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    I know this is old news but the "new middle east" resolution worries me.

    If theres a new middle east what does that mean? Are they gonna implement there western laws into the middle east? SubhanAllah isnt britain and America bad enuff for now, now they want to make the middle east another Ar-Rum (Britain/Rome). SubhanAllah times are only getting worse!!!




    Rice wants ceasefire that helps forge 'new Middle East' Sheldon Alberts, CanWest News Service

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    WASHINGTON -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday rejected international calls for an early ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah extremists, saying a quick end to the fighting would only give Lebanese and Israeli civilians the "false promise" of a lasting peace.

    Rice will embark Sunday to the Middle East on an emergency diplomatic mission to open talks aimed at bringing a "sustainable end" to the violence.

    She will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert before heading to Italy for negotiations with the Lebanon "core group," which includes representatives from Egypt, France, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Great Britain, Russia and the Lebanese government.

    The U.S. is "beginning to see the outlines of a political framework" that would require Hezbollah to disarm and include eventual deployment of a "robust" international force to the Lebanese-Israeli border, Rice said.

    "We do seek an end to the current violence, and we seek it urgently," she said.

    But Rice stressed the U.S. Bush administration is not interested in "quick fixes" and said the world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East" in the current fighting between Israel and Hezbollah.

    "A ceasefire would be a false promise if it simply returns us to the status quo, allowing terrorists to launch attacks at the time and terms of their choosing," Rice told reporters at a U.S. State Department news conference.

    "I have no interest in diplomacy for the sake of returning Lebanon and Israel to the status quo ante E Whatever we do, we have to be certain that we are pushing forward to the new Middle East, not going back to the old one."

    Rice's remarks came amid fresh criticism from U.S. liberals, who accuse the Bush administration of mishandling the crisis.

    Senator Edward Kennedy called the administration's refusal to seek an immediate halt to the fighting "a disaster" that could lead to further escalation of the violence.

    "We have effectively abdicated our position in that part of the world," Kennedy told Bloomberg television. "Unless the United States is involved and engaged in using its good offices, and trying to find the forces on all sides to advance the cause of peace, we're going to continue to see cycles of violence."

    The U.S. reluctance to seek a speedy ceasefire, however, stems from President George W. Bush's view that Israel's fight against Hezbollah is part of the broader war on terror in the Middle East, and his belief in the need for a democratic transformation in the region.

    The White House maintains that disarming Hezbollah in southern Lebanon will allow the nascent, democratically elected Lebanese government to emerge as a stable and peaceful neighbour of Israel.

    "Those extremists want to strangle (the Lebanese government) in its crib E much as the extremists want to strangle other new democratic governments in the region," Rice said.

    "We are going through a very violent time," she added, but "people need to stand strong now. The time has come, not to just take a temporary solution that is going to fall apart."

    Administration critics, though, say the explosion of violence between Hezbollah and Israel is evidence that U.S. policy in the Middle East is backfiring.

    The White House strongly supported free elections in the region, only to see voters embrace Hamas in the Palestinian Authority and reward Hezbollah with enough political power in Beirut to thwart efforts to rein in its fighters.

    "The Bush administration decided to make Lebanon one of the test cases of transformation and promotion of democracy," said Martin Indyk, a senior fellow in Middle East studies at the Brookings Institution. "The Lebanese got freedom, but they paid in terms of stability."

    At a symposium on Israeli-Hezbollah crisis this week, Indyk said Lebanon's inability to control Hezbollah mirrors the problems facing Iraq's democratically elected government.

    Over the past two months, more than 6,000 Iraqi civilians have died in rampant sectarian violence.

    A reassessment of U.S. policy favouring transformation of the Middle East through regime change and democratization is "long overdue, but it is not happening," Indyk said.

    Tony Snow, Bush's press secretary, on Friday dismissed critics who claim the U.S. support for democracy had fostered greater instability in the Middle East.

    "The president never said this would be easy," Snow said in a televised interview.

