× Register Login What's New! Contact us
Page 1 of 2 1 2 Last
Results 1 to 20 of 28 visibility 4039

Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

  1. #1
    ManchesterFolk's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    إنجلترا
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Christianity
    Posts
    593
    Threads
    28
    Rep Power
    109
    Rep Ratio
    6
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Report bad ads?

    Most of the world is ignoring the real catastrophe of the past recent era: the brutal expulsion of some 867,000 Jews from Arab countries, and the seizure, by the Arab governments, of over $13-billion worth of Jewish property and assets.

    Algeria
    During the war for Algerian independence from France in the 1950s and early 1960s, Algerian nationalists carried out violent attacks on Algerian Jews. After the French left, the Algerian authorities issued a variety of anti- Jewish decrees, including the imposition of heavy taxes on the Jewish community. Nearly all of Algeria's 160,000 Jews fled the country. All but one of Algeria's synagogues were seized and turned into mosques.

    Egypt
    The ancient Jewish community of Egypt numbered over 90,000 by the 1940s. Riots by Egyptian nationalists in 1945 claimed many Jewish lives, and synagogues and Jewish buildings were burned down. A new wave of discrimination and violence was unleashed in 1948. Over 250 Jews were killed or injured, Jewish shops were looted, and Jewish assets were frozen. Some 35,000 Jews left Egypt by 1950. Gamal Abdel Nasser, who seized power in 1954, arrested thousands of Jews and confiscated their property. Emigration reduced Egyptian Jewry to just 8,000 by 1957.

    Iraq
    The Jews of Iraq, with roots dating back to ancient Babylonia, numbered about 190,000 in 1947. When Israel was established, Jewish emigration was forbidden, and hundreds of Jews were jailed. Those convicted of "Zionism" --a criminal offense-- were sentenced to internal exile or fines of up to $40,000 each. Tens of thousands of Jews slipped out of the country. Then, in 1950, the government legalized emigration and pressured the Jews to leave; by 1952, only 6,000 remained. Jewish emigrants were permitted to take with them only $140 per adult; all of their remaining assets and property were confiscated by the Iraqi government.

    Libya
    The 2,000 year-old Jewish community of Libya, which numbered almost 60,000 by the 1940s, was the target of mass anti-Jewish violence in November 1945. In Tripoli alone, 120 Jews were massacred, over 500 wounded, 2,000 were made homeless, and synagogues were torched. There were more pogroms in January 1946, with 75 Jews massacred in Zanzur, and more than 100 murdered in other towns. By the early 1950s, more than 40,000 Libyan Jews had emigrated.

    Morocco
    In 1948, there were about 350,000 Jews living in Morocco, a community with ancient roots going back to the time of the destruction of the First Temple (586 BCE). In June 1948, pogromists massacred 39 Jews in the town of Djerada and 4 more in Oujda. Over 50,000 Jews fled Morocco in terror. During the 1950s, there was violence against Jews in Oujda, Rabat, and Casablanca. Most of Moroccan Jewry emigrated during the years to follow.

    Syria
    There were 17,000 Jews in Syria in 1948, a community dating back to biblical times. Anti-Jewish pogroms erupted in the Syrian town of Aleppo in 1947. All of the local synagogues were destroyed, and 7,000 of the town's 10,000 Jews fled in terror. The government then enacted legislation to freeze Jewish bank accounts and confiscate Jewish property. By the 1950s, just 5,000 Jews remained in Syria, subjected to harsh decrees; they were banned from emigrating, selling their property, or working in government offices, and were compelled to carry special cards identifying them as Jews.



    Following is the statistics on the number of Jews in the Arab countries in 1988 as reported by Israeli newspaper "Vesti" (in Russian) 1/4/99.

    Algeria less than 100
    Egypt less than 100
    Iraq 60
    Libya less than 100
    Morocco 7,000
    Syria 100

    "This is hardly the place to describe how the Jews of the Arab States were driven out of the countries in which they lived for hundreds of years, then how they were shamefully deported to Israel after their property had been confiscated or taken over at the lowest possible price.

