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    I know this is old news but the "new middle east" resolution worries me.

    If theres a new middle east what does that mean? Are they gonna implement there western laws into the middle east? SubhanAllah isnt britain and America bad enuff for now, now they want to make the middle east another Ar-Rum (Britain/Rome). SubhanAllah times are only getting worse!!!




    Rice wants ceasefire that helps forge 'new Middle East' Sheldon Alberts, CanWest News Service

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    WASHINGTON -- U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Friday rejected international calls for an early ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah extremists, saying a quick end to the fighting would only give Lebanese and Israeli civilians the "false promise" of a lasting peace.

    Rice will embark Sunday to the Middle East on an emergency diplomatic mission to open talks aimed at bringing a "sustainable end" to the violence.

    She will meet with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert before heading to Italy for negotiations with the Lebanon "core group," which includes representatives from Egypt, France, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Great Britain, Russia and the Lebanese government.

    The U.S. is "beginning to see the outlines of a political framework" that would require Hezbollah to disarm and include eventual deployment of a "robust" international force to the Lebanese-Israeli border, Rice said.

    "We do seek an end to the current violence, and we seek it urgently," she said.

    But Rice stressed the U.S. Bush administration is not interested in "quick fixes" and said the world is witnessing "the birth pangs of a new Middle East" in the current fighting between Israel and Hezbollah.

    "A ceasefire would be a false promise if it simply returns us to the status quo, allowing terrorists to launch attacks at the time and terms of their choosing," Rice told reporters at a U.S. State Department news conference.

    "I have no interest in diplomacy for the sake of returning Lebanon and Israel to the status quo ante E Whatever we do, we have to be certain that we are pushing forward to the new Middle East, not going back to the old one."

    Rice's remarks came amid fresh criticism from U.S. liberals, who accuse the Bush administration of mishandling the crisis.

    Senator Edward Kennedy called the administration's refusal to seek an immediate halt to the fighting "a disaster" that could lead to further escalation of the violence.

    "We have effectively abdicated our position in that part of the world," Kennedy told Bloomberg television. "Unless the United States is involved and engaged in using its good offices, and trying to find the forces on all sides to advance the cause of peace, we're going to continue to see cycles of violence."

    The U.S. reluctance to seek a speedy ceasefire, however, stems from President George W. Bush's view that Israel's fight against Hezbollah is part of the broader war on terror in the Middle East, and his belief in the need for a democratic transformation in the region.

    The White House maintains that disarming Hezbollah in southern Lebanon will allow the nascent, democratically elected Lebanese government to emerge as a stable and peaceful neighbour of Israel.

    "Those extremists want to strangle (the Lebanese government) in its crib E much as the extremists want to strangle other new democratic governments in the region," Rice said.

    "We are going through a very violent time," she added, but "people need to stand strong now. The time has come, not to just take a temporary solution that is going to fall apart."

    Administration critics, though, say the explosion of violence between Hezbollah and Israel is evidence that U.S. policy in the Middle East is backfiring.

    The White House strongly supported free elections in the region, only to see voters embrace Hamas in the Palestinian Authority and reward Hezbollah with enough political power in Beirut to thwart efforts to rein in its fighters.

    "The Bush administration decided to make Lebanon one of the test cases of transformation and promotion of democracy," said Martin Indyk, a senior fellow in Middle East studies at the Brookings Institution. "The Lebanese got freedom, but they paid in terms of stability."

    At a symposium on Israeli-Hezbollah crisis this week, Indyk said Lebanon's inability to control Hezbollah mirrors the problems facing Iraq's democratically elected government.

    Over the past two months, more than 6,000 Iraqi civilians have died in rampant sectarian violence.

    A reassessment of U.S. policy favouring transformation of the Middle East through regime change and democratization is "long overdue, but it is not happening," Indyk said.

    Tony Snow, Bush's press secretary, on Friday dismissed critics who claim the U.S. support for democracy had fostered greater instability in the Middle East.

    "The president never said this would be easy," Snow said in a televised interview.

    "He said it's going to take time. Everybody who wants this kind of egg-timer diplomacy, who thinks, `Okay, these things ought to happen quickly' -- you don't understand human nature E Many times (terrorists) are going to fight to the death. We hope that is not the case in Lebanon."
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    Re: New Middle East????

    subhanallah the arrogance of the west,

    they are unable to enforce their rule against two tiny insurgencies in iraq and afghanistan and yet now they talk of imposing their will over the whole region?

    they are all talk and bluster, not even bush and blair are this stupid as if they tried to change the whole region to their thinking they would hasten a larger scale war they could not win and hasten the return of the khilafa.

    they plot and Allah plots and Allah is the best of plotters.

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    ^ I didnt think of it that way brother. I was thinking what if those in the middle east like the ways of the British/Americans and give in to luxury. I was worried that middle east might become corrupted but it seems you think that they will fight against the oppressing british and israellis
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    Re: New Middle East????

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazed View Post
    ^ I didnt think of it that way brother. I was thinking what if those in the middle east like the ways of the British/Americans and give in to luxury. I was worried that middle east might become corrupted but it seems you think that they will fight against the oppressing british and israellis
    as Allah states in the Quran, they plot and Allah plots and Allah is the best of plotters.
    even stict secularists like the Journalists for Dawn newspaper in pakistan are writing how great it is to see islam on the rise again.

    this is the man utd syndrome, muslims returning to their deen because of seeing victory of the muslims or at least not a comprehensive defeat like that which faced the arab and other nationalists in the past.

