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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    If you understand Hebrew than you know that the soldier clearly did not say what the reporter translated him to say.

    Thats ridiculous that they would lie about what someone would say like that.

    Terrible.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    If you understand Hebrew than you know that the soldier clearly did not say what the reporter translated him to say.

    Thats ridiculous that they would lie about what someone would say like that.

    Terrible.
    We don't know Hebrew, perhaps you can translate what he actually said for us.

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by azim View Post
    We don't know Hebrew, perhaps you can translate what he actually said for us.
    He said the he wishes they could leave and he doesn't understand. he also says it is nasty and dirty there, and he is a good jewish boy.
    Last edited by lavikor201; 08-10-2006 at 12:21 AM.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    So in no way, shape or form did he say:

    "I don't know what we're doing here. Purification maybe, its dirty here, I don't know why a good hebrew boy should be here so far from his home".

    Keep in mind that I will be double-checking this.

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Check it out.

    I never heard the word 'purification' in there.

    he spoke about a Hebrew boy, yells, nasty and dirty things, and something about culture.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    Check it out.

    I never heard the word 'purification' in there.

    he spoke about a Hebrew boy, yells, nasty and dirty things, and something about culture.
    So do you not speak Hebrew confidently and fluently enough to give a line by line translation?

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    That's not quite what you said a few minutes ago. Maybe someone could give us a second opinion.

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    I speak hebrew, his speech is in the backround from the voice, and i have a terrible speaker system.


    He does not say the word 'purification' at all.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    I speak hebrew, his speech is in the backround from the voice, and i have a terrible speaker system.


    He does not say the word 'purification' at all.
    What about the subs?

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    The word for purification is 'tihur'

    he does not say 'tihur' at all.

    he says everything else, he does not say they are there for 'purification'

    the word 'tihur' is not in the subs or in the speech that i could hear.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    The word for purification is 'tihur'

    he does not say 'tihur' at all.

    he says everything else, he does not say they are there for 'purification'

    the word 'tihur' is not in the subs or in the speech that i could hear.
    You've changed your position from the earlier posts, but nevermind, I'm just waiting to get a brother I know who speaks fluent hebrew to translate for me.

    PS: On an interesting side not, the word for purification in Arabic is 'tahir', same root in hebrew I'm guessing.
    Last edited by azim; 08-09-2006 at 11:59 PM.

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by azim View Post
    You've changed your position from the earlier posts, but nevermind, I'm just waiting to get a brother I know who speaks fluent hebrew to translate for me.

    PS: On an interesting side not, the word for purification in Arabic is 'tahir', same root in hebrew I'm guessing.

    You can check it all you want.

    The man speaking English makes the soldier say purification which he does not. Making the soldier out to be an ethnic cleanser which he is not.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    You can check it all you want.

    The man speaking English makes the soldier say purification which he does not. Making the soldier out to be an ethnic cleanser which he is not.
    Okay, I'll leave the word 'purification' until I get my second opinion, if the word is in there I'll be sure to tell you where.

    Although you said that the soldier says: -

    He said the he wishes they could leave, and that he does not understand these peoples culture why they yell nasty things about him being a jewish boy.
    Do you still stand by that as well?

    Specifically, do you still claim that he said the people yell 'nasty things about him being a jewish boy'?

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Yes.

    He mentions that he wants to leave this dirty place and doesnt know what he is doing there People yell nasty/dirty things. And about how he is just a good jewish boy.
    Last edited by lavikor201; 08-10-2006 at 12:12 AM.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    Yes.

    He mentions that he wants to leave this dirty place and doesnt know what he is doing there People yell nasty/dirty things. And he is just a good jewish boy.
    What you said above is VERY different from what is said below

    He said the he wishes they could leave, and that he does not understand these peoples culture why they yell nasty things about him being a jewish boy.
    One is just people shouting, the over is anti-semitism.

    You claim he's being unfairly labelled an ethnic-cleanser yet you delibrately labelled the people he interacted with anit-semitic and racist.

    Perhaps I'm being pedantic about semantics but this is exactly what we're talking about anyway.

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    no they never said 'about' him... he said they said and this place was dirty, and then he talks about that he is just a good jewish boy.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    no they never said 'about' him... he said they said and this place was dirty, and then he talks about that he is just a good jewish boy.
    I was quoting you, but I guess we all make mistakes.

    Anyway, I can't believe how active this forum is 1:15am (in the UK anyway).

    Good night bro. I'm off to bed.

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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    The outrage in the story was that they tore through peoples homes and recked damage and never found anything.

    The soldier never spoke about 'purification' in the term of ethnic cleansing.

    I was quoting you, but I guess we all make mistakes.
    i made a mistake before i will edit.
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    Re: What the IDF didn't want us to see

    Quote Originally Posted by Lavikor
    The outrage in the story was that they tore through peoples homes and recked damage and never found anything.

    Is wrecking homes and smashing through walls not something the IDF do regularly? If it's so outrageous to do that, why hasn't it been stopped?

    In the West, delaying an ambulance to a mortally wounded woman would be a scandal, perhaps not in Isreal.


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