    "It is plain that Israel will air this issue in the course of any serious negotiations that might be undertaken one day in regard to the rights on the Palestinians.

    "Israel's claims are these: It may perhaps be the case that we Israelis were the cause of the expulsion of some Palestinians, whose number is estimated at 700,000, from their homes during the 1948 War, and afterwards took over their properties. Against this, since 1948, you Arabs have caused the expulsion of just as many Jews from the Arab States, most of whom settled in Israel after their properties had been taken over in one way or another. Actually, therefore, what happened was only a kind of "population and property exchange," and each party must bear the consequences. Israel is absorbing the Jews of Arab States; the Arab States, for their part, must settle the Palestinians in their own midst and solve their problems. There is no doubt that, at the first serious discussion of the Palestinian problem in an international forum, Israel will put these claims forward."

    - Sabri Jiryis, a well known Palestinian Arab researcher in the Institute for Palestinian Studies in Beirut, published in Al-Nahar, Beirut, on May 15, 1975

    Some of the communities in more depth:

    Egypt:

    Approximately 75,000 Jews lived in Egypt in 1948, a community whose origins date back to the Babylonian captivity some 2700 years prior. In the preceding decade, Muslim elements, believing that Hitler would be successful in completing the 'Final Solution' in Europe, carried out almost continuous pogroms against Jewish communities, killing and injuring thousands. The Egyptian Company Law of July 1947 introduced prohibitive quotas against employing Jews, precluded them from most areas of employment, and confiscated many Jewish-owned businesses, properties and other assets. Then, in the days after the passage of the Partition Plan, Muslims in Cairo and Alexandria went on a rampage, murdering, looting houses and burning synagogues. In one seven-day period in 1948, an eyewitness counted 150 Jewish bodies littering the streets.

    During the War of Independence, Egyptian Jews were barred from travelling abroad. In August 1949, Egypt lifted the ban and 20,000 Jews fled the country, many going to Israel. Conditions for Jews improved somewhat under General Naguib, but when General Abdul Nasser rose to power in Egypt, he ordered mass arrests of Jews and confiscated huge quantities of Jewish property, personal and commercial. Nasser issued deportation orders to thousands of Jews, concurrently confiscating all their property and assets. Most of the deportees were limited to one suitcase apiece. In 1964, Nasser boldly declared, in an interview with a German publication, that Egypt still adhered to the Nazi cause: 'Our sympathy,' he said, 'was with the Germans.' With the outbreak of the 1967 Six-Day War, Jews were arrested en masse and sent to concentration camps, where they were tortured, denied water for days and forced to chant anti-Israel slogans. By 1970, Egypt's Jewish population numbered in the mere hundreds.

    Algeria:

    Like other Muslim nations, Algeria possesses a long history of anti-Semitism, legal and popular. The colonization of Algeria by the French in 1830, though, liberated the 2500-year-old Jewish community from much of the humiliation and persecution it had sustained under Islamic rule. But the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany augured a reversion to anti-Semitic activities. In 1934, twenty-five Jews were massacred in Constantine. During the subsequent trial by French authorities, evidence revealed the attack was organized by the city's leading Muslim authorities. When the French Vichy government took power in 1940, it immediately stripped Jews of their French citizenry, banned them from schools and declared them 'pariahs.' Only the Allied landing soon thereafter saved the Jews from mass deportation to European death camps. With the fall of the Vichy regime, more than 148,000 Jews enjoyed the full benefits and affluence of French society. A civil war erupted in Algeria, and as it intensified, thousands of Jews fled the country, mostly for France.

    Algeria achieved independence in 1962, by which time more than 75,000 Jews had departed. State-sanctioned persecution began the following year with the passage of the 1963 Nationality Code, limiting citizenship to those residents whose father and paternal grandfather were Muslim. The new state confiscated or destroyed Jewish private, commercial and communal property and ordered most of the nation's synagogues converted into mosques. Following a flood of anti-Semitic violence in 1965, the majority of the remaining Jewish community of 65,000 departed. Today, the once vigorous Algerian Jewish community numbers a paltry 300.

