there is anything that made Israelis look bad that you would not believe?

Oh, you must try harder.

A Brazillian guy gets shot in the head multiple times because a cop thought he looked a bit foreign?

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

Oh, you must try harder.

A Brazillian guy gets shot in the head multiple times because a cop thought he looked a bit foreign?

Was that addressed to me? If so, why do I need to do a thing? I do not think there is a connection between the two. We all know why he was shot - and it was not because a policeman thought he looked foreign. It is well documented. The police talked about what they did and why. This is not a confession from the IDF, but an interview with some guy who says he was held prisoner by the Israelis and they made him stand in a corner so of course he must have been a human shield - could the Hezbollah men even see him standing against the wall of an apartment?

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

Was that addressed to me? If so, why do I need to do a thing? I do not think there is a connection between the two. We all know why he was shot - and it was not because a policeman thought he looked foreign.

Yes, but it helped!

It is well documented. The police talked about what they did and why.

After attempting to cover it up, but yes.

This is not a confession from the IDF, but an interview with some guy who says he was held prisoner by the Israelis and they made him stand in a corner so of course he must have been a human shield - could the Hezbollah men even see him standing against the wall of an apartment?

Considering the IDF is being accused of breaching human rights, what motivation would they have for confessing said breach?

I'm not saying that the IDF did in fact use human sheilds, and I'm not saying that they did not. I'm simply saying that we need to wait for more information to present itself before forming a fair judgement.

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

Considering the IDF is being accused of breaching human rights, what motivation would they have for confessing said breach?

Arrogance?

I'm not saying that the IDF did in fact use human sheilds, and I'm not saying that they did not. I'm simply saying that we need to wait for more information to present itself before forming a fair judgement.

I am totally with you on that. Completely. 100 percent. This is why you're a Mod I guess.

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format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

He shows me where the soldiers positioned them: outside the entrance to his flat on the third floor, in the stairwell, facing down the steps.

"I think they put us here because they were expecting suiciders to come into the flat because none of the soldiers were on the stairs - they were all inside the flat. They put us here so we'll be shot first."

So let me get this right: you're criticising the Israeli Army based on a British BBC reporters interview with a Lebanese suspected Hezbollah member who thought that perhaps he was put against the wall in case Hezbollah attacked?

I have many thoughts swirling in my head, but may I ask whether there is anything that made Israelis look bad that you would not believe?

havent you even READ the article?????????????

what Hezbollah are you on about..man...the article doesnt even mention them

what suspected lebanese Hezbollah..the article is about PALESTINE.

let me POST the article here for you Mr Heigou


Israelis accused of 'human shields' tactic
By Lucy Williamson
BBC News, Gaza


The Israeli army has been accused of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in an operation in northern Gaza.
According to the Israeli human rights group, B'tselem, six civilians including two minors were subjected to the illegal tactic during an incursion into the town of Beit Hanoun last week.

Hazem Ali says he was subjected to a terrifying 12-hour ordeal
There are piles of rubble leading up to the hole in Hazem Ali's house.

It's a week since Israel came into Beit Hanoun, but the gash in the side of his house is still raw, the soft inside of family life still visible through the lumps of concrete hanging from the wall. A broken bed; a few girders dripping onto it; an elegant wardrobe still standing against the back wall.

It was soon after dawn when the Israeli army bulldozed their way in. Hazem was still sleeping, taking a break from his job as an engineer with the local Palestinian news agency.

'Blindfolded'

It was his mother who met them in the hallway, Israeli soldiers in a Palestinian home. Behind her, Hazem and his two brothers emerged, one by one.

The three brothers were blindfolded, says Hazem, and their hands tied behind their backs. He shows me the wounds on his wrists from the plastic handcuffs - still sore and infected, but beginning to heal over.

He shows me where the soldiers positioned them: outside the entrance to his flat on the third floor, in the stairwell, facing down the steps.


The wounds are healing

"I think they put us here because they were expecting suiciders to come into the flat because none of the soldiers were on the stairs - they were all inside the flat. They put us here so we'll be shot first."

Inside the flat, the soldiers punched holes in the walls of his living room, and bedroom. Through them, snipers exchanged fire with Palestinian militants. Hazem and his brothers heard it all, but could see nothing.


Hazem says he had little idea at the time exactly how long he was kept there. All he remembers was listening to the heavy gunfire around him, and counting the calls to prayer as they echoed over the area: one at lunchtime, one at tea-time, and one in the evening as the sun set. Twelve hours in all.

He says he expected to die any second. He still can't understand why, as civilians, they couldn't be kept in a room somewhere inside the house, where they would have been safer. But they put us in the middle of the clashes, he says. "There was no need for that."

Court outlawed tactic

Allegations over Israel's use of human shields have surfaced before. The last time they made headlines was during Operation Defensive Shield in the West Bank town of Jenin, four years ago.