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    Re: New Middle East????

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk View Post
    subhanallah the arrogance of the west,
    How good that you live there in the middle east, and not in UK, where you can have a working Social Security System, a Job, get food just around the corner....right?

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    Re: New Middle East????

    Quote Originally Posted by guyabano View Post
    How good that you live there in the middle east, and not in UK, where you can have a working Social Security System, a Job, get food just around the corner....right?
    thats the problem with the west, you think convenience leisure and pleasure is everything. Theres more to life then that, we want minimal crimes and peace which is ONLY possible under strict enforcement of the sharia!
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    Re: New Middle East????

    as salaamu aalykum,

    I'm sorry!!...but i don't quite get what you mean by the new middle east!!

    new in what way!!...

    sorry akhee

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    Re: New Middle East????

    Quote Originally Posted by amirah_87 View Post
    as salaamu aalykum,


    I'm sorry!!...but i don't quite get what you mean by the new middle east!!
    Condoleeza rice wants lebanon/syria/palestine etc "under new management". This means she wants no more "islamic ruling".

    new in what way!!...
    new unlike the current saudi/yemen/syria etc and very much like britain/america.

    sorry akhee
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    Re: New Middle East????

    wa alaykum as salaam,

    Condoleeza rice wants lebanon/syria/palestine etc "under new management". This means she wants no more "islamic ruling".
    oh: subhanAllah!! ..no more islamic rulings!!... I feel like makin' some duaah against her!!
    "under new management"!!..why's it she has a say on what goes on miles away from her home land
    does she really have that kind of authority?

    jazaakallahu khayr akhee!!

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    Re: New Middle East????

    Any dumb monafiq want to say US, Britain, and Israel have not declared a war against Islam?

    How strange! How strange! By Alláh my heart sinks to see the unity of these
    people on their wrong and your dispersion from your right. Woe and grief befall
    you. You have become the target at which arrows are shot. You are being killed
    and you do not kill. You are being attacked but you do not attack. Alláh is being
    disobeyed and you remain agreeable to it.
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    Re: New Middle East????

    Quote Originally Posted by amirah_87 View Post
    wa alaykum as salaam,



    oh: subhanAllah!! ..no more islamic rulings!!... I feel like makin' some duaah against her!!
    "under new management"!!..why's it she has a say on what goes on miles away from her home land
    does she really have that kind of authority?

    jazaakallahu khayr akhee!!
    the fat women has the support of the Americans and Israelli's because shes U.S. Secretary of State , and seeing as israel has pretty much demolished lebanon theres not much standing in her way... but the muslims just cant let this happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Link View Post
    Any dumb monafiq want to say US, Britain, and Israel have not declared a war against Islam?

    How strange! How strange! By Alláh my heart sinks to see the unity of these
    people on their wrong and your dispersion from your right. Woe and grief befall
    you. You have become the target at which arrows are shot. You are being killed
    and you do not kill. You are being attacked but you do not attack. Alláh is being
    disobeyed and you remain agreeable to it.
    (Imam Ali (as), Nahjul Balagha,Sermon 27)
    brother who is imam Ali and whats Nahjul balagha?
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    Re: New Middle East????

    For those guys still think this is just between hizbollah and Israel, and nothing to do with the taghoot worshipers vs the believers in God's hukim, wake up and smell the flowers!!

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    Re: New Middle East????

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazed View Post
    brother who is imam Ali and whats Nahjul balagha?
    Imam Ali (as) to shias was the Successor of the Prophet (pbuh) and to sunnis, the 4th Caliph, and both sunni and shias acknowledge he was to Mohammad (pbuh) like Harun (as) was to Musa (as) except that he was not a Prophet.

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    aah, Ali Ibn Abi Talib RA
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    the new middle east is nothing but trouble
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    Re: New Middle East????

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazed View Post
    the fat women has the support of the Americans and Israelli's because shes U.S. Secretary of State , and seeing as israel has pretty much demolished lebanon theres not much standing in her way... but the muslims just cant let this happen
    as salaamu alaykum,

    I got disconnected!! :grumbling

    She's a real pain in the rear end though isn't she!! :X

    Allah yahdeehaa

    and both sunni and shias acknowledge he was to Mohammad (pbuh) like Harun (as) was to Musa (as) except that he was not a Prophet.
    d'you have a source for that!!?? a hadeeth etc!!..

    jazaakallahu khayr!
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    Salam

    The Messenger of Allah said to Ali: "Your position to me is like the
    position of Aaron (Haroon) to Moses, except that there shall be no
    Prophet after me"

    Sunni References:
    (1) Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English version, Traditions 5.56, 5.700
    (2) Sahih Muslim, Arabic, v4, pp 1870-71
    (3) Sunan Ibn Majah, p12
    (4) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v1, p174
    (5) al-Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, pp 15-16
    (6) Mushkil al-Athar, by al-Tahawi, v2, p309

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    as salaamu alaykum,

    JazakAllahu khayr, I did not know that!!..

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    Re: New Middle East????

    Quote Originally Posted by Mazed View Post
    thats the problem with the west, you think convenience leisure and pleasure is everything. Theres more to life then that, we want minimal crimes and peace which is ONLY possible under strict enforcement of the sharia!
    nope, that is your point of view ! We prefer DEMOCRACY, and not Sharia.
    If you don't like the way, UK and the rest of Western world is leaded, so why are you still there?


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