    Libya:

    Today, no Jews are known to live in the north African nation of Libya. Like Egypt and Algeria, massive pogroms decimated the once-thriving Jewish communities in the 1940s. From 1941-1942, great waves of persecution washed over Libya. Jewish property in Benghazi was pillaged and 2,600 were sent into the desert to a forced labor camp, where 500 perished. On November 5, 1945, a horrendous bloodbath ensued in the Libyan capital of Tripoli. According to New York Times reporter Clifton Daniels: 'Babies were beaten to death with iron bars. Old men were hacked to pieces where they fell. Expectant mothers were disembowelled. Whole families were burned alive in their houses.' Several hundred Jews died in the attack.

    After the approval of the Partition Plan, another 130 Jews were murdered in anti-Semitic rioting. The following year saw another Tripoli-like massacre. In 1948, Libya's Jewish population was 38,000; by 1951 only 8,000 remained. After the Six-Day War, another pogrom erupted, driving all but 400 from the country. On July 21, 1967 Libyan strongman Colonel Qadhafi nationalized all Jewish property, and soon thereafter, all remaining Jews left the country.

    Syria:

    The Syrian Jewish community in 1948 dated to the First Century destruction of Jerusalem, approximately 1900 year earlier. Under Islamic rule, Jews were routinely subject to cruel and inhumane treatment, including forced conversions, routine pogroms and severe commercial and personal restrictions. By early 1947, only 13,000 Jews lived in Syria; 20,000 had fled throughout the course of the previous decade, as Nazi zeal permeated the region and made their lives especially difficult. Immediately after Syria gained independence from France in 1945, vitriolic anti-Semitic propaganda was broadcast on television and radio, inciting the Arab masses to violence. In December 1947, one month after the Partition Plan's acceptance, a pogrom erupted in the Syrian town of Aleppo, torching numerous Jewish properties, including synagogues, schools, orphanages and businesses. Eyewitnesses to the violence noted Syrian firemen and police dispatched to the scene actively participated in the rioting.

    A flurry of anti-Semitic legislation passed in 1948 restricted, among other things, Jewish travel outside of government-approved ghettos, selling private property, acquiring land or changing their place of residence. A decree in 1949 went a step further, seizing all Jewish bank accounts. Under threats of execution, long prison sentences and torture, 10,000 Jews were able to depart between 1948 and 1962. A report published in 1981 indicated Syrian Jews were subject to "the Mukhabarat, the [Syrian] secret police, [who] conduct a reign of terror and intimidation, including searches without warrant, detention without trial, torture and summary execution." Due mainly to US influence in the context of the Madrid peace process, all but about 800 of the Jewish community have fled, most settling in the United States. Syria has confiscated all Jewish property aside from those who remain.

    Yemen:

    The Yemenite Jewish community existed in what historian S.D. Goitein described as the "worst aspect" of the Arab mistreatment of the Jew. Jewish life in Yemen, up to the time of Israel's modern evacuation of the community, contained the harshest elements imaginable under dhimmitude status. Jews could not testify in court, and were regularly murdered, limited to employment in the most demeaning of positions and forced to relinquish their property on demand, to name a very few deprivations. An "age-old" custom of stoning Jews, permissible by Muslim law, was still regularly practiced up to the time the Jews fled Yemen. Conditions for the community were exacerbated by Israel's victory over Arab armies in 1948, making the swift extraction of the community a matter of rescue or extinction. Arab mobs swarmed through Tsan'a and other towns, burning, murdering, raping and looting in the city's Jewish quarters. The region's imam - or religious authority - permitted the Jewish community to leave Yemen, provided they forfeit all property to the state. Israel launched Operation Magic Carpet in 1949, and over the course of one year, successfully airlifted some 50,000 Yemenite Jews - almost the entire ancient community - to Israel.