This was a very blatant violation of the prohibition of the use of human shields

Yekhezel Lain, B'tselem

The army denied its personnel systematically used civilians as human shields during that operation, but it did issue an order outlawing the practice. As did the Israeli High Court.

But Yekhezel Lain, research director with the Israeli human rights group B'tselem says they are worried those guarantees are now being eroded. He says the cases in Beit Hanoun last week are the first of their kind since the High Court decision.

"This was a very blatant violation of the prohibition of the use of human shields," he tells me. "It was just soldiers hiding behind the back of civilians who were held with force in their homes."

B'tselem says it is investigating reports of other, similar incidents in Gaza during the past month. And it is worried that - having withdrawn from Gaza last year - the Israeli army may see the area as distinct from other Palestinian Territories.

The group is concerned about Israel establishing different rules in the case of the Gaza Strip where according to the state, there is no occupation any more - it's only a state of war, or armed conflict. The human rights group does not believe there is a difference when it comes to the protection of civilians.

The IDF told the BBC the claims in Beit Hanoun were being investigated, and that its soldiers were obliged to act in accordance with moral principles and the rules of engagement. Any misconduct, they said, would be looked into.

As he waits for news of his case in Beit Hanoun, Hazem Ali has got the builders in to fill the holes in his flat, re-glaze his windows and repair as much of the damage as he can.

His wife, meanwhile, is preparing for the birth of their first child. She is half Egyptian, and has been asking Hazem to move out of the Gaza Strip for months now. But he refuses to leave. There's no running away from Gaza, he says.

what is it you dont get Heigou..NO HEZBOLLAH MENTIONED NO LEBANESE..THE ISRAELI HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP SAYS THE ARMY USES HUMAN SHEILDS.

Next time..heres a tip.. 'READ THE ARTICLES BEFORE YOU COMMENT' Sheesh

I have deleted posts which I feel have nothing to do with the topic and everything to do with attacking other members when they are not here to defend themselves. In addition, such posts are close to constiuting 'Beef', which is a warnable offence.

Please stay on-topic.

format_quote Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

what Hezbollah are you on about..man...the article doesnt even mention them

what suspected lebanese Hezbollah..the article is about PALESTINE.

Mea culpa. I was confusing Beit Hanoun with a town in Lebanon. My mistake.

However my point remains true.

He shows me where the soldiers positioned them: outside the entrance to his flat on the third floor, in the stairwell, facing down the steps.

So this is the problem right? The IDF is fighting with some militants, they arrest three young men and they keep this one in the stairwell outside his flat for a few hours while they are busy fighting. Is there any evidence that any Palestinian militants could see him in the stairwell or knew he was there?

"I think they put us here because they were expecting suiciders to come into the flat because none of the soldiers were on the stairs - they were all inside the flat. They put us here so we'll be shot first."

So this whole article boils down to what this one young man thought the soldiers were doing. Exactly why would anyone think the militants would come up the stair well? To do that they would have to be winning and the Israelis retreating which is unlikely given their air power.

Inside the flat, the soldiers punched holes in the walls of his living room, and bedroom. Through them, snipers exchanged fire with Palestinian militants. Hazem and his brothers heard it all, but could see nothing.

So they were not exposed to fire from the Palestinian militants and if the three could not see them, it is unlikely that the militants could see them either. So how are they "human shields"?

He says he expected to die any second. He still can't understand why, as civilians, they couldn't be kept in a room somewhere inside the house, where they would have been safer. But they put us in the middle of the clashes, he says. "There was no need for that."

How much safer can you get than a stairwell? They were inside the building by the sounds of it. They were not in the middle of the clashes at all. Keeping them in their house - where there was shooting - would obviously be riskier.

The army denied its personnel systematically used civilians as human shields during that operation, but it did issue an order outlawing the practice. As did the Israeli High Court.

So the IDF bans it. Fine.

"This was a very blatant violation of the prohibition of the use of human shields," he tells me. "It was just soldiers hiding behind the back of civilians who were held with force in their homes."

I fail to see that - their complaint is that they were not held in their homes. What is the evidence that they were used as human shields?

Why do you believe what any Israeli says? You usually do not.

format_quote Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5212870.stm


lets see what the responses of guyabano, Gerinimo, Lavikor are

You saw the date of this news ? Tuesday, 25 July 2006

A little bit old and out of date. THings have changed already since that date

Nice try, but as all of your posts... thin air pppfffffffff




and....oh, before I forget: Watch this and accept finally the facts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ8fSkSMhjw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM35dzT9dUI

and the best is, in the second video, you can EVEN see, how these terrorists/cowards hide in the civilan mass after an air attack of Israelis.

Yes I know, you will say again it's a fake, and ............. ................ (fill the blanks) and you will provide me again absolutely ridiculous links. YAWN !