    "He said it's going to take time. Everybody who wants this kind of egg-timer diplomacy, who thinks, `Okay, these things ought to happen quickly' -- you don't understand human nature E Many times (terrorists) are going to fight to the death. We hope that is not the case in Lebanon."
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    format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano View Post
    nope, that is your point of view ! We prefer DEMOCRACY, and not Sharia.
    If you don't like the way, UK and the rest of Western world is leaded, so why are you still there?
    family but muslims clearly prefer the sharia and [MAD]We dont want a new middle east[/MAD]
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    Re: New Middle East????

    format_quote Originally Posted by Mazed View Post
    family but muslims clearly prefer the sharia and [MAD]We dont want a new middle east[/MAD]
    sure, some do prefer the sharia, but it's wrong to generalize. Many prefer new laws, they discover, there is another way too, but still remaining a good muslim
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    Re: New Middle East????

    format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano View Post
    sure, some do prefer the sharia, but it's wrong to generalize. Many prefer new laws, they discover, there is another way too, but still remaining a good muslim

    peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence guyabano,

    to you as a non-muslim, if someone says they pray, fast, give charity and act nice but just dont want to follow shariah and dont agree with it as a muslim then they might seem good.

    but to us such a person has disbelieved in the message of islam, we cant pick and choose which bits we like and which not like some christians do.

    either this is the law of Allah and his messenger (saws) or it is not, it is that simple.

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    Re: New Middle East????

    format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano View Post
    sure, some do prefer the sharia, but it's wrong to generalize. Many prefer new laws, they discover, there is another way too, but still remaining a good muslim

    sharia is islamic law, if a muslim doesnt like sharia there is a problem with his faith. All true believers in islam think the sharia will make the best state !
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    Re: New Middle East????

    format_quote Originally Posted by HusamLah View Post
    it's happening before our eyes
    Asslamu alaikum sis

    What's happening in front of our eyes?

    You making me paranoid LOL
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    Re: New Middle East????

    format_quote Originally Posted by HusamLah View Post
    we dont want a new middle east does that count for anything?
    as condoleeza rice has said on SKY NEWS:

    "We will have a middle east, for those who dont like it, we will win, get used to it..."
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    Re: New Middle East????

    The Middle East of today is not the middle east it was yesterday and neither is it what it will be tomorrow.

    In my lifetime I have seen country and city names change. Boundries change, alliances with nations change.

    I seen Persia become Iran. Constanople became Istanbul, French Morocco and Spanish Morocco became Morocco. I watched much of North Africa switch alliances from Spain, to France, to Usa, to Germany and Italy, Back to USA, to Saudi Arabia. Etc. I seen prdominetly nomadic people settle down and become city dwellers after thousands of years wandering the Sahara and then Settling in Sudan, Eritrea, and Ethiopia. I seen Saudi Arabia go from isolation from the world to the modern technology of the 20th century.

    Yes, there will be a new Mid-East, The only questions are what countries will be welcome into it.
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    ^ Wise bro !!!


    i just hope its stil a muslim country !!
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    Re: New Middle East????

    format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano View Post
    sure, some do prefer the sharia, but it's wrong to generalize. Many prefer new laws, they discover, there is another way too, but still remaining a good muslim



    do you no that if the sharia was the law in every country in the world today there would no rape and all the other nasty things that go on today the world would be peaceful
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    Re: New Middle East????

    format_quote Originally Posted by searcheroftruth View Post
    do you no that if the sharia was the law in every country in the world today there would no rape and all the other nasty things that go on today the world would be peaceful

    assalaamu alaykum,

    if only this was true!

    remember there were rare isolated cases of rape even under Muhammad (saws) and the rightly guided khalifs!

    but what we can say is that shariah would help such things be minimalised and where they occured they would be punished fairly and according to Allah's law.

    remember shariah isnt just about cutting heads and hands off murderers, rapists and thieves or flogging adulterers and public drunkards but is also about creating justice and eliminating needless poverty.

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