    Iraq:

    The 135,000 strong Iraqi Jewish community in 1948 traced their origins to the pre-exilic Jewish community of Babylon, 2700 years previous. Anti-Semitic legislation in 1948, declared "Zionism" - a crime accorded to Jews automatically - an offence punishable by a seven-year jail term. Additional legislation barred Jews from government, medicine and education, denied merchants import licenses and closed Jewish banks. The Jewish community faced economic ruin. During Israel's War of Independence, immigration to Israel was declared a capital offense while public Law No. 1, passed in 1950, stripped Jews of their Iraqi nationality. In 1950, Israel launched Operation Ali Baba to extricate the destitute remnant. Iraq, intrigued at the prospect of inheriting large quantities of abandoned Jewish property, allowed the Jews to leave, reassuring emigrants they would receive fair compensation for property and other assets they were forced to abandon. The airlift spirited 123,000 Jews out of the country, with 110,000 choosing to remain in Israel. Despite it's promise, the Iraqi government announced on March 10, 1951 - the day after the deadline for exit registration - that emigrant's property, businesses and bank accounts were forfeit. That same year, Law No. 5 was expanded to include all Jewish holdings in Iraqi banks. By itself, this extension looted $200 million in Jewish assets. By January 1952, as Iraq again closed the doors to Jewish emigration, only 6,000 remained. All remaining Jewish communal property was confiscated in 1958. Today, only 200 Jews remain in Iraq, forced to reside in a Baghdad ghetto.

    source: Middle East Digest - November/December 1999
    Last edited by ManchesterFolk; 09-13-2006 at 02:51 AM.
    chat Quote

  2. Report bad ads?
  3. #2
    north_malaysian's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldskool
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Penang Island, Malaysia
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    8,215
    Threads
    219
    Rep Power
    130
    Rep Ratio
    30
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    ... and Jews are not the only refugees too..... but at least Israel welcomes them...
    Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Assalamualaykum... I am back!!
    chat Quote

  4. #3
    Obi-Wan's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    Full Member
    star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    50
    Threads
    3
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    5
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Morocco
    In 1948, there were about 350,000 Jews living in Morocco, a community with ancient roots going back to the time of the destruction of the First Temple (586 BCE). In June 1948, pogromists massacred 39 Jews in the town of Djerada and 4 more in Oujda. Over 50,000 Jews fled Morocco in terror. During the 1950s, there was violence against Jews in Oujda, Rabat, and Casablanca. Most of Moroccan Jewry emigrated during the years to follow.
    I can't check out all the infomation in the opening post. But this is what I have found out about Morocco on a previous occasion.

    How long did it take for Jews to leave Morocco?
    stats

    Year Number
    1948/49 18,000
    1950 4,980
    1951 7,770
    1952 5,031
    1953 2,996
    1954 8,171
    1955 24,994
    1956 36,301
    1957 8,578
    1958 1,803
    1959 3,325
    1960 4,108
    1961 11,476
    1962 35,748
    1963 36,874

    Total 210,347



    page 3

    Israel’s Six-Day War in 1967 and Muslim solidarity with Arabs panicked many Moroccan Jews. By this time, the remaining Moroccan Jews had adequate resources to emigrate to Canada, Europe, Latin America and the US. They emigrated despite their inability to take most of their savings and assets with them.

    There were 52 deaths in Oujda and Djerrada in June 1948. Regret was voiced by the Moroccan authorities. The Pacha of Oujda met with the family of every victim.


    Jewish exodus from Morocco

    During 1947 and 1948, France banned emigration to Israel. In mid-1948, the Israeli Hagana organized a secret emigration network through Algeria and Marseilles. After the reputed French-instigated June 1948 riots against Jews in Eastern Morocco, the Jewish Agency and the French Government agreed to create a transit camp on the Atlantic Coast.

    [...] After 1951, a variety of Zionist and non-Zionist movements turned their attention to Moroccan Jews, providing assistance, Hebrew education and training that facilitated emigration. Kibbutzim, moshavim, a variety of Israeli political parties, Israeli governmental departments, the Jewish Agency, the Jewish scouts of France, and American Jewish organizations including the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, Ozar Hatorah, and the Lubavitch all established themselves in Morocco.

    In the early 1950’s, Israel was very selective of its immigrants from Morocco, despite the interest of Moroccan Jewish leaders in encouraging emigration. The elderly and the mentally disturbed were left off the lists in favor of those who were healthy and in their working years.

    [...]To pick up the pace, Zionist recruiters prevailed on the Marrakesh Jewish leaders to deliver the required number of emigrants. The Jewish leaders in Marrakesh called for the mass evacuation of Jews throughout the South, regardless of the actual economic, social and political conditions in their communities. While they believed that the residents of these communities should emigrate to Israel, they themselves waited until the 1970’s and 80’s to emigrate to France or Canada.

    While most Zionist recruiters were inspired by the ideals of creating a Jewish homeland, some of them felt it was necessary to provoke communities into fleeing by creating a climate of fear and spreading rumors about anti-Semitic incidents. Rumors were spread about unconfirmed cases of rape, kidnapping and forced conversions of Jewish children. Such actions may have been inspired by Israeli President Ben Gurion, who called immigrants from Arab countries "human dust lacking language, education, roots, tradition or national dreams." (Quoted in T. Herzl, L’Etat des juifs, Paris, la Decouverte, 1990, p. 42.)
    Most of those who left Morocco sound like emigrants rather than refugees. They were helped and encouraged out by Zionist organisations.

    How much of the rest of the opening post is inaccurate?
    chat Quote

  5. #4
    Obi-Wan's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    Full Member
    star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    50
    Threads
    3
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    5
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    My source seems to be down at the moment.

    But google confirms it exists. google for rickgold link

    And here is the google cache for the stats page:
    stats
    chat Quote

  6. Report bad ads?
  7. #5
    Obi-Wan's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    Full Member
    star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    50
    Threads
    3
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    5
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Don't know what happened there...
    The original links are working now!

    I suppose it was some sort of update.
    chat Quote

  8. #6
    therebbe's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    New York
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    596
    Threads
    26
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    10
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Libya
    The 2,000 year-old Jewish community of Libya, which numbered almost 60,000 by the 1940s, was the target of mass anti-Jewish violence in November 1945. In Tripoli alone, 120 Jews were massacred, over 500 wounded, 2,000 were made homeless, and synagogues were torched. There were more pogroms in January 1946, with 75 Jews massacred in Zanzur, and more than 100 murdered in other towns. By the early 1950s, more than 40,000 Libyan Jews had emigrated.
    That is pretty sad. I never knew Jews lived in Libya.

    format_quote Originally Posted by Obi-Wan View Post
    Most of those who left Morocco sound like emigrants rather than refugees. They were helped and encouraged out by Zionist organisations.
    Why on earth would Moroccan Jews leave? I mean, everything is fine now right? The violence against Jews is long history, and the Jews who stayed are fine right????

    Your source:
    The May 16 attacks on the Jewish community sowed fear throughout Morocco. In September 2003, two Jewish men were killed in separate incidents in three days. Nothing like these incidents have occurred in Morocco for many years. While Government and Jewish leaders have done their best to calm the situation, some Moroccan Jews are quietly making plans to emigrate. Here are some links to articles on these incidents:
    Slaying of Jewish merchant shocks Muslim Morocco's Small Jewish Community
    Slaying of Jewish merchant shocks Muslim Morocco
    Associated Press Worldstream

    Islamists target Morocco's Jews
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,1042072,00.html
    The Guardian

    Moroccan Jew killed, terror pattern doubted
    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1364600.htm
    Alert Net (Reuters)

    King reassures Moroccan Jews after two Jews are killed in kingdom
    http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.asp?intarticleid=13197&intcategory id=2
    Jewish Telegraph Agency


    Second Moroccan Jew ''murdered'' within 48 hours
    http://www.albawaba.com/headlines/TheNews.php3?action=story&sid=258404&lang=e&dir=Ne ws
    Albawaba

    Elderly Jewish Man Stabbed to Death in Northern Morocco
    http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/339744.html
    Haaretz Daily
    Last edited by therebbe; 09-13-2006 at 09:49 PM.
    chat Quote

  9. #7
    lavikor201's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldtimer
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Haifa, Israel
    Posts
    1,068
    Threads
    40
    Rep Power
    110
    Rep Ratio
    9
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    So much intolerance towards another people!!!! :rant:
    Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    wwwislamicboardcom - Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees
    chat Quote

  10. #8
    MGA's Avatar
    brightness_1
    Account Disabled
    star_rate
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    3
    Threads
    0
    Rep Power
    0
    Rep Ratio
    2
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Obi-Wan is right. Manchester, from where did you copy ans paste your inaccurate post?
    chat Quote

  11. #9
    Obi-Wan's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    Full Member
    star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    50
    Threads
    3
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    5
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    therebbe,
    your article
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/st...042072,00.html
    Serge Berdugo, general secretary of Morocco's Jewish association, said: "These are all acts of terrorism aimed against us, and through us against all Morocco."
    I think he says it better than I could.

    And if we're digging up attacks, we can both play the game.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Natan_Zada

    Eden Natan-Zada (c. 1985 – August 4, 2005) was an AWOL Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldier who opened fire in a bus in the northern Israeli town of Shfar'am on August 4, 2005, killing two Christian and two Muslim Israeli Arab civilians and wounding twenty-two others. He was restrained, disarmed and cuffed when he tried to reload to prepare for another round of shooting [1]. A video released later shows him being beaten to death by the crowd [2][3] immediately after, while he was still on the bus. The shooting appeared to be in protest of the Israeli government's disengagement plan based on the orange ribbon attached to his pocket. (Orange is the color of anti-disengagement activists).
    And Sharon made pretty much the same observation as the Moroccan I quoted above. The attack was an attack upon all Israelis.

    http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=26313

    "This was a reprehensible act by a bloodthirsty Jewish terrorist who sought to attack innocent Israeli citizens. This terrorist event was a deliberate attempt to harm the fabric of relations among all Israeli citizens.
    chat Quote

  12. Report bad ads?
  13. #10
    lavikor201's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldtimer
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Haifa, Israel
    Posts
    1,068
    Threads
    40
    Rep Power
    110
    Rep Ratio
    9
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Nowhere in the post does it say the pogroms and massacres are state sponsered like in some other countries. Yet, just because the government of Morroco was not sponsering these acts of hate, I do not blame Jews for leaving an area that is hostile, and does not accept them.
    Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    wwwislamicboardcom - Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees
    chat Quote

  14. #11
    ManchesterFolk's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    إنجلترا
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Christianity
    Posts
    593
    Threads
    28
    Rep Power
    109
    Rep Ratio
    6
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    format_quote Originally Posted by lavikor201 View Post
    Nowhere in the post does it say the pogroms and massacres are state sponsered like in some other countries. Yet, just because the government of Morroco was not sponsering these acts of hate, I do not blame Jews for leaving an area that is hostile, and does not accept them.
    Exactly. I was waiting for someone to point that out.
    chat Quote

  15. #12
    Vishnu's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    Full Member
    star_rate
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    India
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    257
    Threads
    13
    Rep Power
    0
    Rep Ratio
    -0
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    The 135,000 strong Iraqi Jewish community in 1948 traced their origins to the pre-exilic Jewish community of Babylon, 2700 years previous. Anti-Semitic legislation in 1948, declared "Zionism" - a crime accorded to Jews automatically - an offence punishable by a seven-year jail term. Additional legislation barred Jews from government, medicine and education, denied merchants import licenses and closed Jewish banks. The Jewish community faced economic ruin. During Israel's War of Independence, immigration to Israel was declared a capital offense while public Law No. 1, passed in 1950, stripped Jews of their Iraqi nationality. In 1950, Israel launched Operation Ali Baba to extricate the destitute remnant. Iraq, intrigued at the prospect of inheriting large quantities of abandoned Jewish property, allowed the Jews to leave, reassuring emigrants they would receive fair compensation for property and other assets they were forced to abandon. The airlift spirited 123,000 Jews out of the country, with 110,000 choosing to remain in Israel. Despite it's promise, the Iraqi government announced on March 10, 1951 - the day after the deadline for exit registration - that emigrant's property, businesses and bank accounts were forfeit. That same year, Law No. 5 was expanded to include all Jewish holdings in Iraqi banks. By itself, this extension looted $200 million in Jewish assets. By January 1952, as Iraq again closed the doors to Jewish emigration, only 6,000 remained. All remaining Jewish communal property was confiscated in 1958. Today, only 200 Jews remain in Iraq, forced to reside in a Baghdad ghetto.
    There were 135,000 Jews in Iraq? Amd after these massacres only 200 remain.
    chat Quote

  16. #13
    therebbe's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    New York
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    596
    Threads
    26
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    10
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Amd after these massacres only 200 remain
    Not only that, but they have no freedoms and are given little oppurtunity because of regulations on what jobs they can hold.
    chat Quote

  17. #14
    Curaezipirid's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    born Armidale 1968
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    864
    Threads
    41
    Rep Power
    109
    Rep Ratio
    12
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Alaikumassalam,

    Truly not all refugees are Palestinian, that is a readily calculable fact, neither is any one group any more or less represented except that group of persons whom will accept their full individual account alone with God. Jews and Muslims and Christians whom are experiencing becoming refugees or exiles are mainly in this category. In that even to identify themselves as a refugee they tend to be those persons most able to conceptualise their individual responsibliy of Hajj to the land that sustains their Faith in Allah.

    Consider this: in the dentention centres for refugees in Australia; within which there has been successful legal action taken against the Australian Goverment's security, for exposing children to what is evidenced as psychological abuse; it is that many of the refugees have been persons whose Faith is sustained within the long now sustained teaching tradition of John the Baptist. Surely these persons are categorised best as Jews, yet also Christian, and also Muslim, and that they are of a belief structure which could be enabled to impart Islam successfully to the indigenous population of Australia, is in part why they have been detained and have found it more difficult to be accepted by the Australian Government as refugees.

    There is no point in identifying yourselves with the oppression of others of your own Religion, no person gains ever from the oppression of those with whom they Pray!

    In God as is taught in Hebrew as well as in Arabic, we are taught that the most difficult of all sacrifices is to sacrifice our own suffering. Let it be to the dignity of all refugees whom have not cried out that they counted not upon being acquitted in reparations for their suffering.

    Wasalam.
    Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Within the Realm of King Solomon
    Who could have known I was home grown
    An accuser's false allegation
    Did warrant only my Nation
    in apology for inconveniences
    its shaytan leeches
    who accuse
    my unconscious sleep
    of accusing you too cheep
    I will be selling for five times three
    centsiblity
    chat Quote

  18. Report bad ads?
  19. #15
    therebbe's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    New York
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    596
    Threads
    26
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    10
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    which could be enabled to impart Islam successfully to the indigenous population of Australia, is in part why they have been detained and have found it more difficult to be accepted by the Australian Government as refugees.
    Have any proof to back this claim up, like statistics to back your claims, not an Imam's opinion.
    chat Quote

  20. #16
    Curaezipirid's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    born Armidale 1968
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    864
    Threads
    41
    Rep Power
    109
    Rep Ratio
    12
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Assalamalaikum,

    Well, yes, I have, now. There is also the fact that any self decent Imam is ever careful not to express opinion, and rely only upon fact. In that line of work the necessity is of essence undeniable.

    But let me just relate a story: it was told to be by a person with the same exact regard for what I have reported as is expressed in opinion.

    There was a statistician whom was diagnosed with a rare disease. Upon looking the disease up in the internet he found that there is a 100% fatality rate. Eventually he was cured, but not until after curing himself of believing in statistics.

    However there is a mass of empirical evidence that includes that portion of evidence about the extent to which the evidence is being hidden from the popular veiw. For example that any psychiatrist who wants insurance can not let a patient manifest both an Aboriginal identity and a Muslim identity; that is within legal documents. The usually, in fact, on a strictly one to one basis, commend such belief as well managed sanity. In Imam, Wasalam.
    Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Within the Realm of King Solomon
    Who could have known I was home grown
    An accuser's false allegation
    Did warrant only my Nation
    in apology for inconveniences
    its shaytan leeches
    who accuse
    my unconscious sleep
    of accusing you too cheep
    I will be selling for five times three
    centsiblity
    chat Quote

  21. #17
    therebbe's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    New York
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    596
    Threads
    26
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    10
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Well, yes, I have, now. There is also the fact that any self decent Imam is ever careful not to express opinion, and rely only upon fact. In that line of work the necessity is of essence undeniable.
    Well then I would like to see the Imam's proof.
    chat Quote

  22. #18
    ManchesterFolk's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    إنجلترا
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Christianity
    Posts
    593
    Threads
    28
    Rep Power
    109
    Rep Ratio
    6
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Syria:

    The Syrian Jewish community in 1948 dated to the First Century destruction of Jerusalem, approximately 1900 year earlier. Under Islamic rule, Jews were routinely subject to cruel and inhumane treatment, including forced conversions, routine pogroms and severe commercial and personal restrictions. By early 1947, only 13,000 Jews lived in Syria; 20,000 had fled throughout the course of the previous decade, as Nazi zeal permeated the region and made their lives especially difficult. Immediately after Syria gained independence from France in 1945, vitriolic anti-Semitic propaganda was broadcast on television and radio, inciting the Arab masses to violence. In December 1947, one month after the Partition Plan's acceptance, a pogrom erupted in the Syrian town of Aleppo, torching numerous Jewish properties, including synagogues, schools, orphanages and businesses. Eyewitnesses to the violence noted Syrian firemen and police dispatched to the scene actively participated in the rioting.

    A flurry of anti-Semitic legislation passed in 1948 restricted, among other things, Jewish travel outside of government-approved ghettos, selling private property, acquiring land or changing their place of residence. A decree in 1949 went a step further, seizing all Jewish bank accounts. Under threats of execution, long prison sentences and torture, 10,000 Jews were able to depart between 1948 and 1962. A report published in 1981 indicated Syrian Jews were subject to "the Mukhabarat, the [Syrian] secret police, [who] conduct a reign of terror and intimidation, including searches without warrant, detention without trial, torture and summary execution." Due mainly to US influence in the context of the Madrid peace process, all but about 800 of the Jewish community have fled, most settling in the United States. Syria has confiscated all Jewish property aside from those who remain.
    Absolutly disgusting. Yet they have the nerve to be so hypocritical to even mention another countries refugees, when they created such problems in their own country.
    chat Quote

  23. #19
    Obi-Wan's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    Full Member
    star_rate
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    50
    Threads
    3
    Rep Power
    108
    Rep Ratio
    5
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    MFolk
    Your source was wrong regarding Morocco. I doubt your sources on other nations, too. At least until you address the points I raised regarding Morocco.
    chat Quote

  24. Report bad ads?
  25. #20
    Curaezipirid's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    born Armidale 1968
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    864
    Threads
    41
    Rep Power
    109
    Rep Ratio
    12
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Alaikumassalam,

    well, in general, is it not the the situation of any refugee is only ever able to be a little prickly for those whom must accomodate unless they are aware of the pillar of Faith of need to give Alms . . .

    . . . wasalam
    Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees

    Within the Realm of King Solomon
    Who could have known I was home grown
    An accuser's false allegation
    Did warrant only my Nation
    in apology for inconveniences
    its shaytan leeches
    who accuse
    my unconscious sleep
    of accusing you too cheep
    I will be selling for five times three
    centsiblity
    chat Quote


  26. Hide
Page 1 of 2 1 2 Last
Hey there! Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, we remember exactly what you've read, so you always come right back where you left off. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and share your thoughts. Unknown, unmentioned refugees. The Palestinians aren't the only refugees
Sign Up

Similar Threads

  1. Immigrants / refugees
    By JohnnyEnglish in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 86
    Last Post: 09-29-2015, 02:56 PM
  2. question about refugees?
    By Ummu Sufyaan in forum General
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 07-31-2009, 08:25 PM
  3. Palestinian refugees in Lebanon can not work
    By wilberhum in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 10-11-2006, 04:32 AM
  4. Refugees Silent Victims of War on Terror: UN
    By sonz in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 04-20-2006, 10:08 AM
  5. The lot of refugees is unenviable
    By DaSangarTalib in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 03-14-2006, 04:10 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
create